So, you think this memo thing has legs?

[BobBalouski]

He lied about getting a blowjob. Mueller is investigating high treason.

Corporal Butthurt has to be so proud of a prized wannabe student like you.

 

[Hypoxia]

Corporal Butthurt has to be so proud of a prized wannabe student like you.

You haven't established that the Clintons are crooks. Tromp's criminality is already established. We'll see about his ownership by Russians. Does your butt hurt? Try Tiger Balm!

 

[about_average]

There's "evidence" that hasn't leaked? Evidence of what, exactly?

I'm not the one who made the claim that I'd seen everything in Mueller's possession, which is the only way anyone could know. Otherwise it's just another bullshit "no evidence" claim by the clueless.

Democrats who have asked to see the evidence have reported that there isn't any "at this time."

Cite please.

Maybe Mueller correctly guages that Democrats cannot be trusted with confidential matters.

Or maybe he knows how to conduct an investigation, unlike Nunes not knowing how to perform intelligence oversight.

 

[bellisarius]

the intention behind the memo:

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal doctrine according to which any secondary evidence obtained indirectly through illicit means is inadmissible in court.

Examples of such sources include evidence gained through eavesdropping, illegal wiretapping, coercive interrogations, unwarranted searches, or improperly conducted arrests. Information obtained from those sources is inadmissible according to the law of exclusion. The fruit of a poisonous tree doctrine is an extension to that law.

Here's one possible scenario: If an illegally conducted electronic discovery (e-discovery) search yields information about corporate espionage, that information cannot be presented as evidence in court, according to the law of exclusion. If other information learned through the search leads investigators to search a public location, where they uncover evidence of another crime, the doctrine of the poisonous tree disqualifies that evidence for presentation in any legal action.

Both the law of exclusion and the fruit of a poisonous tree doctrine were created to discourage law enforcement officials from using illegal activities in efforts to obtain evidence.

You may note that your post has largely gone unnoticed. If you're wondering why, it's because it doesn't fit the 'talking points' premise.

 

[Rightguide]

the intention behind the memo:

Fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal doctrine according to which any secondary evidence obtained indirectly through illicit means is inadmissible in court.

Examples of such sources include evidence gained through eavesdropping, illegal wiretapping, coercive interrogations, unwarranted searches, or improperly conducted arrests. Information obtained from those sources is inadmissible according to the law of exclusion. The fruit of a poisonous tree doctrine is an extension to that law.

Here's one possible scenario: If an illegally conducted electronic discovery (e-discovery) search yields information about corporate espionage, that information cannot be presented as evidence in court, according to the law of exclusion. If other information learned through the search leads investigators to search a public location, where they uncover evidence of another crime, the doctrine of the poisonous tree disqualifies that evidence for presentation in any legal action.

Both the law of exclusion and the fruit of a poisonous tree doctrine were created to discourage law enforcement officials from using illegal activities in efforts to obtain evidence.

Here's another doctrine of sorts called Wood's Procedures:

Nunes memo raises question: Did FBI violate Woods Procedures?

BY SHARYL ATTKISSON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 02/04/18 01:05 PM EST

For all the debate over the House Republican memo pointing to alleged misconduct by some current and former FBI and Justice Department officials, one crucial point hasn’t gotten the attention it deserves.

And it relates in an unexpected way to special counsel Robert Mueller.

The point is: There are strict rules requiring that each and every fact presented in an FBI request to electronically spy on a U.S. citizen be extreme-vetted for accuracy — and presented to the court only if verified

There’s no dispute that at least some, if not a great deal, of information in the anti-Trump “Steele dossier” was unverified or false. Former FBI director James Comey testified as much himself before a Senate committee in June 2017. Comey repeatedly referred to “salacious” and “unverified” material in the dossier, which turned out to be paid political opposition research against Donald Trump funded first by Republicans, then by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Presentation of any such unverified material to the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to justify a wiretap would appear to violate crucial procedural rules, called “Woods Procedures,” designed to protect U.S. citizens.

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...ses-question-did-fbi-violate-woods-procedures

 

[richard_daily]

Well now, you pitiful pair of suppurating pussy lips, it may be, but that doesn't change the fact that Lt. Col Tony Shaffer is a real person who did, in fact, make that prediction. So, do slap a Maxi Pad over your leaking lips and save yourself the embarrassment.

Vetteman bringing out the school yard sexism. Classy.

 

[HisArpy]

Trump paid off a stripper that he was fucking while his wife was carrying and delivering one of his offspring. He's the president. But let's not think about that, we've got the clintons to worry about.


The gop cocksucks really are pathetic.

Let's see, an ordinary citizen, who is not the President, who ALLEGEDLY had an affair while his wife was pregnant is automatically disqualified from becoming President?

