The aggressively predatory lesbian... a myth..?

[Storyfeller]

...and, even if so, what price its basis for erotic tales..?

 

[Yerkiddin]

I have a lesbian friend who went to a Christian university and after dating there for a year, complained to me that the women there did not know how to date. She said they all wanted to dive into her pants as soon as they got back to a room, after the first date. I was actually inhaling and raising a finger when she jabbed a finger of her own at my face and almost yelled, "And DON'T ask me what is wrong with that!", causing me to sit back and shut up.

I would imagine that predatory lesbians are just like predatory people of any other sort, in that they look for positions of authority or trust and make use of them to manipulate younger or disadvantaged prey.

 

[delicious_man]

A character can be predatory without being a rapist. Some people are drawn towards the predator, the aggressive pursuit.

Partly why you ask this question I think is because of the paucity of dominant female characters in any kind of media (not only erotica). However, I think if you're writing a strong female it is important to remember that they won't be the same sort of predator as the stereotypical male version. I tend to think of a masterful seductress vs an imposing alpha male. The female version is sexy, clever, sultry, perhaps even manipulative, but probably less of a blunt instrument than the male.

Yerkiddin is right I think in suggesting that they're out there - these predatory lesbians. I reckon society often underestimates the strength of sex drive that women have (lesbians, straight, bis - all kinds).

 

[Storyfeller]

I put up the thread because I was wondering whether there might be a darker undercurrent to lesbianism in real life - one bordering on actual non-consent.

To take an extreme example, would there be any significant occurrence of forced, lesbian-on-straight sex which rarely if ever makes it into public awareness because, perhaps, of the 'shame factor'.

Lesbianism invariably seems portrayed in stories as some kind of powder-puff, 'girly and giggly' explorational thing which puts it up as male voyeur fare - and of course here there is nothing but absolute 'consenting adults' stuff.

Not long ago I wrote a short story for my own amusement which explored this 'dark' possibility but I wonder if I'm barking up a non-existent tree in reality.

 

[delicious_man]

...Not long ago I wrote a short story for my own amusement which explored this 'dark' possibility but I wonder if I'm barking up a non-existent tree in reality.

I don't know but I'd read it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Rape exists in every combination of genders including female-on-female, and there are stories about it on Literotica.

 

[Storyfeller]

Rape exists in every combination of genders including female-on-female, and there are stories about it on Literotica.

I hear what you say but the fact that stories exist about a thing does not prove its existence.

That you can have female-on-male rape is still highly contentious as an idea and, whereas I believe that lesbian rape does exist, I do wonder whether there is any significant occurrence of it at all. Is it, as I suspect, far more likely to be an impulsive event... or is there any room at all for such a concept as a 'lesbian serial rapist'..?

 

[Yerkiddin]

I hear what you say but the fact that stories exist about a thing does not prove its existence.

That you can have female-on-male rape is still highly contentious as an idea and, whereas I believe that lesbian rape does exist, I do wonder whether there is any significant occurrence of it at all. Is it, as I suspect, far more likely to be an impulsive event... or is there any room at all for such a concept as a 'lesbian serial rapist'..?

Women can rape men. I was out with a woman I had had to pry off me at one point and her friend, to celebrate the first woman's graduation from some class. (25 years ago, I don't remember all the details) The first of those women was very seductive and manipulative, but I'd told her "No" and meant it. She'd asked me to go out with a friend and her to help her celebrate, and promised to behave, and packaged it all as introducing me to one of her friends. I should have known better.

I got to her house, her friend was there, she took us all to a club, where I had 1 drink and we danced a bit. Then over to another club where I had one drink and did a bit more dancing. She suggested another drink, and I said no. (I was planning to drive home) I went to the restroom, and she bought me a drink, and badgered me into drinking it. (I was thinking it had been over an hour since the first, and more than 30 minutes since the second, a 3rd shouldn't stop me from driving home.) I don't remember the drink tasting any different, but the rest of that night was foggy. I know we did leave once I finished it, and went back to her place, but I felt really drunk, though I could walk without much trouble. (this is all memory of a memory, now) The woman pushed me and her friend into her son's bedroom. The friend started stripping me, and said something about sex. I think I told her I was too drunk, but my penis made a liar of me pretty darned quick. It was 20 years later, when I was in law school, when I told this story to a classmate who pointed out that was textbook rape.

Am I certain I was drugged? No. I just think that may have happened. Even if it was all just booze, though, I made "No sex" clear with the friend who wanted to me to go out with her that night. Sex was not discussed with her friend before booze and/or drugs had stopped me from remembering how to say "No.", so yes, that was rape.

