Government shutdown over illegals?

[Que]

Your most well said post ever!

Thank you!

Some of my best work here you don't get to see- it's when I hit the back arrow and don't post it all! I am often quite proud of myself when I do that.

 

[William_James]

Thank you!

Some of my best work here you don't get to see- it's when I hit the back arrow and don't post it all! I am often quite proud of myself when I do that.

Indeed! It is a joyful occasion when you STFU.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Adrina was right. I simply assumed, stupidly, the DACA fix was in the CR because it was in the bipartisan bill. Wrong. No deal on DACA.

Well you are right there. I did know they had bent a bit on the wall and I should have acknowledged that. I was not aware that they had conceeded on the Visa Lottery. It makes sense for them to do so because that is pretty indefensible and it doesn't specifically benefit them. I'm happy to assume you are correct on that.

The specific sticking point was Schumer said in no uncertain terms that no one in his caucus would vote on anything that included ending chain migration. in order for his caucas not to have to be on record to end that Mconnell offered that they could simply agree to allow a one-time rule change to fund the CR with a simple majority. No dice said Schumer.

You can be proud of Schumer, standing firm and shutting down the government specifically to maintain the status quo of unlimited chain migration at the expense of the dreamers.

As I am sure you are aware, if amnesty is granted to the DACA 30 year old children it will not be just the 800,000 currently in the illegal program, it'll be 3.6 million and if chain migration is left in place with that amnesty it will result in between 12 and 20 million being granted amnesty. All of whom will be Democrat voters. You can understand why this is important to Chuck.

 

[Hypoxia]

You really should turn yourself in soon, traitor.

While we're pissing around the edges of a budget CR with migration trivia, I have a budget fix:

1) Repeal the XVI Amendment (which was unconstitutional in the first place).

A dumbass as well as a Kim-loving traitor! Any amendment is automatically constitutional. Article V: "...Amendments...shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution..." Learn to read.

2) Close and disband the IRS. No more income tax, and no more income tax returns to be filed.

That's unconstitutional. Income tax is integral to the national system now, has been for a century. Do you also oppose all voting rights amendments? Would you like a return of slavery?

3) Provide legislation to fund the Federal government from the state legislatures. No state government would be required to fund those laws which it could not support, nor would they receive funding for those programs they rejected for funding. (State checks and balances on Federal power).

Also unconstitutional. Article I Section 8 assigns Congress all funding powers, both creation and spending of money. Learn to read.

You really hate America, don't you? Move to North Korea while you can.

 

[WoundedKnee]

This post could fit in anyone of several threads up recently, but I'll stick it here because of the DACA tie in.

The democrats tell us that those "kids" can't be sent back because of how terrible the conditions are in their country of origin. Is this the democrats passive-aggressive way of calling those places "shitholes?"

Yes just like saying people of color need affirmative action in order to compete with white people is the bigotry of low expectations.

They won't come out and say it but actions speak louder than words.

The emotional hyperbole of identity politics. Democrats do not run on issues, but how much wampum Cherokee Warren will give the tribe in exchange for their vote.

 

[Saint Peter]

The emotional hyperbole of identity politics. Republicans do not run on issues, but how much wampum Cherokee Koch will give the tribe in exchange for their vote.

So true.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Every plantation owner wants to increase their slave holdings. And yet so many can't quite grasp the notion that the more power you give your government the more dependent you become until you're nothing but a slave hardly in control of your own life.

I've been having a PM conversation with another poster about the repercussions of what happens when government collapses and leaves a dependent population hunkering down in place waiting for government to bail them out until some of them finally get back in touch with the idea of self-reliance.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Ish's deep racism strikes again.

...

Having to resort to name calling because you can't address the validity of the points I've raised.

Captain Oblivious

 

[WoundedKnee]

DACA *was* in it. just not DACA on steroids that the Democrats now want. The Democrats have moved that goal post. They don't want actual DACA, what they want is absolute amnesty not only for anyone that they are going to call a child but anybody related to anybody they call a child...Basically, this is just amnesty II....which would have been absolutely unnecessary if the Democrats had kept their word after amnesty one and kept future illegals out.

I've been saying that for well over a week now. They want to grow that tribe.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Never before has the party who had control of both the White House and Congress have to face a government shut down. The Republicans have control of the government but of course they're not to blame for not governing

It's like if you're walking along and somebody trips you, you can legitimately blame that person, but now you're walking along and you trip over your own damn feet and you yell at the guy standing 10 feet away for not telling you to watch out.

The GOP are bumbling buffoons.

Control does not mean power. If it were not for the Democrat Senate filibuster, this very well could be a law, because enough dissenting Republicans would have changed their vote, but the knowledge that Schumer was going to shutdown the government no matter what provided them the cover they needed to establish their "Maverick" credentials in future elections.

