California clears first hurdle to breaking into three states

[FakeNews]

California has cleared its first hurdle to going from one state to three smaller states.

The plan proposes making the area including and north of San Francisco into one state, a coastal region extending south to Los Angeles another state, and everywhere south and east of those a third state.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...to-breaking-into-three-states/article/2638928

 

[DrDelirium]

Looks like an attempt to make two blue and one red state, and leave the red state with the task of controlling the border. The red state would have the smallest economic base of the three as well.

 

[richard_daily]

Fake news from FakeNews.

 

[Rightguide]

It isn't going anywhere.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Probably not going to happen because water and money.

 

[DrDelirium]

Probably not going to happen because water and money.

Depends on how you look at it. It's not like they're talking about creating independent nations. The things most affected by such a change would be the distribution of taxes and the electoral system. If the coastal types can gain a lock on the electoral college this way, they'll spend whatever it takes, and as for taxes, the map looks to be drawn very specifically to create a rural Ruritania with minimal tax base. They'll be allowed to keep whatever fraction of the water that flows through there that feeds the city folks.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Depends on how you look at it. It's not like they're talking about creating independent nations. The things most affected by such a change would be the distribution of taxes and the electoral system. If the coastal types can gain a lock on the electoral college this way, they'll spend whatever it takes, and as for taxes, the map looks to be drawn very specifically to create a rural Ruritania with minimal tax base. They'll be allowed to keep whatever fraction of the water that flows through there that feeds the city folks.

That's a whole mess of shit to do a whole lot of nothing.

Also the north state along those lines means the bay area won't escape their rural folks and AND leave them with a lot less blue to fight off the red in a suddenly far more purple state.

This looks like another proposal from L.A. trying to scoop up the utlra-rich central coast and give the rest of the state the finger, again.

Which means this is almost certainly won't be getting very far. They will have to include the Bay area and be ready to pay that money for their H2O. Accomplishing little more than no longer having to go through the motions of dealing with the totally un-cool rednecks in the rest of the state.

IDK, I think it's super unlikely but I suppose someday it could happen that we might see a city state break off.

If it were up to me though I'd say let them have the uber-plex city state.

 

[Rightguide]

Probably not going to happen because water and money.

What was it 1925 when we almost had a gunfight when L.A. went up to the Owens River Valley and took their water?

 

[DrDelirium]

That's a whole mess of shit to do a whole lot of nothing.

Also the north state along those lines means the bay area won't escape their rural folks and AND leave them with a lot less blue to fight off the red in a suddenly far more purple state.

This looks like another proposal from L.A. trying to scoop up the utlra-rich central coast and give the rest of the state the finger, again.

Which means this is almost certainly won't be getting very far. They will have to include the Bay area and be ready to pay that money for their H2O. Accomplishing little more than no longer having to go through the motions of dealing with the totally un-cool rednecks in the rest of the state.

IDK, I think it's super unlikely but I suppose someday it could happen that we might see a city state break off.

If it were up to me though I'd say let them have the uber-plex city state.

That northern chunk has a pretty small rural population, laced with non-voting migrant workers and wealthy vintners. The big bunch of rurales will be down south, and they'll go red. While I don't think it'll go through, it's a clever design because even if the 'Southern Californians' have enough sense to see they're being screwed, half of them hate them city folks enough to do it anyway, and there are two big bunches of urbanites voting against them. If they went for just two states, they'd have to do it more fairly and there wouldn't be anything to gain from that.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Looks like an attempt to make two blue and one red state, and leave the red state with the task of controlling the border. The red state would have the smallest economic base of the three as well.

They probably won't even get enough support to get the idea on the ballot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What was it 1925 when we almost had a gunfight when L.A. went up to the Owens River Valley and took their water?

Idk anything about that, I've barely scratched NorCal history.

Sounds about right though...mother fuckers are grabby with the water.

That northern chunk has a pretty small rural population, laced with non-voting migrant workers and wealthy vintners.

Contrary to popular belief there is a lot more north of the bay than Napa valley. Sorry but you're just wrong on that one especially if the line is to go straight across the state.

The big bunch of rurales will be down south, and they'll go red.

Again...this is totally wrong, let me help you out.
http://joelkotkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/election-results-CA.png

If the bay area doesn't have at least part of the central coast big bucks backing it, they will lose their uber power to just overlord everyone who's not a social justice democrat in the most smug, asinine, socialistic ways possible. Which would be great for the rest of the north state but they will fight it tooth and nail.

While I don't think it'll go through, it's a clever design because even if the 'Southern Californians' have enough sense to see they're being screwed, half of them hate them city folks enough to do it anyway, and there are two big bunches of urbanites voting against them. If they went for just two states, they'd have to do it more fairly and there wouldn't be anything to gain from that.

Nah...it's not clever, it's openly greedy so it won't go.

Clever would be Bay/central coast/ Los Diego peel off and give the rest of the state the finger....they both fucking hate it and especially loathe the people in it with a white hot searing passion. But whoever it is in LA who can't see past their little Hollywood bubble will get snuffed for their greedy shit. They should just let the state of Jefferson go. Give the pro civil rights and pro capitalists a place on the west coast.

