The Infamous Russian Dossier

[DrDelirium]

Except that foreign agent Steele definitively provides his exact foreign agent sources. Again: whether you, I or anyone else "believes" him is an entirely different "point".

And you maintaining that there's no truth to the "evidence", when you have no way of knowing that or not, simply shows the inanity of your own fallacy projection.

You're about as objective as a unicorn fart.

"Exact"? I missed the part where he names them.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Stop it. There is no evidence of Trump collusion with Russians. There is no precedent for the use of national intelligence assets against a political opponent in the history of US presidential politics before Obama either. If any official knowingly presents phony evidence to a federal judge in order to obtain a warrant, especially a FISA warrant, he exposes himself to a whole new raft of federal statute violations.

You won't know that until Bob's inquisition is over. Clearly on Monday, he's going to get a confession. Can you say President Pence? We'll get him too! Then Ryan. He's no Jack. By 2020 there will be no Republicans with enough credibility to run since they are all part of the coverup.

Trump is going down! Hoisted upon his own petard.

 

[Hypoxia]

Stop it. There is no evidence of Trump collusion with Russians.

There is, actually. Don Jr admitted it.

There is no precedent for the use of national intelligence assets against a political opponent in the history of US presidential politics before Obama either.

Tell that to J.Edgar Hoover and Richard Nixon.

Trump is going down! Hoisted upon his own petard.

Very likely, but not immediately. I'll guess that Mueller's first indictment will be Flynn Jr, to pressure Flynn Sr to flip on Tromp. A few more 'interviews' will be conducted before Tromp freaks out, fires Mueller, declares martial law... and then shit gets serious.

 

[dontbackdown]

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-campaign-platform-rnc-jd-gordon-2017-9

You assert that as "proof" when in reality it proves nothing. Anyone can make a claim of a quid pro quo ex post facto. Had Steele's memo mentioned that PRIOR to the convention meetings you'd have a much stronger case. Further, where is the 'quo?' What exactly did Trump receive in return? The release of the DNC emails?

And that brings us to another overlooked factor. Assange has continuously asserted that those emails did NOT come from the Russians and claims he has proof of such. Why is no one going there? Like him or not, Assange has shown himself to be an equal opportunity 'exposer.' He should be able to put that story line to rest once and for all?

 

[Sean]

Like him or not, Assange has shown himself to be an equal opportunity 'exposer.'

This is a lie.

 

[Rightguide]

There is, actually. Don Jr admitted it.

Bullshit. Show me where he admitted to collusion with the Russians. Simply meeting with a Russian isn't illegal or collusion.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Looks pretty shady to me. The Russian was dangling a Hillary dossier. Nobody in Hillary's circle knew a thing about what her lawyer was up to. Don Sr. did.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Bullshit. Show me where he admitted to collusion with the Russians. Simply meeting with a Russian isn't illegal or collusion.

No one is buying the story his daddy cooked up for him.

Natalia V. Veselnitskaya arrived at a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 hoping to interest top Trump campaign officials in the contents of a memo she believed contained information damaging to the Democratic Party and, by extension, Hillary Clinton. The material was the fruit of her research as a private lawyer, she has repeatedly said, and any suggestion that she was acting at the Kremlin’s behest that day is anti-Russia “hysteria.”


But interviews and records show that in the months before the meeting, Ms. Veselnitskaya had discussed the allegations with one of Russia’s most powerful officials, the prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika. And the memo she brought with her closely followed a document that Mr. Chaika’s office had given to an American congressman two months earlier, incorporating some paragraphs verbatim.

It also suggests that emails from an intermediary to the younger Mr. Trump promising that Ms. Veselnitskaya would arrive with information from Russian prosecutors were rooted at least partly in fact — not mere “puffery,” as the president’s son later said.

In the past week, Ms. Veselnitskaya’s allegations — that major Democratic donors were guilty of financial fraud and tax evasion — have been embraced at the highest levels of the Russian government. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia repeated her charges at length last week at an annual conference of Western academics. A state-run television network recently made them the subject of two special reports, featuring interviews with Ms. Veselnitskaya and Mr. Chaika.

The matching messages point to a synchronized information campaign. Like some other Russian experts, Stephen Blank, a senior fellow with the nonprofit American Foreign Policy Council in Washington, said they indicate that Ms. Veselnitskaya’s actions “were coordinated from the very top.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-tower-veselnitskaya-russia.html

 

[Rightguide]

No one is buying the story his daddy cooked up for him.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-tower-veselnitskaya-russia.html

It was a meeting nothing was exchanged, nothing paid for. Show me the illegality, show me the statute violated.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Half a dozen Democrat senators are right now committing to go WITH the Trump tax package and that is fairly ominous for those who took the money and gained position under Obama, who is without question at all, an agent of super wealthy ME oil 'Londonistanis.'

It really doesn't matter after that, if there even is such a person as 'Bob Mueller' in the whole entire Universe.

I'm sure, Sarah Brady can handle the 'PR' for old Bob...

 

[Adre]

It was a meeting nothing was exchanged, nothing paid for. Show me the illegality, show me the statute violated.

