Rock and a hard place (social risk)

fulvius

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I'm curious to hear people's ideas on this:

It seems to me that our society's view of sex gives rise to both genders being "stuck between a rock and a hard place" when it comes to finding sexual satisfaction. This is more true for people with a particularly strong sex drive.

Proverbially, the "rock" is our society's demand for discretion, appropriateness and dignity -- and the "hard place" is our animal lust. We're taught about this from the time we're really young: "keep your hands to yourself," we are taught, and "don't touch someone in the no-no places." I even remember seeing little charts for boys and girls with the "no-no places" of female breasts, both genders' genitals, and the ass being the no-no places in question. At the time, I found it kind of strange and curious. I hadn't yet matured sexually so I didn't understand that those were, ironically, the very best of places to touch and be touched...

As I grew up, I think I took the lesson a bit too far, and in my psyche, I cast any sexually aggressive male I encountered in an unfavorable emotional light. I was also jealous of these "players" because their disrespectful sexual aggression always seemed to result in more attention and companionship from the fairer sex... So, as a male, I'm now irrationally afraid of what I call "harrasser shaming" where a man is looked down upon as being disrespectful towards women because he has made an aggressive or forward sexual advance.

Women deal with something similar in terms of "slut shaming" where a lady isn't considered a lady if she exposes herself too much or gives herself to too many men.

For those of us who lust intensely, it's natural to want to touch and be touched in the "no-no places", even with people who we don't know very well. It's natural to want to expose ourselves, and it's natural to want to have sex in a variety of situations, including the workplace and in public. For those who feel as I do, that's the hard place we are stuck between, because our society causes us to think we ought to feel ashamed for expressing such desires, and even more ashamed for acting on them. And so we numb ourselves up with alcohol before picking up one-night-stands in bars, and we keep "discretion" (i.e. we lie) about any extra-marital affairs that we may be lucky enough to start.

I'm not complaining - we're all trying to figure it out and I don't know that society is necessarily even to blame. Sex is primal. It is the very genesis of life. It can't be effectively communicated about with written or spoken language in the same way that some other things can be, so of course we find it challenging to "wrap our heads around it".

In the end, it just seems to me like there's an enormous amount of "social risk" when it comes to having sex. Say it ain't so!
1) Private monogamous sex behind closed doors and
2) privately masturbating to pornography, also behind closed doors
Those are the types of sex that seem to circumvent this social risk -- but there's always the risk of getting caught masturbating, and there's the social risk and the awkwardness that is necessary in dating... so those don't fully excuse us from the inherent social risk in sexual exploration.

Without risk there is no reward? Why must one of the greatest things in life (sex) be so fraught with social risk? Am I the only one who is frustrated by this? I think not! It's confusing!

Your thoughts?
 
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Man up. Nut up. Grow a pair; take your chances but don't be a cad. Don't be the dweeb sitting on the far side of the gym floor wondering if he should ask the prom queen for a dance without accepting the first 'no.' Thank her after the second no and then ask her bff.
 
Man up. Nut up. Grow a pair; take your chances but don't be a cad. Don't be the dweeb sitting on the far side of the gym floor wondering if he should ask the prom queen for a dance without accepting the first 'no.' Thank her after the second no and then ask her bff.

Wait... you mean you would ask a girl, then ask her again after she already told you no, and then go ask her best friend after that?!? That sounds like harasser talk...

I don't actually think it would be harassment, but I do think that some other people would think that it is, especially feminist women, and I don't want to ignore their feelings, even if you do. Or... here's a novel idea... maybe I do want to ignore them? It's fine by me if a woman wants to ignore slut shaming.
 
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No. It's just playing the game. I didn't say 'grope' her, I said 'ask' her. Be charming, show her that you have a pair, i.e., confidence.
 
If not, then show her bff that you are resilient, make her feel a bit jealous, as is wtf? am I not good enough? Usually the bff is chosen as to not be in the way of her looks. Dig it??
 
There are socially acceptable times and places to find mates. The workplace isn't one, and neither is the schoolroom. Try a church sometime.
 
"Between a rock and a hard place" comes from the great Bisbee, Arizona anti-union raid of 1916. Hundreds of striking copper miners were rounded up at gunpoint, shoved into boxcars, and dumped in the middle of the desert a few hundred miles away. The Bisbee mines were "the rock." The desert dumping grounds were "the hard place." It was real.
 
There are socially acceptable times and places to find mates. The workplace isn't one, and neither is the schoolroom. Try a church sometime.

I strongly disagree. There are some problems with romancing somebody at work, but I would bet a plurality of marriages are between people who met at school. I don't believe a church would work out very well because people would be too restrained there.
 
sex and negging

Right so I guess there are more "appropriate" (not to mention more convenient) places besides work to meet someone who will be comfortable getting intimate with a man. Nevertheless I still think there should be a sex gym in the office where you can go to dance, make out, explore sex together, get off and cuddle, and work out all-in-one. The idea that it wouldn't be "approprate" isn't really my idea - it's someone else's idea! But... I can understand it also. Sex is pretty intimate and personal after all, and you want to be able to focus on other things (like work) sometimes. It also leads to babies and familes and so the willy-nilly of just having sex with a co-worker for no other reason than that you happen to find each other attractive and work together might not be favorable to a good family environment.

I still want a sex gym at work, though. A man can dream, can't he? :)
 
For those of us who lust intensely, it's natural to want to touch and be touched in the "no-no places", even with people who we don't know very well.

Without risk there is no reward? Why must one of the greatest things in life (sex) be so fraught with social risk? Am I the only one who is frustrated by this? I think not! It's confusing!

Your thoughts?

It is not confusing.

Whatever shit happens between consenting adults and doesn’t end up with serious harm to one or more parties is a-ok

Groping people you don’t know and exposing yourself in the workplace is wrong.

You’re welcome...

ps I fundamentally disagree that sex can’t be effectively communicated with spoken or written word. You’ve clearly never encountered a talented orator or scribe, but they are out there. :heart:
 
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