WashPo: Democrats will lose shutdown polls if public blames their amnesty push

[FakeNews]

The Democrats’ 2018 chances will be damaged by the government shutdown if voters blame the Democrats’ pro-amnesty agenda, a Washington Post report admitted Thursday evening.

The good news for President Donald Trump and the bad news for amnesty-advocates was buried in the last paragraph of the article, which is based on a poll conducted for Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer:

If Democrats can make this looming shutdown about Trump and his ability to govern, they will be in a strong position to win the fight nationally and help the “Big Five [Democratic Senators]” hold their own.

If Republicans can make it about immigration, the victory is probably theirs.

http://www.breitbart.com/2018-elect...utdown-fight-if-public-blames-amnesty-demand/

 

[DeYaKen]

http://www.breitbart.com/2018-elect...utdown-fight-if-public-blames-amnesty-demand/

Please help a poor Limey understand your weird politics. If the president is a Republican and there is a Republican majority in both houses, how can it be the Democrats fault if a budget is not approved?

Surely if all the Republicans backed their president the budget would be passed.

 

[Rightguide]

Let them become the Party of illegal aliens, let them form and execute their circular firing squad.

 

[FGB]

Please help a poor Limey understand your weird politics. If the president is a Republican and there is a Republican majority in both houses, how can it be the Democrats fault if a budget is not approved?

Surely if all the Republicans backed their president the budget would be passed.

THIS IS A START...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only

Then there are the ones whom just do not like Trump.

Not only does your vote matter but who or what gets your vote matters then and down the rode.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Please help a poor Limey understand your weird politics. If the president is a Republican and there is a Republican majority in both houses, how can it be the Democrats fault if a budget is not approved?

Surely if all the Republicans backed their president the budget would be passed.

The President is marginally a Republican and ran roughshod over the national establishment Republicans on his way to winning the nomination. Many of them never forgave him for that and began his administration in open rebellion against him and vowed to obstruct his plans in order to ruin him and get him out of office. Some are still resisting. In the House, they pass everything on the agenda and then it goes to the Senate which is barely Republican and requires 60 votes to advance any legislation, it is here where the minority party can make sure nothing gets done, they did, they own it and it is rightful to assign them the blame because they played politics with the budget over DACA, which was not as urgent or pressing an issue as funding the military and border patrol.

So you see, even if the majority backs him 100%, they still cannot prevail if the minority decides that this is a good chance to strike a blow at the majority. I hope this helps you understand the issue just a little bit better.

 

[DeYaKen]

The President is marginally a Republican and ran roughshod over the national establishment Republicans on his way to winning the nomination. Many of them never forgave him for that and began his administration in open rebellion against him and vowed to obstruct his plans in order to ruin him and get him out of office. Some are still resisting. In the House, they pass everything on the agenda and then it goes to the Senate which is barely Republican and requires 60 votes to advance any legislation, it is here where the minority party can make sure nothing gets done, they did, they own it and it is rightful to assign them the blame because they played politics with the budget over DACA, which was not as urgent or pressing an issue as funding the military and border patrol.

So you see, even if the majority backs him 100%, they still cannot prevail if the minority decides that this is a good chance to strike a blow at the majority. I hope this helps you understand the issue just a little bit better.

So in the Senate, you need better than sixty percent to carry the day, That sounds like a recipe for getting nothing done, but on the other hand, it ensures that nothing too radical gets passed. However, the president knows the rules and the make up of the Senate, I would have thought that it was his job to draft a budget that he knows he can get passed.

Our system is very different. If a party has more than fifty percent of the seats in the house of commons, they choose the Prime minister (normally the leader of the party). All votes are decided by a simple majority. The House of Lords can only put forward amendments, they can delay the passing of a bill but they can't block it altogether. I add this, not to say that either system is better than the other, but to illustrate why we Brits are confused by US politics.

 

[Rightguide]

Please help a poor Limey understand your weird politics. If the president is a Republican and there is a Republican majority in both houses, how can it be the Democrats fault if a budget is not approved?

Surely if all the Republicans backed their president the budget would be passed.

The Senate rules requires 60 votes on legislative matters. There are 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats in the Senate. So one can easily see how the minority party can disrupt the agenda of the majority.

 

[BotanyBoy]

However, the president knows the rules and the make up of the Senate, I would have thought that it was his job to draft a budget that he knows he can get passed.

No....it's not the POTU's job to cater to whatever congress wants, sometimes it's his job to tell congress no and make them either unify enough to make POTUS eat it or compromise until everyone can live with it.

If congress can't do either then they will be in the spotlight for it because you KNOW Trump won't sit there and take the heat for Congress being a cluster fuck.

 

[WoundedKnee]

So in the Senate, you need better than sixty percent to carry the day, That sounds like a recipe for getting nothing done, but on the other hand, it ensures that nothing too radical gets passed. However, the president knows the rules and the make up of the Senate, I would have thought that it was his job to draft a budget that he knows he can get passed.

Our system is very different. If a party has more than fifty percent of the seats in the house of commons, they choose the Prime minister (normally the leader of the party). All votes are decided by a simple majority. The House of Lords can only put forward amendments, they can delay the passing of a bill but they can't block it altogether. I add this, not to say that either system is better than the other, but to illustrate why we Brits are confused by US politics.

