Bergdahl

[richard_daily]

Nobody died searching for Bergdahl.

The prisoners exchanged for him are under house arrest in Qatar.

Look things up.

This.

He got a dishonorable discharge, which is punishment enough, and he's already been through hell and back.

This is a failure of the army to have adequate mental health care.

Beyond that fact that we shouldn't even be in Afghanistan in the first place.

If you want to place blame, place the blame where it lies... with the commanders that continuously put our servicemen and servicewomen in harms way, for absolutely nothing.

 

[colddiesel]

I did 20 years in the British army and saw the effects of service on men in battle areas. Sometimes a soldier serves bravely and perfectly well for months on end - no sign of a problem. Then one day it all breaks down. Shit happens. Usually their mates are there to cover and as often as not they're ok next time out. The court probably got it right.

I suspect that even the dishonourable discharge could be reversed on review/appeal if Bergdahl was mentally unfit

Trump pardoned Sherriff Joe, therefore he's hardly in a position to criticize any judge.

 

[richard_daily]

I did 20 years in the British army and saw the effects of service on men in battle areas. Sometimes a soldier serves bravely and perfectly well for months on end - no sign of a problem. Then one day it all breaks down. Shit happens. Usually their mates are there to cover and as often as not they're ok next time out. The court probably got it right.

I suspect that even the dishonourable discharge could be reversed on review/appeal if Bergdahl was mentally unfit

Trump pardoned Sherriff Joe, therefore he's hardly in a position to criticize any judge.

There is ample evidence that superior officers knew that Bergdhal was mentally unfit for duty, and ignored it.

 

[Trigger_Warning]

There is ample evidence that superior officers knew that Bergdhal was mentally unfit for duty, and ignored it.

Can you post links to this? I would like to read this evidence.

I started listening to Serial's second season but didn't get past the second podcast. I'm sure they would have addressed this, too. I think I'll give it a listen today.

 

[mdbigdee]

Every honorably serving veteran, past and present, should be disgusted with the sentencing of Sgt. Berghdal. Every American citizen should be equally pissed. This is beyond absurd. Five violent terrorists back in enemy hands, numerous soldiers killed and wounded looking for his cowardly ass, and NO jail time. This is the definition of a travesty of justice.

Well I am a veteran,enlisted 3 times and the sentence was appropriate for the crime. According to both DoD and an interview by Berghdal's Division Command SGM in the Stars and Stripes no service members were killed looking for him. And if you ever even bothered to do any research on the subject of the Army and deserters you would discover that the Army has been remarkably forgiving of deserters over the decades.

First General Order: I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved.

 

[richard_daily]

Can you post links to this? I would like to read this evidence.

I started listening to Serial's second season but didn't get past the second podcast. I'm sure they would have addressed this, too. I think I'll give it a listen today.

It's been consistently all over the news for years.

Take your pick:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/...ere-mental-disease-or-defect-lawyer-says.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/bowe-bergdahl-mental-disorder-desertion-afghanistan-2017-11

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...gdahl-mental-disorder-factored-desertion.html

 

[WoundedKnee]

No jail time. He should be hanged. Brave men died for this POS.

Travesty of justice. It's a slap in the face to those who paid the price for being brothers in arms and keeping the code of no man left behind.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=dire+s...-30&sk=&cvid=8CCB66DC156449D7B8EB9EF590D3B95B

 

[adrina]

Why am I not surprised you use Bing. Heh.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I don't know, I don't get it; Who the fuck are you?

 

[richard_daily]

Travesty of justice. It's a slap in the face to those who paid the price for being brothers in arms and keeping the code of no man left behind.

What price did they pay?

 

[Dr. Groove]

Travesty of justice. It's a slap in the face to those who paid the price for being brothers in arms and keeping the code of no man left behind.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=dire+s...-30&sk=&cvid=8CCB66DC156449D7B8EB9EF590D3B95B

If we start going after those whose bad decisions had to be backed up by those in uniform, there's a couple of retired guys named George we need to talk to.

Seems to me the code is more honorable, when upheld without blame, shame and hostility. You know, "No man left behind." With a period on the end versus, "No man left behind, but if your bad decision got your ass captured, we're gonna get ya, then we're gonna kill ya."

 

[pointless]

With no title or artist, I have no idea what you're referring to. That's how MY brain works.

I'm often reminded of this Floyd line though ....

'Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?'

well, your loss. brilliantly terrible musical puns aren't for everyone.

 

[Rightguide]

In WWII he would have been tried on the battlefield and shot. That was the kind of discipline it took to win the war. This judge has dealt a crippling blow to discipline in the military with this outrageous sentence.

There was a time when a dishonorable Discharge would keep you from being employed, you'd lose the right to vote, sign contracts, and leave the state of your residence at the time of enlistment. Today, instead of being ensconced on a small patch of concrete on Skid Row, he'll be held up by the left as a hero. He'll be interviewed by the MSM and asked to analyze the next war effort, and given a job in the Democratic Party. This is the legacy of the Obama administration...to rebuild the US military officer corps, fill it up with political commissars, and set it up for failure. This was a historic failure of the new military justice system.

