Saudi Purge

[DrDelirium]

There's a big purge going on in Saudi Arabia, and there are rumors in some quarters of a coup attempt. Too early to tell what's really going, but at least 18 princes have been arrested and the heads of the National Guard and the Navy have been replaced. Nominally there is an anti-corruption enforcement going on, but it would appear to be more political than that.
Considering that the Saudis just deposed their own puppet prime minister of Lebanon, and the Houthis just shot a ballistic missile at the Riyadh Airport (apparently intercepted), things seem to be heating up rapidly in the region. Don't be surprised if Israel invades Lebanon again.

 

[doowdniw]

18 princes seems like just a drop in the bucket.

 

[dontbackdown]

Sea change

A 'coup' or clearing the decks?

 

[Hypoxia]

A 'coup' or clearing the decks?

The crown prince, the king's favorite son, is eliminating rivals and bothers. Following tradition in much of the world, they and their close family would be executed. Expect much excitement. Big question: Is an invasion and takeover of Qatar forthcoming?

 

[WoundedKnee]

Why does every political action in the Middle East revolve around what hideous thing Israel will do next?

 

[Hypoxia]

Why does every political action in the Middle East revolve around what hideous thing Israel will do next?

Hideous thing? Like, continuing to exist?

 

[DrDelirium]

The crown prince, the king's favorite son, is eliminating rivals and bothers. Following tradition in much of the world, they and their close family would be executed. Expect much excitement. Big question: Is an invasion and takeover of Qatar forthcoming?

That would require the cooperation of Turkey, which has troops there specifically to prevent such a thing. Not saying that Erdogan's cooperation could not be obtained, he's hardly the most stable or predictable actor in those parts, but that's the minimum condition for Saudi action against Qatar. Given KSA's performance in Yemen, it's unlikely that they could just walk in and take over Qatar even if the Turks turn a blind eye, and if they don't get the job done in a few hours, Al Thani will call on the Iranians for help, and that's a big can of worms. The Sauds don't have a credible ground force, and their air force seems incapable of precision strikes, so a Saudi blitzkrieg will operate in slow motion, at best.

 

[Rightguide]

There's a big purge going on in Saudi Arabia, and there are rumors in some quarters of a coup attempt. Too early to tell what's really going, but at least 18 princes have been arrested and the heads of the National Guard and the Navy have been replaced. Nominally there is an anti-corruption enforcement going on, but it would appear to be more political than that.
Considering that the Saudis just deposed their own puppet prime minister of Lebanon, and the Houthis just shot a ballistic missile at the Riyadh Airport (apparently intercepted), things seem to be heating up rapidly in the region. Don't be surprised if Israel invades Lebanon again.

This is a big deal.

 

[EternalFantasies]

It is hard to look at this from a pure 'corruption' perspective. There seems to be political events coinciding.

1. Qatar situation resolution discussions underway are at a turn-point.
2. Erdogan maintains Turkey's army base in Qatar despite local Turkish objections, for a reason.
3. At the same time of the arrests, Lebanese prime minister Hariri announced from Ryiadh, Saudi capital, his resignation from his PM post and in a statement that takes aim at Hizbolla & Iran.
4. Al Houthis of Yemen, who are supported by Iran, have fired a missile at Riyadh int'l airport yesterday.
5. Bahrain's government have warned their citizens to immediately leave Lebanon.

Side points:

6. UAE official (or army official I'm unsure) tweeted 2-3 days ago: 'good bye Mutaib Bin Abdallah' (Minister of Saudi National Guard), who is the son of the late King Abdallah. He was removed from office yesterday... .

7. The Candidate Donald Trump tweeted "Rich lame Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal thinks he can buy our politicians, this will no longer be the case once I'm president".
Al waleed also arrested.

 

[EternalFantasies]

And keeping in mind, those arrested, are kept in custody in 5 star hotels in the capital. ok?

 

[DrDelirium]

It is hard to look at this from a pure 'corruption' perspective. There seems to be political events coinciding.

1. Qatar situation resolution discussions underway are at a turn-point.
2. Erdogan maintains Turkey's army base in Qatar despite local Turkish objections, for a reason.
3. At the same time of the arrests, Lebanese prime minister Hariri announced from Ryiadh, Saudi capital, his resignation from his PM post and in a statement that takes aim at Hizbolla & Iran.
4. Al Houthis of Yemen, who are supported by Iran, have fired a missile at Riyadh int'l airport yesterday.
5. Bahrain's government have warned their citizens to immediately leave Lebanon.

Side points:

6. UAE official (or army official I'm unsure) tweeted 2-3 days ago: 'good bye Mutaib Bin Abdallah' (Minister of Saudi National Guard), who is the son of the late King Abdallah. He was removed from office yesterday... .

7. The Candidate Donald Trump tweeted "Rich lame Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal thinks he can buy our politicians, this will no longer be the case once I'm president".
Al waleed also arrested.