I did not pitch a fuss about it the next day, but I had nothing whatever to do with that woman again.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

My wife used to work with a woman who is an out and proud lesbian. She typically dressed in a manner that left little doubt as to her orientation. She had one (that we knew of) particular quirk:. She liked to seduce straight women. Especially straight women in committed relationships. We never heard of any non-consentual situations, but she was definitely predatory.

 

[Storyfeller]

Women can rape men. I was out with a woman I had had to pry off me at one point and her friend, to celebrate the first woman's graduation from some class. (25 years ago, I don't remember all the details) The first of those women was very seductive and manipulative, but I'd told her "No" and meant it. She'd asked me to go out with a friend and her to help her celebrate, and promised to behave, and packaged it all as introducing me to one of her friends. I should have known better.

I got to her house, her friend was there, she took us all to a club, where I had 1 drink and we danced a bit. Then over to another club where I had one drink and did a bit more dancing. She suggested another drink, and I said no. (I was planning to drive home) I went to the restroom, and she bought me a drink, and badgered me into drinking it. (I was thinking it had been over an hour since the first, and more than 30 minutes since the second, a 3rd shouldn't stop me from driving home.) I don't remember the drink tasting any different, but the rest of that night was foggy. I know we did leave once I finished it, and went back to her place, but I felt really drunk, though I could walk without much trouble. (this is all memory of a memory, now) The woman pushed me and her friend into her son's bedroom. The friend started stripping me, and said something about sex. I think I told her I was too drunk, but my penis made a liar of me pretty darned quick. It was 20 years later, when I was in law school, when I told this story to a classmate who pointed out that was textbook rape.

Am I certain I was drugged? No. I just think that may have happened. Even if it was all just booze, though, I made "No sex" clear with the friend who wanted to me to go out with her that night. Sex was not discussed with her friend before booze and/or drugs had stopped me from remembering how to say "No.", so yes, that was rape.

I did not pitch a fuss about it the next day, but I had nothing whatever to do with that woman again.

My highlights. I doubt that any judge would agree with you. There is no legal precedent established, to the best of my knowledge, that drink or drugs can 'stop you remembering how to say no'. I know that some very extreme cases have been brought successfully but generally the principle seems to be that the man always takes part in sex of his own volition. He cannot be forced.

 

[Storyfeller]

My wife used to work with a woman who is an out and proud lesbian. She typically dressed in a manner that left little doubt as to her orientation. She had one (that we knew of) particular quirk:. She liked to seduce straight women. Especially straight women in committed relationships. We never heard of any non-consentual situations, but she was definitely predatory.

You are using 'predatory' merely in the sense of 'actively looking'. To that extent, the vast majority of single, heterosexual men and women might be considered as 'predatory' to one extent or another.

Can I be very clear that what I'm talking about is a level above and beyond this.

 

[EquinoxRising]

You are using 'predatory' merely in the sense of 'actively looking'. To that extent, the vast majority of single, heterosexual men and women might be considered as 'predatory' to one extent or another.

Can I be very clear that what I'm talking about is a level above and beyond this.

However, "Lit doesn't allow stories of real rape on the site" and/or "the 'victim' has to like it by the end". Yes, people will argue semantics, but I guess ultimately it's up to the author if they wish to try to get a rape story past Laurel and/or to test where she draws the line for her site.

 

[Storyfeller]

However, "Lit doesn't allow stories of real rape on the site" and/or "the 'victim' has to like it by the end". Yes, people will argue semantics, but I guess ultimately it's up to the author if they wish to try to get a rape story past Laurel and/or to test where she draws the line for her site.

Yes and I accept the site's rules. This thread is not about getting stories accepted and I never submit anything to Literotica anyway.

 

[EquinoxRising]

This thread is not about getting stories accepted and I never submit anything to Literotica anyway.

Then why post at Literotica's Story Ideas?

 

[Yerkiddin]

My highlights. I doubt that any judge would agree with you. There is no legal precedent established, to the best of my knowledge, that drink or drugs can 'stop you remembering how to say no'. I know that some very extreme cases have been brought successfully but generally the principle seems to be that the man always takes part in sex of his own volition. He cannot be forced.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/men-who-were-sexually-assaulted-10271205

https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-...ir-harrowing-stories-of-being-raped-by-women/

 

[Storyfeller]

Then why post at Literotica's Story Ideas?

To discuss precisely that: story ideas and the concepts behind them... whether they have any validity in real life, whether consequently they would resonate with people as the basis for erotic writing.

Notice I do NOT require anyone to talk in any detail about themes which the site frowns on, still less am I attempting to 'get anything accepted' by the site.

Almost everything I write is for purely private interest and I would not ever consider posting it here, even remotely.

You seem to be deliberately looking for some kind of trouble from me. There is none.