Note: Between 1942-45 the US military carried out 141 executions and six during the post-war period; with the exception of 1 they were for murder or rape. Pvt. Eddie Slovik, however, was tried and shot for desertion.

 

[Sean]

In WWII he would have been tried on the battlefield and shot. That was the kind of discipline it took to win the war. This judge has dealt a crippling blow to discipline in the military with this outrageous sentence.

There was a time when a dishonorable Discharge would keep you from being employed, you'd lose the right to vote, sign contracts, and leave the state of your residence at the time of enlistment. Today, instead of being ensconced on a small patch of concrete on Skid Row, he'll be held up by the left as a hero. He'll be interviewed by the MSM and asked to analyze the next war effort, and given a job in the Democratic Party. This is the legacy of the Obama administration...to rebuild the US military officer corps, fill it up with political commissars, and set it up for failure. This was a historic failure of the new military justice system.

Note: Between 1942-45 the US military carried out 141 executions and six during the post-war period; with the exception of 1 they were for murder or rape. Pvt. Eddie Slovik, however, was tried and shot for desertion.

You hid in an underground bunker for a year because you thought the scary brown people would find your Lit account.

 

[daimoniotica]

Gruesome injuries marked hunt for U.S. Army's Bergdahl: soldiers
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...for-u-s-armys-bergdahl-soldiers-idUSKBN1CV37A

Bergdahl pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. He faced a maximum punishment of up to life in prison, reduction in rank to private, forfeiture of all pay and a dishonorable discharge.

Prosecutors recommended Bergdahl serve 14 years, forfeiting $10,000 in pay, reduction in rank to E-1 private and being dishonorably discharged, barring him from receiving any medical or other benefits entitled to most veterans.

Bergdahl's sentence = no prison time, forfeiture of $10,000 in pay, reduction in rank to E-1 private and dishonorably discharged.

The sentence still has to be approved by Gen. Robert B. Abrams, who convened the court-martial. If the final sentence still includes a punitive discharge, it'll automatically be reviewed by the United States Army Court of Criminal Appeals.

Bergdahl's lawyer says he will appeal to have the sentence totally dismissed, meaning full reinstatement of Bergdahl to previous rank and benefits, and an honorable discharge.

I discern the death sentence is still a very real possibility in Bergdahl's case, especially after he's finally free of the Army's custody and back in injun country.

 

[jaF0]

Blah blah blah, I love BB and his rants.

That's what make you so w(R)ong.

 

[Wats_butthole]

What price did they pay?

He has no idea. Hes a flag waving brain dead jerk off. He heard it in a john wayne movie .

 

[DrDelirium]

In WWII he would have been tried on the battlefield and shot. That was the kind of discipline it took to win the war. This judge has dealt a crippling blow to discipline in the military with this outrageous sentence.

Eddie Slovik was the only US serviceman executed for desertion in WWII. He was not tried on the battlefield.

 

[Rightguide]

That's what make you so w(R)ong.

Just

Another

friggin

Overdose

 

[Rightguide]

Eddie Slovik was the only US serviceman executed for desertion in WWII. He was not tried on the battlefield.

He was tried and executed in France which was the battlefield where he deserted.

 

[daimoniotica]

Sergeant 1st Class Mark Allen, before Bergdahl's desertion:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/07/article-2651223-1E8A6ABA00000578-238_306x423.jpg

Sergeant 1st Class Mark Allen, after Bergdahl's desertion:

http://popularmilitary.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Mark-Allen.jpg

 

[Dr. Groove]

In WWII he would have been tried on the battlefield and shot. That was the kind of discipline it took to win the war.

Note: Between 1942-45 the US military carried out 141 executions and six during the post-war period; with the exception of 1 they were for murder or rape. Pvt. Eddie Slovik, however, was tried and shot for desertion.

So because of that singular case seventy plus years ago, cited in your same post, you're able to assume what would have happened, because this current discipline-crippling decision is such a grand departure. Not to mention, is anyone putting up the example of 141 executions as our desirable culture?

 

[pointless]

He was tried and executed in France which was the battlefield where he deserted.

that's great. he was still the only american soldier executed for desertion during ww2 and the first american soldier executed for desertion since the civil war.

you silly fuck.

 

[Rightguide]

So because of that singular case seventy plus years ago, cited in your same post, you're able to assume what would have happened, because this current discipline-crippling decision is such a grand departure. Not to mention, is anyone putting up the example of 141 executions as our desirable culture?

I didn't say I expected him to receive such a sentence. I said what I said to illustrate what could have happened in WWII as opposed to today in order to show the steady decline in military discipline. I think a life sentence would have been just but I would have been okay with 25 years in Leavenworth and a Dishonorable Discharge. The fact that he received zero time in prison illustrates the lack of institutional discipline in the US Army and the lack of value it places on the lives and limbs of those who sacrificed to go after him.

 

[pointless]

from wikipedia:

World War II
Over 20,000 American soldiers were tried and sentenced for desertion during World War II. Forty-nine were sentenced to death, though 48 of these death sentences were subsequently commuted. Only one US soldier, Private Eddie Slovik, was executed for desertion in World War II.

you idiot.