 

[Saint Peter]

Control does not mean power. If it were not for the Democrat Senate filibuster, this very well could be a law, because enough dissenting Republicans would have changed their vote, but the knowledge that Schumer was going to shutdown the government no matter what provided them the cover they needed to establish their "Maverick" credentials in future elections.

Or gave them a knife to cut their political throats with.

 

[WoundedKnee]

So the party in charge of everything can't manage to bargain for less than 10 Senate votes outside of their party and they're not to blame?

I thought Trump was the best deal maker?

Yeah, when that minority Senate party acts in lockstep and refuses to compromise as a political ploy intended to establish an "outrage" among their tribes in the upcoming Congressional elections. But you watch, as the shutdown continues and we get closer to the election, Senators in contested states will begin to vacillate and Schumer is going to be hard-pressed to get them to vote against their political power. It's good to be a Senator.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Does anyone outside DC really care if the government shuts down for a while?

Not me, not the markets.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Want to end the shutdown fast? Furlough Trump's Diet Coke guy.

The vending machine?

 

[WoundedKnee]

Nobody sane does.

The government still has revenue; the government still going to send out checks.

this time the guy in charge has no incentive to increase the level of pain so he won't be spending actual money closing National Parks or any other stupid thing to make it worse. I hope.

I realize this is Trump running the executive branch so no telling what he'll actually do.

Record revenue is what I read this morning.

 

[bellisarius]

Having to resort to name calling because you can't address the validity of the points I've raised.

You have no point. Or to be more precise is your point is that spending any monies on law enforcement is a waste of the tax payers dollar. Because that's what deportation is, law enforcement.

Overall the illegals are cockroaches and it matters not what particular breed of cockroach they are, German, Russian, Mexican, Chinese, African, whatever their national origin is they don't belong here. They are a net drain on the economy both from the standpoint of the public services they consume and the monies they send back home. The cost to the taxpayer is in the billions annually from municipal to federal levels.

The DACA crowd IS a special case and each applicant has to be dealt with on an individual basis. It's already been established that Trump, the congressional republicans want to deal with the issue in that manner. What they also want is to NOT have to be dealing with it again in 10, 20, 40 years and the only way that can happen is to secure the border.

As an aside, the government shutdown costs the taxpayer approx. $8 billion/week. A two week shutdown is 80% of the funding for the wall pissed away for no reason beyond the democrats demand for unrestricted illegal immigration.

 

[WoundedKnee]

You dissed the Russians? They're going to send John Wick after your ass. He once killed three men with a pencil, A FUCKING PENCIL!!!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Captain Oblivious

Happy to see you signing your posts.

 

[bellisarius]

You dissed the Russians? They're going to send John Wick after your ass. He once killed three men with a pencil, A FUCKING PENCIL!!!

Bored them to death with his prose.

 

[WoundedKnee]

lol...

 

[coati]

My, my, my. Looks like the Stable Genius is edging toward the collapse of the U.S. government. The Art of the Deal.

This is similar to the collapse of the USSR. Every State for itself, and grab the riches while you can.

Rejoice, all you "self reliant" right wingers, as you continue to blame all problems on the minority party.

 

[WoundedKnee]

My, my, my. Looks like the Stable Genius is edging toward the collapse of the U.S. government. The Art of the Deal.

This is similar to the collapse of the USSR. Every State for itself, and grab the riches while you can.

Rejoice, all you "self reliant" right wingers, as you continue to blame all problems on the minority party.

Tee hee

The Democrats are already beginning to crack. See what Gutiérrez just said. Also there are the aforementioned vulnerable Senators (like Joe Manchin) as well as people in the party intending to run for President who may decide that this is a time to display leadership and buck Pelosi and Schumer.

By the way, we've had many "shutdowns" before and not one of them came anywhere near collapsing the government, so lay off the hyper-partisan hyperbole lest we remind you of your remarks when the President wins this round. I know, you're already sick of winning...

 

[bellisarius]

Tee hee

The Democrats are already beginning to crack. See what Gutiérrez just said. Also there are the aforementioned vulnerable Senators (like Joe Manchin) as well as people in the party intending to run for President who may decide that this is a time to display leadership and buck Pelosi and Schumer.

By the way, we've had many "shutdowns" before and not one of them came anywhere near collapsing the government, so lay off the hyper-partisan hyperbole lest we remind you of your remarks when the President wins this round. I know, you're already sick of winning...

The "flash" polls may not be reflecting what their premise was for shutting it down.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I'm really doubting the voracity of most polls. They seem to be tailored to generate a desired outcome and create news where there is none.

 

[bellisarius]

I'm really doubting the voracity of most polls. They seem to be tailored to generate a desired outcome and create news where there is none.

Well, you're right there. It's all about how the questions are phrased. But those are the polls that are conducted for public consumption. The 'flash' polls of which I speak are for internal consumption only and the questions are usually straight forward without weasel words used to infer a premise or illicit a specific response.

Actually I should have used 'internal' instead of 'flash.'