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It sure looks like there was collusion between the Trump operation and Russia

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Two things are true about the indictments unsealed by special counsel Bob Mueller Monday:

  • They don’t provide a “smoking gun” proving collusion between Donald Trump’s operation and Russia.
  • They make it almost impossible to believe that there wasn’t collusion between Trump’s operation and Russia.

Here is what we now know: The Trump campaign was filled with operatives connected in shady ways to the Russian government. It included individuals who knew that the Russians had obtained Clinton-related emails and who lied about that knowledge to federal investigators. Top campaign officials (and Trump family members) dropped everything to meet with Russian operatives when they believed there was useful opposition research on offer. Trump publicly asked Russia to hack into Clinton’s computers to find and release her missing emails.

We also know the Russians really did hack into John Podesta’s and the DNC’s email accounts and found and released emails that damaged Clinton. They really did conduct social media operations designed help Trump. Both their targets and their timing were extremely sophisticated for a foreign government that has traditionally shown itself to have a poor understanding of American politics. After winning the White House, Trump attacked the CIA and fired the director of the FBI in an effort to discredit or end their investigations into Russia’s role in the election.

At this point, it would be a truly remarkable coincidence if two entities that had so many ties to each other, that had so much information about what the other was doing, and that were working so hard toward the same goal never found a way to coordinate.
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Trump, for his part, sent out a powerful and of course completely believable tweet that there was no collusion. He even put it in caps so we can understand the forcefulness of his message. Nice to see a grown man operate in such a dignified way, no?

  1. Russia stole Democratic emails.
  2. At least one Trump adviser knew of the theft in advance, and lied about it.
  3. Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, was a paid operative of a Russia-linked political party in Ukraine.
  4. In June 2016, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with a Russian operative who promised them dirt on Clinton.
  5. In July 2016, Trump publicly asked the Russian government to find and release other emails Clinton deleted.
  6. Russians released emails to help Trump, planted fake news and social media bots to help Trump, and tried to hack election systems in 21 states.
  7. After being elected president, Donald Trump fired the director of the FBI to end his investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election.

And this doesn't even consider Jeff Sessions faulty memory about his meetings with Russia or Trump's adoption of policies favorable to Russia.

Are you able to suspend your disbelief?

(Oh and BB - cuz I know you have the self control of a gnat - Vox gets high grades for factual reporting. Dismiss them all you like. They stick to the facts. Unlike you. :cool: )
 
Vox gets high grades for factual reporting

Link?

Tell me VoxCunt,

Its OK

I'll wait:cool:
 
Posted elsewhere but worth repeating here:

Lawyer Exposes “Single Most Important Fact” in Mueller’s Investigation That No One is Talking About
31/ The danger *now* is non-attorney journalists confusing evidence of Aiding and Abetting with “evidence of a cover-up.” They’re different.

32/ There’s evidence of a cover-up—Mueller could get Trump on Obstruction with a jury right now—but also Aiding and Abetting a Russian plot.

33/ The evidence of a cover-up overlaps in many particulars with the evidence Trump and his team knew Russia was interfering, then aided it.

34/ For instance, it *isn’t* legal for Trump to learn on August 17th, 2016 that Russia was committing crimes against the U.S., and *then*…

35/ …send his chief foreign policy aide—Sessions—to negotiate *unilateral sanctions-lifting* with Russia’s ambassador three weeks later.

36/ So let’s stop talking collusion—a vague and meaningless term in this legal scenario—and instead discuss “knowledge of illegal activity.”

37/ Don, Jared, and Manafort were on *legal notice* that Russia was illegally stealing information from June 9, 2016 onward—at the *latest*.

38/ So no, Don wasn’t entitled to take that meeting—given what he’d been told. And Manafort couldn’t push a GOP platform change weeks later.

39/ Indeed, arguably, the *entire campaign* was on notice Russia aimed to secretly negotiate with and aid Trump from March 24, 2016 onward.

40/ On that date, Papadopoulos told seven senior Trump staffers that Putin wanted to meet with Trump—and felt Trump could improve relations.