 

[sharingfantasies]

I can't tell from the map if they are using the Coastal Range or the Sierra Nevadas. If it is the Coastal Ranges, then the LA area is cut off from their water supply. All the water from the Colorado River and Sierra Nevadas, and food from the San Joaquin Valley are in the Southern California section.

All in all, this is a joke.

 

[DrDelirium]

Idk anything about that, I've barely scratched NorCal history.

Sounds about right though...mother fuckers are grabby with the water.



Contrary to popular belief there is a lot more north of the bay than Napa valley. Sorry but you're just wrong on that one especially if the line is to go straight across the state.



Again...this is totally wrong, let me help you out.
http://joelkotkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/election-results-CA.png

If the bay area doesn't have at least part of the central coast big bucks backing it, they will lose their uber power to just overlord everyone who's not a social justice democrat in the most smug, asinine, socialistic ways possible. Which would be great for the rest of the north state but they will fight it tooth and nail.





Nah...it's not clever, it's openly greedy so it won't go.

Clever would be Bay/central coast/ Los Diego peel off and give the rest of the state the finger....they both fucking hate it and especially loathe the people in it with a white hot searing passion. But whoever it is in LA who can't see past their little Hollywood bubble will get snuffed for their greedy shit. They should just let the state of Jefferson go. Give the pro civil rights and pro capitalists a place on the west coast.

That map is only meaningful if you look at this map: http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/California-Population-Density-Map-2.png

The rural population doesn't have the numbers to balance the urbanites, so it doesn't matter how they vote. The most southern part of the state voted blue because the Latino population was activated for Clinton, but other than that, it's a pretty conservative zone.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That map is only meaningful if you look at this map:

The rural population doesn't have the numbers to balance the urbanites,

They don't have the numbers, but things would go much further right if you cut the bay off from all the blue down south.

And with the way (D)'s have totally rat fucked the pot farmers I wouldn't be shocked if the purple north coast didn't start looking redder by the election.

The most southern part of the state voted blue because the Latino population was activated for Clinton, but other than that, it's a pretty conservative zone.

"activeated" for clinton? LOL

Nah, they are just a bunch of social justice dems down there....fuckin' loons.

If I had my way the north state would break off without SF or Sac. Totally minimize the gun grabbing, socialist/social justice element from the start. That way we can advertise to all the freedom loving capitalist who've always wanted to live in a nice place without the gun grabbers and crony socialism.

State of Jefferson
http://media.oregonlive.com/travel_impact/photo/jeffersonjpg-6fb91ad515c3a182.jpg

Because PNW rednecks need a safe space to smoke weed and play with their guns.

 

[Hypoxia]

The rural population doesn't have the numbers to balance the urbanites, so it doesn't matter how they vote. The most southern part of the state voted blue because the Latino population was activated for Clinton, but other than that, it's a pretty conservative zone.

Note that half the state's population resides in four southern coastal counties.

Some of the figures are misleading. I'm up in a Trompish Central Sierras county your map shows with a population of 0.037 millions (that's 37,000 for y'all without calculators) but about 10,000 of them are in state prisons. Of the remaining ~27,000 about 21,000 are registered voters and about 13,000 bothered to vote in 2016. Interestingly, only about 30% of registereds are (D) but HRC got about 40% of the vote here.

As for the southland being conservative -- that's been changing rapidly, and not just due to a Latino influx. Educated Asians have a tremendous impact. Many SoCal districts are so (D) that Gups don't even bother to run. Gup policies are despised by many, especially now that Tromp owns that party.
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I'm rambling. Folks been trying to divide California for a long time now. SF Chronicle columnist Stanton Delaplane almost got a FREE JEFFERSON STATE! northern secession movement going. Unfortunately, his could-have-been-influential column appeared in print a few hours before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor so he was sort of lost in the noise. Oops.

In my stack of dusty political books are several on splitting and reorganizing California or USA / North America into more logical chunks. Guess what? People with local power now don't want to give it up. Folks doing well in the world's 6th largest economy won't like being relegated to Uruguay status.

Last time a state divided, the War of Southern Treason raged. I suspect civil wars will be needed to divide other states. Have fun.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Last time a state divided, the War of Southern Treason raged. I suspect civil wars will be needed to divide other states. Have fun.

The civil war wasn't over a state dividing, you imbecile.

Dividing states is a matter of legal process and has been done before without bloodshed.

Main split from the Massholes in 1820, West Virginia from Virginia in 1863 and Tuck'ey from Virginia in 1792....no civil war needed.

 

[Weird Harold]

Last time a state divided, the War of Southern Treason raged. I suspect civil wars will be needed to divide other states. Have fun.

The civil war wasn't over a state dividing, you imbecile.

Hypoxia didn't say it was over a state dividing, just that the LAST occurrence was in that time frame.

As for California splitting, the proposed divisions would be a total disaster for LA; the northern and southern divisions have all the water, while the LA division has almost all of the water consumers. Can you imagine the outrage when LA has to actually pay a realistic price for all of its water?