 

[Storyfeller]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/men-who-were-sexually-assaulted-10271205

https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-...ir-harrowing-stories-of-being-raped-by-women/

Thanks but I'm afraid very little of this impresses me. Erection involves sexual arousal. End of.

In any case, the thread is not to do with this.

 

[Yerkiddin]

Thanks but I'm afraid very little of this impresses me. Erection involves sexual arousal. End of.

If you're certain of that, and male, then go to whomever you are not attracted to, and allow them to try and get you aroused. If they are people who have sex, I'm betting they can surprise you.

Also, even at 54, I do sometimes wake up with morning wood. As a young man, it was an every morning expectation.

In my own event I don't remember being aroused. I remembered it as if I were watching some movie, and was amazed I could be that drunk and still get hard.

 

[delicious_man]

You are using 'predatory' merely in the sense of 'actively looking'. To that extent, the vast majority of single, heterosexual men and women might be considered as 'predatory' to one extent or another.

Can I be very clear that what I'm talking about is a level above and beyond this.

Actually Storyfeller, reading soflabbwlvr's post I thought it was made quite clear that they were talking about something above and beyond the normal 'actively looking' sort of thing. It's just that they wanted to make it clear their friend/acquaintance wasn't a rapist. Read this again...

...She liked to seduce straight women. Especially straight women in committed relationships. We never heard of any non-consentual situations, but she was definitely predatory.

When I think of the word 'predatory' I think of someone who uses quite aggressive tactics to get what they want, whether that be bribery, coercion, confidence, cheek, seduction, etc...

 

[Storyfeller]

If you're certain of that, and male, then go to whomever you are not attracted to, and allow them to try and get you aroused. If they are people who have sex, I'm betting they can surprise you.

Also, even at 54, I do sometimes wake up with morning wood. As a young man, it was an every morning expectation.

In my own event I don't remember being aroused. I remembered it as if I were watching some movie, and was amazed I could be that drunk and still get hard.

Your problem is that arousal in males can be on much slimmer grounds than in females, i.e. frankly, it really doesn't take much... really...

In other words, you can fool yourself with self-flattering ideas with regard to 'who you're not attracted to'. Even after the event and walking away, you can still be kidding yourself that, oh gosh, was she unattractive or what..?!!

Sorry but the law has got it broadly right.

 

[Storyfeller]

When I think of the word 'predatory' I think of someone who uses quite aggressive tactics to get what they want, whether that be bribery, coercion, confidence, cheek, seduction, etc...[/QUOTE]

I understood that... and my remark holds.

 

[delicious_man]

I understood that... and my remark holds.

Ok. So let me get this straight. You're saying that you think a lesbian who dresses provocatively and actively pursues straight women in committed relationships (as described by soflabbwlvr) is someone who is behaving normally, not in a predatory manner.

I'm not looking for an argument here (and I realise we seem to be going off track a little) but I'm curious about what kind of view on life you have that leads you to reach this conclusion.

 

[EquinoxRising]

Since this thread is not an actual story idea, it does not belong in Story Ideas. Wanting to debate "the concepts of ideas" is a whole different can of worms. It's a general thread...

 

[Storyfeller]

Ok. So let me get this straight. You're saying that you think a lesbian who dresses provocatively and actively pursues straight women in committed relationships (as described by soflabbwlvr) is someone who is behaving normally, not in a predatory manner.

I'm not looking for an argument here (and I realise we seem to be going off track a little) but I'm curious about what kind of view on life you have that leads you to reach this conclusion.

No, I'm saying that the kind of lesbian described is being predatory only in the tactical sense and not the physical. It is this watered-down use of the term which one sees trotted out in the press and media ad nauseam and the true one has consequently become devalued.

By way of response, I could as easily ask you whether, in the heterosexual world, people who put on nice clothes and cosmetics and actively 'pursue' others are being 'predatory'. Let's be honest, no, this is simply taken as normal behaviour. So, there seem to be double standards at work here.

In any event, what I am talking about is predation in the true sense. The lion doesn't spend hours actively stalking the gazelle only to ask at the last minute: 'Fancy being eaten?'.

No arguments. All friends here. I appreciate your contribution and those of others, although yes, they have taken us 'off track'!

 

[Storyfeller]

Since this thread is not an actual story idea, it does not belong in Story Ideas. Wanting to debate "the concepts of ideas" is a whole different can of worms. It's a general thread...

So give me a 'concepts of ideas' forum (???) or show me where the 'general board' is. Until then, this is surely the nearest possibility.

Look, if you have some problem with this discussion then just say so and I'll not visit it again. This was only really a vague thought of mine prompted by something I'd written - and nearly forgotten about - ages ago. It's hardly life and death...