41/ On that basis, *any* subsequent revelation that Russia was committing crimes should’ve been read by the campaign as a pro-Trump proffer.
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'Collusion' is not a legal term here. 'Conspiracy' and "aiding and abetting" are the keys.
 
BBthrives said:
Vox gets high grades for factual reporting

Link?

Tell me VoxCunt,

Its OK

I'll wait:cool:
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Media Bias Fact Check - they do a great job at checking bullshit.

Factual Reporting: HIGH
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Hypoxia said:
Posted elsewhere but worth repeating here:

Lawyer Exposes “Single Most Important Fact” in Mueller’s Investigation That No One is Talking About 'Collusion' is not a legal term here. 'Conspiracy' and "aiding and abetting" are the keys.
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I can't imagine Papadopoulis didn't run his mouth. It would be... highly unlikely.
 
To the same circus of bozos, it also sure looked like both George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson were totally guilty of the charges brought or contemplated against them. Alas, a jury of Zimmerman's peers found him not guilty, and a grand jury of Wilson's peers refused to even indict him. Plus, the Department of Justice found no violation of anyone's civil rights committed by either.

Yet, the circus of bozos continues to this day to INSIST both Zimmerman and Wilson are GUILTY of murder and racism, as NFL bozos still protest with their kneeling delusion of institutionalized racism and intolerable injustice that the very best of American justice - juries of peers confronted with all evidence - didn't see at all.

So, too, Trump's unquestionable GUILT is already decided against him by the same circus of bozos, no matter if Mueller finds nothing indicting him at all.
 
Hypoxia said:
Posted elsewhere but worth repeating here:

Lawyer Exposes “Single Most Important Fact” in Mueller’s Investigation That No One is Talking About 'Collusion' is not a legal term here. 'Conspiracy' and "aiding and abetting" are the keys.
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From WIK OH PEE D' UH

Tweets about Donald Trump[edit]
After the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Abramson received widespread attention for his tweets alleging collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. Several critics have described Abramson as a conspiracy theorist,[27][28] a label that Abramson himself rejects.[29]

In other words, A NUT JOB
 
One thing is apparent from this side of the pond. Every time Trump is accused of anything, his stock answer is that Clinton did it as well or more.

Which is about as relevant as pointing out other speeding traffic when you are getting a ticket.
 
It will be interesting to see which RWCJ member has the biggest "but..but..Hillary!" meltdown:

  • Ishmael (or whatever userid he is hiding behind since being banhammered)
  • Busybody (or whatever userid he is hiding behind since being banhammered)
  • Vetteman (or whatever userid he is using nowadays since I scared him off)
  • the Alt du Jour from the Conager/Que/Hashtag consortium
 
Bray123 said:
One thing is apparent from this side of the pond. Every time Trump is accused of anything, his stock answer is that Clinton did it as well or more.

Which is about as relevant as pointing out other speeding traffic when you are getting a ticket.
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STFU with this shit and worry about the MUSLIMS attacking your cuntry
 
Bray123 said:
One thing is apparent from this side of the pond. Every time Trump is accused of anything, his stock answer is that Clinton did it as well or more.

Which is about as relevant as pointing out other speeding traffic when you are getting a ticket.
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I imagine it's got to look like a three ring circus from an outsider's perspective. Hell it feels like a circus from someone in the middle of it here.

RobDownSouth said:
It will be interesting to see which RWCJ member has the biggest "but..but..Hillary!" meltdown:

  • Ishmael (or whatever userid he is hiding behind since being banhammered)
  • Busybody (or whatever userid he is hiding behind since being banhammered)
  • Vetteman (or whatever userid he is using nowadays since I scared him off)
  • the Alt du Jour from the Conager/Que/Hashtag consortium
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Don't forget AJ. Granted he's showing more self control than usual, but I already have my suspicions of his new potential identity.
 
adrina said:
I imagine it's got to look like a three ring circus from an outsider's perspective. Hell it feels like a circus from someone in the middle of it here.



Don't forget AJ. Granted he's showing more self control than usual, but I already have my suspicions of his new potential identity.
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Wounded knee
 
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