Legal perhaps. Also ill advised, stupid, incompetent, amateurish, arrogant, dangerous. Kind of like his father’s Presidency come to think of it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

The Act and Commission regulations include a broad prohibition on foreign national activity in connection with elections in the United States. 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20. In general, foreign nationals are prohibited from the following activities:

Making any contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or making any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States;
Making any contribution or donation to any committee or organization of any national, state, district, or local political party (including donations to a party nonfederal account or office building account);
Making any disbursement for an electioneering communication;
Making any donation to a presidential inaugural committee.
Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to an FEC enforcement action, criminal prosecution, or both.

https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

 

[DawnODay]

The Act and Commission regulations include a broad prohibition on foreign national activity in connection with elections in the United States. 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20. In general, foreign nationals are prohibited from the following activities:

Making any contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or making any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States;
Making any contribution or donation to any committee or organization of any national, state, district, or local political party (including donations to a party nonfederal account or office building account);
Making any disbursement for an electioneering communication;
Making any donation to a presidential inaugural committee.
Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to an FEC enforcement action, criminal prosecution, or both.

https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

It is my understanding, based on a report I heard on NPR Friday morning, that the information coming out late last week fully implicates the DNC, and probably the Clinton Campaign, in exactly this by paying for and employing the phony dossier.

 

[Aglaopheme]

It is my understanding, based on a report I heard on NPR Friday morning, that the information coming out late last week fully implicates the DNC, and probably the Clinton Campaign, in exactly this by paying for and employing the phony dossier.

That would be a misunderstanding.

 

[SpeareChucker]

It is my understanding, based on a report I heard on NPR Friday morning, that the information coming out late last week fully implicates the DNC, and probably the Clinton Campaign, in exactly this by paying for and employing the phony dossier.

Just because it's NPR doesn't mean that you can trust the source. Everyone knows this is an old story resurrected to try and take the attention off of Trump and his "death spiral."

 

[Aglaopheme]

It is my understanding, based on a report I heard on NPR Friday morning, that the information coming out late last week fully implicates the DNC, and probably the Clinton Campaign, in exactly this by paying for and employing the phony dossier.

Actually link me to this.

 

[Que]

Actually link me to this.

the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, disclosed that it had retained the firm that produced the dossier. But, it added that none of the work product it received appears in the dossier. The New York Times reported that "The Free Beacon told the firm to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016" and the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee "had begun paying Fusion GPS in April for research that eventually became the basis for the dossier."

It's NPR, the taxpayer-funded propaganda outlet for the DNC, so you'll mostly like the way they are on message minimizing the salient, actual facts like the above.

Every once in a while they go ahead and throw in an occasional inconvenient fact just so they can pretend they are actual journalists.



http://www.npr.org/2017/10/29/560431220/the-russia-investigations-countdown-to-the-big-show-republicans-strike-back


Sure would be nice if we could pay for some tax cuts by completely eliminating tax money from the NPR and letting the DNC fund it.

 

[Rightguide]

The Act and Commission regulations include a broad prohibition on foreign national activity in connection with elections in the United States. 52 U.S.C. § 30121 and generally, 11 CFR 110.20. In general, foreign nationals are prohibited from the following activities:

Making any contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or making any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any federal, state or local election in the United States;
Making any contribution or donation to any committee or organization of any national, state, district, or local political party (including donations to a party nonfederal account or office building account);
Making any disbursement for an electioneering communication;
Making any donation to a presidential inaugural committee.
Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to an FEC enforcement action, criminal prosecution, or both.

https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

Nothing of value exchanged hands in the Trump Jr meeting.

 

[Aglaopheme]

It's NPR, the taxpayer-funded propaganda outlet for the DNC, so you'll mostly like the way they are on message minimizing the salient, actual facts like the above.

Every once in a while they go ahead and throw in an occasional inconvenient fact just so they can pretend they are actual journalists.



http://www.npr.org/2017/10/29/560431220/the-russia-investigations-countdown-to-the-big-show-republicans-strike-back


Sure would be nice if we could pay for some tax cuts by completely eliminating tax money from the NPR and letting the DNC fund it.

None of that says anything about Hillary or the DNC breaking any FEC laws about foreign nationals donating to a campaign. There has been a complaint filed regarding how the payments were disclosed, that is it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Nothing of value exchanged hands in the Trump Jr meeting.

According to the folks looking at criminal charges.

From the above link of mine:

Soliciting, accepting, or receiving contributions and donations from foreign nationals

The Act prohibits knowingly soliciting, accepting or receiving contributions or donations from foreign nationals. In this context, "knowingly" means that a person:

Has actual knowledge that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national;
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are likely to be from a foreign national; or
Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national.

And we can add the Wikileaks emails here as well.

 

[Rightguide]

According to the folks looking at criminal charges.

From the above link of mine:



And we can add the Wikileaks emails here as well.

We know nothing illegal took place in the Trump Jr. meeting because it hasn't been leaked and you can't prove it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

We know nothing illegal took place in the Trump Jr. meeting because it hasn't been leaked and you can't prove it.

I have, Jr has, the Kemlin's lawyer has, you just choose to not see it.

 

[dontbackdown]

According to the folks looking at criminal charges.

From the above link of mine:



And we can add the Wikileaks emails here as well.

Funds? What funds? Any one here see any funds?

Or are you referring to the newly posited legal theory that information is the same as money? Funny how that was recently invented.

Ishmael

 

[Aglaopheme]

"A thing of value" is not new. Long ago I've cited a case about campaign literature being given in violation of FEC laws. Feel free to look it up, I'm about to binge Stranger Things.

 

[Que]

"A thing of value" is not new. Long ago I've cited a case about campaign literature being given in violation of FEC laws. Feel free to look it up, I'm about to binge Stranger Things.

Campaign literature cost money to craft, layout, and print. Hence, it's a thing of value. Information is free.