On the basis of what exactly? Morality? I can hear the hue and cry now;

"OMG! LOOK! at that, that Republican! He's spying on the people who walk by on the street! He's misogynistic too! He complimented one woman on her SHOES! Evil, evil, evil! We need a Democrat to take his place because he's MENTALLY AND MORALLY UNFIT to hold office!"

Meanwhile the sexual allegations purge seems to be hitting the Dem's hard.

 

[rae121452]

You may note that your post has largely gone unnoticed. If you're wondering why, it's because it doesn't fit the 'talking points' premise.

i just assumed that it was because no one was intelligent enough on here to understand what's going on.

 

[OldJourno]

Q: If Obama's policies were such a success, how did Hillary lose? Shee-it, you think anyone would care about some totally made-up dossier Hillary and the DNC spent millions on if she had won? And she would have if she had been at least a little bit likeable.
Now it seems like the media is busy avoiding her name. Not saying Hillary is going to be there at the finish line, wondering whose dick she's going to have to suck in order to stay out of jail, but this memo thing looks like the real deal.
Yeah, I think it has legs.

 

[Hypoxia]

Q: If Obama's policies were such a success, how did Hillary lose?

You know quite well why. An electoral college that rewards losers and makes most voters irrelevant. (Why aren't all states 'battlegrounds'?) Comey's last-minute sabotage. Tromp playing the media and vice-versa. Yes, Hillary won the vote but lost the game. Tromp's 'win' sure is going nicely, hey?

but this memo thing looks like the real deal.
Yeah, I think it has legs.

Most Gups and even the White House aren't standing behind it. Legs? It chopped itself off at the knees.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Clueless as to the reasons for the Electoral College? Without it, only high-population states would determine elections and smaller, low-population states would never see a national politician nor have any say in the national governance thanks to the pernicious evil that is the 17th Amendment, which really should be repealed along with the 16th, and most certainly the 19th!

​

 

[about_average]

Too funny

Officials familiar with the matter told The Washington Post and The New York Times that the DOJ made it clear to the court that information contained in a dossier they submitted as part of a FISA application to surveil Page was politically motivated.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nunes-memo-fisa-court-steele-dossier-argument-debunked-2018-2

Looks like the biggest argument the trump kool-aid drinkers are making is about to collapse.

But then, partisan Nunes never read the underlying material so it's not surprising his memo is mostly BS.

But the whole argument was idiotic. Apparently republicans don't want law enforcement to ever use paid informants anymore.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Trey Gowdy read them for him. Gowdy is no slouch. Once again, we get the anonymous sources from two papers dedicated to destroying Trump. I think I'll sit back and wait for the investigations to unfold and lay out more than memos.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Victor Davis Hanson: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456134/fisagate-boomerangs-democrats-hillary-obama

 

[DawnODay]

Not getting indicted is a policy goal?

Indicted for what?

 

[bellisarius]

Victor Davis Hanson: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456134/fisagate-boomerangs-democrats-hillary-obama

Good read.

The trail of bread crumbs is starting to lead back to another Clinton crony, Sidney Blumenthal. That thread has been picked up by the Senate investigation.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Democrats are getting what they wished for when they were confident that they had Trump firmly in the crosshairs of the deep state.

 

[about_average]

Trey Gowdy read them for him. Gowdy is no slouch. Once again, we get the anonymous sources from two papers dedicated to destroying Trump. I think I'll sit back and wait for the investigations to unfold and lay out more than memos.

Would that be the same Trey Gowdy who said

"Not to me, it (the memo) doesn't (have any impact on the russia probe) — and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it," Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor, said. "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier."

That said, it doesn't change the fact Nunes claims ownership of a document based on information he hasn't read.

There's absolutely no way I'd put my name on something like that when I haven't haven't read the underlying information.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Democrats are getting what they wished for when they were confident that they had Trump firmly in the crosshairs of the deep state.

Wait, what did they wish for, again?

I don't think that was it, dude.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Probe <> False FISA request
You are conflating separate issues.

 

[about_average]

Probe <> False FISA request
You are conflating separate issues.

What "false" FISA request would that be?

 

[RobDownSouth]

I see that the usual suspects are still trying to desperately spin this as a Democratic party scandal.

....and getting less traction than a Queerbait pronouncement.
SAD.

 

[WoundedKnee]

The one that McCabe said under oath that they could not have acquired without the Steele dossier, something that Mueller is probably not looking into.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Probe <> False FISA request
You are conflating separate issues.

Okay, then. What's the "deep state?"

Who is the "deep state?"

Sounds like some Tom Clancy shit left on the cutting room floor for all the romantics.

 

[about_average]

The one that McCabe said under oath that they could not have acquired without the Steele dossier, something that Mueller is probably not looking into.

That doesn't make it a "false FISA", but in any case, please link to his testimony.
And i don't mean a link to Nunes's claim that he testified to that, since others say otherwise.