Most of this points toward Israel having another go at Hezbollah in Lebanon, with Suadis conveniently causing a constitutional crisis there to freeze government action and make the idea that Hezbollah is a rogue actor there more credible. Personally, I think the Israelis are over-estimating the influence that the Saudis have on the Sunni minority in Lebenon- for instance, Hariri's party tried to stage mass 'solidarity' demonstration for him after his resignation, but had to cancel them, apparently because even the Sunni Lebanese see Hariri as a Saudi stooge that betrayed them on the orders of his masters, and weren't going to show up. I also think that any Israeli action would be predicated on the belief that Uncle Sam would ride to the rescue if things got out of hand- which the thousands of missiles Hezbollah has in Lebanon assure that they will, Iron Dome not withstanding, but this may be a miscalculation as well. Despite Jared Kushner, Trump has managed to carry out the core elements of his Syria/Russia policy- ie, letting them win. Congress may howl, but there's a good chance that Trump would not act even if an Israeli attack lead to thousands of missiles being fired at northern Israel.

I think your seventh point is the most interesting- Al Waleed definitely 'interfered' in the US election, and has ties to the Clintons. So, depending on where MbS is really headed with all this, he could do some serious damage to the Dems.
It's not clear to me just what direction MbS is going, though. We've seen a number of miscalculations on the Zionist/neocon side of things, the most prominent recently being the Iraqi Kurdistan referendum. If MbS is 'switching sides,' as his 'anti-extremism' rhetoric suggests is at least possible, the Hariri resignation may have been intentionally premature. If it's going to survive, the House of Saud needs to find a way to get out of Yemen, reduce conflict with Iran, and generally stop being seen as an Israeli lap-dog. Creating an opportunity for Israel to get itself way out on a limb in Lebanon may be that path.

 

[Libsam]

During the Vegas Paddock thing people were talking about how the top floors of Mandalay Bay are owned by a Saudi Prince, and they have their own private elevators, too.

It didn't get much traction then, but people are talking about it again because of this Saudi Prince Purge going on now.

 

[trysail]

There's a big purge going on in Saudi Arabia, and there are rumors in some quarters of a coup attempt. Too early to tell what's really going, but at least 18 princes have been arrested and the heads of the National Guard and the Navy have been replaced. Nominally there is an anti-corruption enforcement going on, but it would appear to be more political than that.

Considering that the Saudis just deposed their own puppet prime minister of Lebanon, and the Houthis just shot a ballistic missile at the Riyadh Airport (apparently intercepted), things seem to be heating up rapidly in the region. Don't be surprised if Israel invades Lebanon again.

There is definitely something big going on and it ain't just an "anti-corruption" effort.

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal's detention is a sure and certain sign that this is political.


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[SpeareChucker]

Why does every political action in the Middle East revolve around what hideous thing Israel will do next?

This would be a good time to obliterate Israel. It would make the whole world a whole lot safer. Once the Zionist state is no more, we can all go back to living in peace. There is a time and place for a grain of sand to make a pearl, but this is not a grain of sand, this is a tumor. The Jews can stay and livi in peace under subjugation, as they have gotten used to for centuries now, but the state has to be returned to Arab stewardship.

 

[DrDelirium]

This isn't getting any clearer- Ghassan Kadi, who frequently knows what he's talking about, interprets this as a rapprochement between MbS and Hariri, where after MbS financially ruined Hariri, he is now willing to use him to destabilize Lebanon. On the other hand, FARS news, the Iranian outlet, is reporting that a former Lebanese minister claims Hariri is being detained in Riyadh and has been interrogated in relationship to his friendship with one of the recently arrested princes. "b" at Moon of Alabama sees this mostly as a desperate attempt by MbS to consolidate power as KSA crumbles. Rumors are there may be a coup in the next few days, but the Salmans have taken over the top position in pretty much every government and military organization. These organizations, however, are still full of people from other branches of the Saud family who no undoubtedly perceive themselves to be in danger. And then there's the Shias, who have pretty much nothing to lose.

 

[FGB]

This would be a good time to obliterate Israel. It would make the whole world a whole lot safer. Once the Zionist state is no more, we can all go back to living in peace. There is a time and place for a grain of sand to make a pearl, but this is not a grain of sand, this is a tumor. The Jews can stay and livi in peace under subjugation, as they have gotten used to for centuries now, but the state has to be returned to Arab stewardship.

You are crackers.

You don't even realize what you are asking for... or the consequences of that action.

And riddle me THIS. When was the last time the world was at peace?

 

[Hypoxia]

This would be a good time to obliterate Iran. It would make the whole world a whole lot safer. Once the Persian state is no more, we can all go back to living in peace. There is a time and place to fuck donkeys and goats, but this is not a cheap Tijuana donkey show, this is a camel parade. The Persians can stay and livi-livi-livi in peace under subjugation, as they have gotten used to under the Ayatollahs, but the state has to be returned to Sunni Arab stewardship.

Fixed for ya.

 

[daimoniotica]

Week before it was the Communist Party of China "anti-corruption" purging. The Wahabbis jihadis currently contolling the House of Saud are simply setting-up their future King's absolute, draconian rule for the rest of his life.

