shouldn't we use more hydrogen internal combustion engine now?

[dominatrixjane]

shouldn't we use more hydrogen internal combustion engine now?

https://futurism.com/a-new-material-is-able-to-create-hydrogen-fuel-from-seawater/

https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/03/11/000366.4-lg.jpg

 

[Hypoxia]

No, we need advanced steam technology engines -- minimal emissions, noise, and new technology required. If Big Oil wants to keep selling fuel, they'd best finance development of such anything-burners.

 

[hobbit.]

Cold fussion is the future.

 

[Weird Harold]

No, we need advanced steam technology engines -- minimal emissions, noise, and new technology required. If Big Oil wants to keep selling fuel, they'd best finance development of such anything-burners.

Hydrogen fueled internal combustion only requires a change of fuel storage and carburation/fuel injection to convert existing engines -- basically a propane conversion with a different regulator pressure. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

As with propane conversions, it should be possible to configure a dual-fuel configuration to burn gasoline, propane, or Hydrogen as fuel is available. Most modern cars/trucks are multi-fuel capable already.

The main problem to overcome is having Hydrogen available to refuel with.

 

[Rightguide]

No here's why:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...cars-over-gasoline-powered-ones/#3138476749b0

 

[Weird Harold]

No here's why:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...cars-over-gasoline-powered-ones/#3138476749b0

That article talks about hydrogen fuel cell cars, not hydrogen fueled internal combustion engines.

The only relevant point in the article is the scarcity of Hydrogen fueling stations.

 

[Saint_Ann]

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[Weird Harold]

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I doubt many cars are going to be painted with a close analog of Thermite.

 

[WoundedKnee]

If this was a winning strategy, the markets would have already selected it and Ford would be touting why its trucks are superior to Chevy's trucks thanks to not just their aluminum option, but their hydrogen option.

And, if it were the winning alternative, the RED GREEN show would be all over, in a heartbeat, how bad it is for the planet because the goal is to de-develpo and depopulate the world.

 

[Weird Harold]

If this was a winning strategy, the markets would have already selected it and Ford would be touting why its trucks are superior to Chevy's trucks thanks to not just their aluminum option, but their hydrogen option.

And, if it were the winning alternative, the RED GREEN show would be all over, in a heartbeat, how bad it is for the planet because the goal is to de-develpo and depopulate the world.

Hydrogen fueled cars (fuel cell or ICE) only now has the possibility of "a winning strategy" because of the breakthrough in cheap hydrogen production from seawater with solar power. There's no need of touting the capability if there's no cheap source or distribution system for Hydrogen fuel.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Hydrogen fueled cars (fuel cell or ICE) only now has the possibility of "a winning strategy" because of the breakthrough in cheap hydrogen production from seawater with solar power. There's no need of touting the capability if there's no cheap source or distribution system for Hydrogen fuel.

We'll see. Human action will determine this, not conjecture and positive thought.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Solar power. what a joke. It's been available since the 70s (and before, but we all remember OPEC) and yet, it still has lacked the ability to latch on despite all of the egalitarian desire to have it foisted upon the "unwashed masses' (the new meme of the day).

 

[bellisarius]

Hydrogen fueled cars (fuel cell or ICE) only now has the possibility of "a winning strategy" because of the breakthrough in cheap hydrogen production from seawater with solar power. There's no need of touting the capability if there's no cheap source or distribution system for Hydrogen fuel.

There's more to it than just the production and distribution. Storage is an issue as well. I worked on the design of the electronic control systems required for hydrogen powered vehicles back in the late 70's. Both ICE and Fuel Cell type configurations. They worked well and ARE promising, but virtually all of the "gotcha's" were uncovered in the process.

The most promising roll out of the technology then, and now, was for the technology to be deployed in vehicles operated by local fleet operators. UPS, FedEx, USPS are the most likely candidates. They have their own centralized motor pools that could support the storage/re-fueling apparatus as well as maintenance. Certain localities could also maintain their production facilities although it's questionable as to whether they actually want to roll that into their business model. USPS certainly wouldn't be interested in that. This particular roll out model has the benefits of economy of scale, measurable ecological benefits, and would spur competition as well as private industry investment in further technological research and development.

 

[Weird Harold]

There's more to it than just the production and distribution. Storage is an issue as well.

I was considering "storage" as part of the distribution issue. Nobody sells gasoline or deisel to the public directly from a pipeline or tanker truck; no reason to expect sales of Hydrogen would be different.

 

[Saint_Ann]

It certainly would reenergize pump jockey careers. Can I get that windshield for you maam?

 

[Saint Peter]

Hydrogen contains 3 times the energy compared to gasoline (by mass).

Pray the person following in the car behind you is not texting.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I doubt many cars are going to be painted with a close analog of Thermite.

I doubt there were many bumper to bumper Zeppelins back then.