Neo-Fascist Terrorism under Trump

[Carnal_Flower]

This is so creepy.

Suspects in five killings reportedly linked to macabre neo-Nazi group

Earlier this month, when the body of California college student*Blaze Bernstein was pulled from the loose dirt of a public park in the Orange County foothills, questions swirled about a motive. He was stabbed 20 times.

The 19-year-old University of Pennsylvania sophomore was gay and Jewish, and local law enforcement announced they were investigating whether Bernstein’s death was a hate crime. The arrest of Samuel Woodward, a 20-year-old former high school classmate of Bernstein’s, only intensified the speculation.

Last Friday,*ProPublica published a piece linking Woodward to*Atomwaffen Division, a relatively new Charles Manson-obsessed neo-Nazi outfit that defines itself as a “revolutionary national socialist organization centered around political activism and the practice of an autonomous fascist lifestyle.”

Quoting three sources with knowledge of Woodward’s recent past, the investigative news site reported Woodward joined the hate group in 2016 and attended a three-day training camp with other members in Texas. Pictures from the event captured Atomwaffen Division members in skull masks, making Nazi salutes

 

[JawnKarTurr]

Damn socialist thugs.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Here's more on the case. The suspect is certainly a thuggish looking guy, but I don't know how much evidence there is against him. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/2...oxnews/national+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)

But I sort of doubt that there is any connection to Trump.

 

[Hypoxia]

But I sort of doubt that there is any connection to Trump.

Some will claim that Tromp's enabling of intolerance has created a national atmosphere more prone to hate crimes. True or not, I dunno; not my realm of expertise. Are the hateful more emboldened? Is public expression of hate more acceptable?

I doubt those can be measured, but this can: Are more hate crimes being reported?

No, there's no direct link to Tromp. No, Tromp didn't provoke the perp to kill the guy who kissed him, if that's what happened. Not a planned attack. Not bombing a synagogue, mosque, clinic. Only another crime of passion, another dead faggot. Nothing to see here.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Why is your first instinct always to shield violent thugs?

The police arrested him and charged him with murder. One presumes they had good reason to do so. Here's more.

Newport Beach man charged with murder in stabbing death of former classmate Blaze Bernstein

During the morning news conference, Rackauckas said "old-fashioned detective work" and DNA evidence played a role in Woodward's arrest.

Detectives linked Woodward to the slaying through DNA evidence at Borrego Park and inside his car, authorities said.

Authorities said they identified "inconsistencies" in Woodward's story and watched him for several days before he was arrested Friday while leaving his house.

Authorities wrote in a search warrant affidavit, obtained by the Orange County Register, that Woodward could not provide the last name or address of a girlfriend he said he visited after dropping off Bernstein.

Investigators also noticed scratches on Woodward's arms and dirt under his fingernails. When authorities asked, Woodward said the abrasions were from a fight club he participated in and that his nails were dirty because he fell into a "dirt puddle" during sparring, according to the report

Did Trump personally have anything to do with this? No.

Is Trump, like this guy, a symptom of the fascism taking hold in this county? Yes.

Here's more on the case. The suspect is certainly a thuggish looking guy, but I don't know how much evidence there is against him. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/2...oxnews/national+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)

But I sort of doubt that there is any connection to Trump.

 

[Hosebloke]

Don’t know this case but in Europe all the countries that have a high influx of migrants there is an increase in far right crimes. The crime rate for migrants has also gone up. Poland has seen a reduction in such crimes as they don’t accept mass migration.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Except in this country it's mostly imaginary, drummed up to scapegoat and scare people and gain political power. In fact, we're NOT receiving more migrants, immigrants legal or illegal. It's all been going down. The current "anti-immigration" of this country is nothing but a pure expression of racism and the kind of "nativism" and "nationalism" that can lead to fascism.

Don’t know this case but in Europe all the countries that have a high influx of migrants there is an increase in far right crimes. The crime rate for migrants has also gone up. Poland has seen a reduction in such crimes as they don’t accept mass migration.

 

[Hosebloke]

In my opinion the USA will never become a fascist country. You had national socialist camps around the states when nazi Germany was in full flow and they soon disappeared so I can’t see it happening any time soon. In Europe they are feeding the far right and it’s growing with the migrant intakes. I feel Merkels legacy will be of hate crimes and rapes for years to come.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Why is your first instinct always to shield violent thugs?

The police arrested him and charged him with murder. One presumes they had good reason to do so. Here's more.

Newport Beach man charged with murder in stabbing death of former classmate Blaze Bernstein




Did Trump personally have anything to do with this? No.

Is Trump, like this guy, a symptom of the fascism taking hold in this county? Yes.

I don't honestly believe any extreme political movement is "taking hold" in the USA. There have always been some fascists, even before the word was even in the language. Some of the Founding Fathers, even some early presidents, would have been called that if the word had been coined back then. However, for many years, Americans have been too individualistic to embrace a system which would make them subservient to the State.

ETA: And I'm not defending anyone. If the guy did it, prove it, convict him and hang him. Otherwise, let him go.

 

[coati]

I don't honestly believe any extreme political movement is "taking hold" in the USA.

You are obviously in deep denial.

If Rosenstein and Mueller are fired, the coup will be obvious to everyone except right wing deniers like you.

The Repugican Party is now officially a train wreck, and they are taking everyone along for their next crash. It's not just the fault of the Stable Genius. He just happens to be the genie who emerged from the bottle full of Fox News Kool Aide that had been fermenting for a long time.

Democracy in America is on the ropes.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101

I don't honestly believe any extreme political movement is "taking hold" in the USA. There have always been some fascists, even before the word was even in the language. Some of the Founding Fathers, even some early presidents, would have been called that if the word had been coined back then. However, for many years, Americans have been too individualistic to embrace a system which would make them subservient to the State.

You are obviously in deep denial.

If Rosenstein and Mueller are fired, the coup will be obvious to everyone except right wing deniers like you.

The Repugican Party is now officially a train wreck, and they are taking everyone along for their next crash. It's not just the fault of the Stable Genius. He just happens to be the genie who emerged from the bottle full of Fox News Kool Aide that had been fermenting for a long time.

Democracy in America is on the ropes.

I included my whole comment because I don't like being quoted out of context. I readily concede there have been some extremist political movements which have had a substantial amount of clout. For instance, there were the Communist Party in the first half of the Twentieth Century, the KKK in the American South when Democrats were in control there, the Original Black Panthers in the 1960's, Nazis in the 1930's, and occasionally smaller groups. Currently, we have Antifa and Black Lives Matter who are allowed to get away with their depredations, but who are actually little more than cowardly vandals and bullies and murderers. Then there are small organizations, such as Al Qaeda and associated extremists, but they have a very limited appeal.

And of course, there are smaller groups. The KKK and the American Nazi Party and the Communist Party don't amount to much any more, but they can still hold rallies and otherwise be nuisances. And, of course, there are criminal conspiracies, such as the Mafia, but they aren't really what I would call political.

As far as I can see, Democracy is much tougher and more flexible than you realize.