It is a design feature. If you read Federalist then it is clear that the Senate was put there to thwart the passions of the day (mob rule). Up until the 17th Amendment, it was the body that represented the interests of the states whereas the House represented the people, which is why they serve only two years giving the people the power to sweep the House clean and keeping the attention of the Representatives on the people. The Senate on the other hand has a term of six years and their elections are staggered as to provide for a more stable body less concerned on the next election (in theory) allowing them to focus on the bigger picture as to the state of the union.

Now, the President can draft all the budgets he wants, but the power of the purse resides in the People's House and they pretty much ignore his budget other than some broad direction. The President has no real power in the process compared to the Speaker of the House.

And, from over here, your politics and government are just as confusing, but we really are self-centered and don't pay all that much attention to it.

 

[WoundedKnee]

If the 17th had never been amended to the Constitution, then this impasse would never had occurred as most of the states are currently run by Republican majorities and thus there would be more Republicans in the Senate and the ability to pass legislation with a mandate, but once it was turned over to the mob, you get stalemate because in any election year, about one-third of the Senate is at the mercy of the mob and hence plays the short game instead of the long game.

 

[Dinosaur1]

Let them eat cake!

 

[coati]

Democrats will lose shutdown polls if public blames their amnesty push

"Shutdown polls" are meaningless. A Repugnican administration drove the economy into a ditch in 2008, and another one is driving the federal government into a ditch at this time.

Can the party in power govern or not? Can the Stable Genius broker a deal?

 

[Hypoxia]

If the 17th had never been amended to the Constitution, then this impasse would never had occurred as most of the states are currently run by Republican majorities and thus there would be more Republicans in the Senate and the ability to pass legislation with a mandate, but once it was turned over to the mob, you get stalemate because in any election year, about one-third of the Senate is at the mercy of the mob and hence plays the short game instead of the long game.

Oh yes, we certainly don't want to turn things over to "the mob." Can't have the consent of the governed, can we? Let's get rid of that crap letting Indians and n!ggers and women and non-landowners vote, too. They're so irresponsible. Only white men of property can run things.

Let them eat cake!

Have a Twinkie!

"Shutdown polls" are meaningless. A Repugnican administration drove the economy into a ditch in 2008, and another one is driving the federal government into a ditch at this time.

Can the party in power govern or not? Can the Stable Genius broker a deal?

Can today's Gups govern? Governance requires compromise, not domination. Today's Gups can't compromise; they've painted themselves into a corner. Compromise means death in the primaries. No, they can't govern.

Can Tromp broker deals? His business practices included threats, defaults, abandonment, write-offs. Politics is not business; many competing interests must be obliged. The US gov't can't file for bankruptcy. No, Tromp can't deal.

 

[Rightguide]

If the 17th had never been amended to the Constitution, then this impasse would never had occurred as most of the states are currently run by Republican majorities and thus there would be more Republicans in the Senate and the ability to pass legislation with a mandate, but once it was turned over to the mob, you get stalemate because in any election year, about one-third of the Senate is at the mercy of the mob and hence plays the short game instead of the long game.

I'm glad somebody has the time and patience to re-educate the hopelessly brainwashed and ill educated about the long term threat to the republic introduced into the body politic by the 17th Amendment. Good job.

 

[cowslinger64]

I'm glad somebody has the time and patience to re-educate the hopelessly brainwashed and ill educated about the long term threat to the republic introduced into the body politic by the 17th Amendment. Good job.

You're in the running for biggest dumbfuck here, vette ( neck and neck with botanydummy)... If you are educated, which is extremely hard to believe...it's not doing you any good at all.

 

[Rightguide]

You're in the running for biggest dumbfuck here, vette ( neck and neck with botanydummy)... If you are educated, which is extremely hard to believe...it's not doing you any good at all.

Go back to your crack house and fuck your mother before she heads back out to the streets.

 

[cowslinger64]

Go back to your crack house and fuck your mother before she heads back out to the streets.

Be thankful you're not saying that to my face....You're a fuckin cowardly little pussy vette...


Enjoy your anonymity mr keyboard warrior.

 

[Rightguide]

Be thankful you're not saying that to my face....You're a fuckin cowardly little pussy vette...


Enjoy your anonymity mr keyboard warrior.

You don't like it? Learn to keep your mouth shut. When you treat me the way you expect to be treated maybe things will change. Until then, STFU and enjoy your mom, punk.

 

[jaF0]

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Dud(e), quit with the BleitFart links.

 

[phrodeau]

The President's job is to preside. Sure wish we had someone who can do that.

 

[Rightguide]

Looks like Schumer backed down on his shutdown. Must have looked at new polling to see they were being held in contempt by the public and pussied out.

 

[Rightguide]

Limbaugh just said he looked in on the White House press briefing and it looked like a funeral. Media is hating the end of the shutdown.

 

[Rightguide]

The Dreamers say they are rejecting the agreement to open the government:

WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THEY THINK?

 

[jaF0]

^^ Shuddup BB

 

[Rightguide]

^^ Shuddup BB

You ought to just crap your pants for all of the effect that post has on anyone.