Outright revolution/overthrow is the only hope for both the Chinese and Sauds.

 

[dontbackdown]

Week before it was the Communist Party of China "anti-corruption" purging. The Wahabbis jihadis currently contolling the House of Saud are simply setting-up their future King's absolute, draconian rule for the rest of his life.

Outright revolution/overthrow is the only hope for both the Chinese and Sauds.

To be replaced by what? The track record for the path to improvement in the Mid-East isn't exactly stellar.

 

[daimoniotica]

To be replaced by what? The track record for the path to improvement in the Mid-East isn't exactly stellar.

As if the track record for replacement pre-planning any path to improvement in the middle east is actually stellar to any degree?

No act is more benevolent to more individuals anywhere than that the tree of Liberty be watered when needed.

 

[dontbackdown]

As if the track record for replacement pre-planning any path to improvement in the middle east is actually stellar to any degree?

No act is more benevolent to more individuals anywhere than that the tree of Liberty be watered when needed.

Fine, a noble Western philosophy. A philosophy that does NOT make the transition into a region where the dominant philosophy is driven by a religion that dictates all governments should be theocracies. Liberty and Theocracy are mutually exclusive philosophies.

 

[daimoniotica]

Fine, a noble Western philosophy. A philosophy that does NOT make the transition into a region where the dominant philosophy is driven by a religion that dictates all governments should be theocracies. Liberty and Theocracy are mutually exclusive philosophies.

Revolution has been known to water the tree of Liberty with freedom of religion before. Nothing could better serve individual liberty more in the middle east. In fact, for any iota of hope for actual peace to ever know the middle east in the future, religious freedom is the primary must.

The Wahhabi House of Saud is the foundation of Sunni Islam, just as the Twelvers of the Islamic Republic of Iran are the enforcers of Shia Islam - it has been so since virtually the day after Mohammed was assassinated.

Nothing less than outright revolution by liberty-seeking individuals in both murderously corrupt theocracies could possibly serve the entire middle east better.

If I were King of the Universe, individual natives in both those countries who longed for such revolution would be richly rewarded.

 

[Libsam]

This story from yesterday:
Saudi Helicopter Carrying 8 High-Ranking Officials & Prince Bin-Muqrin Crashed Near Yemen Border - All Dead
So - Trump pushes Aramco IPO (out of the blue), Prime Minister of Lebanon forced to resign, Saudis intercept missiles, 11 Saudi princes arrested, numerous officials charged, and now a dead crown prince near the border with Yemen... Just what is going on in Saudi Arabia?


This story today:
Second Saudi Prince Confirmed Killed During Crackdown
Following the death of Prince Mansour bin-Muqrin in a helicopter crash near the Yemen border yesterday, the Saudi Royal Court has confirmed the death of Prince Abdul Aziz bin Fahd - killed during a firefight as authorities attempted to arrest him.


They just whackin' 'em and stackin' 'em.
Crazy shit, man.

 

[DrDelirium]

Week before it was the Communist Party of China "anti-corruption" purging. The Wahabbis jihadis currently contolling the House of Saud are simply setting-up their future King's absolute, draconian rule for the rest of his life.

Outright revolution/overthrow is the only hope for both the Chinese and Sauds.

There are two kinds of opposition in Saudi Arabia- divisions within the Al Saud family, which the current purge seems focused on, and the Shia population. Neither is a likely source of 'religious liberty' as it is thought of in the west, although after whatever initial bloodletting transpires in the course of seizing and consolidating power, I think a Shia revolution would be considerably more tolerant than the Sauds have been. However gently they take and maintain power, however, they are bound to be painted as the worst devils in the world by the western press, should they succeed in overthrowing the Al Sauds.

 

[daimoniotica]

This story today:
Second Saudi Prince Confirmed Killed During Crackdown
Following the death of Prince Mansour bin-Muqrin in a helicopter crash near the Yemen border yesterday, the Saudi Royal Court has confirmed the death of Prince Abdul Aziz bin Fahd - killed during a firefight as authorities attempted to arrest him.


They just whackin' 'em and stackin' 'em.
Crazy shit, man.

44-year old Faud's pop, King Faud (reigned 1982-2005), was one of the 45 sons of Saudi Arabia founder Ibn Saud.

The present King, Salman (81), is another one of the founder's 45 sons, and it his son, current Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (32, and the just-killed Faud's cousin), who is obviously taking deadly control of the Islamic realm under the full royal auspices of his father, the King of the House of Saud.

The founder of Islam, Mohammed, cold-bloodedly murdered to accumulate his "religion"'s initial power; after he was assassinated by Muslims, killing then split Islam into its Sunni and Shia divisions, and Muslims have been freely murdering each other (and others) mercilessly ever since.

The US should completely pull-out of the middle east and let the murdering Muslims and killing Jews and statist Russians and Communist Chinese finally fight it out to purge the land of completely of each other.

DARWIN FOR THE WIN!