Would you take a knee?

[cowslinger64]

So his act is an insult to vets but the treatment of black people in our society is something to just suck up and swallow because... ya know, vets.

Sorry but your experience is not their experience. There are many vets out there that disagree. Poetry is nice an' all, but what were you fighting for? The freedom of people to do what you think is right? Or their ability to have the rights granted by the constitution.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I find it a bit odd that you seem to have some very selective perceptions.

You fought to defend the country and our constitution. All of it.

You don't have to agree with him but the reality is he not only has a right to his demonstration, but we should all fight for that right. Otherwise we may as well be in Kim Jong Un's North Korea or Hitler's nazi Germany where rights come at the whim of those in power.

The black experience in this country - and thankfully I haven't experienced it - is nothing to be so glib about. Yes there were many battles fought. And he is fighting his.

Whether you agree with his opinion or not, his right to say it has been enshrined in our constitution. The one you raised your right hand and swore to protect and defend.

I appreciate your service but I am a bit surprised that you are taking his actions as a personal affront.

You skipped over where I said that while it is a right fought for by others, just because you have the right doesn't mean you should exercise it. There are MANY other ways to protest something.

I'm certainly not looking for approval for my thoughts on this.. I'm not an angry white guy...this is just a discussion and I loved what that poem says. I did not write it.

 

[4evahBB]

So his act is an insult to vets but the treatment of black people in our society is something to just suck up and swallow because... ya know, vets.


Whether you agree with his opinion or not, his right to say it has been enshrined in our constitution. The one you raised your right hand and swore to protect and defend.

.

BAKE THE CAKE, BIGIOT

 

[spacekowboy]

I agree that he escalated it with his big mouth.. but this protest started long before he rolled in and funked up the place. That was my point.

I get it. I also get why the protests upset people. I actually AM one of those people. I am not a of them. When the president however tries to silence the 1st amendment, that is when I have a problem. If I were a member of one of these teams, you can be damn sure that i would support my teammates' rights.

Especially right now with the other garbage that is currently going on in this world. The idiot in chief really should be concentrating on governing. Not on football and golf.

 

[adrina]

You skipped over where I said that while it is a right fought for by others, just because you have the right doesn't mean you should exercise it. There are MANY other ways to protest something.

I'm certainly not looking for approval for my thoughts on this.. I'm not an angry white guy...this is just a discussion and I loved what that poem says. I did not write it.

I saw it.

Yes. And this is his way. He does not need our approval in how he expresses himself.

I didn't figure you did. But the person that did apparently thinks that being a vet entitles his opinion to be of greater importance than the constitution that he swore to uphold. I find that troublesome.

 

[cowslinger64]

I saw it.

Yes. And this is his way. He does not need our approval in how he expresses himself.

I didn't figure you did. But the person that did apparently thinks that being a vet entitles his opinion to be of greater importance than the constitution that he swore to uphold. I find that troublesome.

I dunno.. that's a tough question. Does the person that gave his life to give them this right have more of a say? I think it does.

I do agree that it's a slippery slope and we are on far too many of those nowadays. I hate that these protests are because of a problem in this country, I hate that it's been politicized and hate that they chose this way to protest. It's not a good situation all around. The idiot in charge does nothing but exacerbate the problems facing this country and the only bigger idiots than him are the ones that think he's doing a great job.

 

[4evahBB]

I get it. I also get why the protests upset people. I actually AM one of those people. I am not a of them. When the president however tries to silence the 1st amendment, that is when I have a problem. If I were a member of one of these teams, you can be damn sure that i would support my teammates' rights.

Especially right now with the other garbage that is currently going on in this world. The idiot in chief really should be concentrating on governing. Not on football and golf.

BAKE THAT CAKE

 

[adrina]

I dunno.. that's a tough question. Does the person that gave his life to give them this right have more of a say? I think it does.

I do agree that it's a slippery slope and we are on far too many of those nowadays. I hate that these protests are because of a problem in this country, I hate that it's been politicized and hate that they chose this way to protest. It's not a good situation all around. The idiot in charge does nothing but exacerbate the problems facing this country and the only bigger idiots than him are the ones that think he's doing a great job.

Let's flip that. As a taxpayer, I help pay the salaries of those that defend the country. Do I have more say than them?

"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall

The Idiot-In-Chief is the most divisive figure I have seen. The only thing he has managed to do to unite people is in their opposition to his idiocy. And even then, check the 20-25% of the country that would have no problem with him shooting someone on the street.

We have certain ideals enshrined in our constitution that guarantee everyone the same rights. We, you or Mr Magoo don't have to like it but to speak against it weakens us all.

 

[pink]

I took a knee today. I fell over the uhaul hitch and went down for the count.

 

[jezzilee]

I still think this whole, "Trump is president" thing is a nightmare... Someone pleeeease wake me up...

How the fuck, does a reality TV star become the president of the United States.

I am a very proud citizen of the US of A. Am I proud he is our president? Good God no. Oops, now I brought religion into it...

 

[FGB]

Why or why not?

Disrespecting our flag/country...I don't care why.

There is NO excuse or reason good enough.

Fire them, arrest them kick their asses out if they are not citizens.

 

[cowslinger64]

Let's flip that. As a taxpayer, I help pay the salaries of those that defend the country. Do I have more say than them?

"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall

The Idiot-In-Chief is the most divisive figure I have seen. The only thing he has managed to do to unite people is in their opposition to his idiocy. And even then, check the 20-25% of the country that would have no problem with him shooting someone on the street.

We have certain ideals enshrined in our constitution that guarantee everyone the same rights. We, you or Mr Magoo don't have to like it but to speak against it weakens us all.

Of course not. That's not a good analogy. No more than you can call a general and order a missile strike. That's totally apples and oranges. Even if you were a military member, chances are you wouldn't have that ability...dependent on rank of course. Regardless of your monetary input, there is a hierarchy and you are very low on that totem pole..lol

I agree with you about trump....but disagree that I shouldn't speak out about the shitty way these players are protesting. They should be ashamed for the way they are going about it. That's just how I see it.

 

[butters]

I took a knee today. I fell over the uhaul hitch and went down for the count.

ouch

I still think this whole, "Trump is president" thing is a nightmare... Someone pleeeease wake me up...

How the fuck, does a reality TV star become the president of the United States.

I am a very proud citizen of the US of A. Am I proud he is our president? Good God no. Oops, now I brought religion into it...

too late, others beat you to it.

as for god answering the prayers of those who worship he/she/it, that's gotta cause a hell of a confusion - given the diversity of those prayers.

 

[cowslinger64]

Disrespecting our flag/country...I don't care why.

There is NO excuse or reason good enough.

Fire them, arrest them kick their asses out if they are not citizens.

Speaking of slippery slope..here is the other side of my coin.

 

[spacekowboy]

BB, keep my name out of your mouth you useless piece of shit.

 

[adrina]

Of course not. That's not a good analogy. No more than you can call a general and order a missile strike. That's totally apples and oranges. Even if you were a military member, chances are you wouldn't have that ability...dependent on rank of course. Regardless of your monetary input, there is a hierarchy and you are very low on that totem pole..lol

I agree with you about trump....but disagree that I shouldn't speak out about the shitty way these players are protesting. They should be ashamed for the way they are going about it. That's just how I see it.

No it's not. Because if it weren't for me and my taxpayer money, there would be no soldiers. That's just reality. No money = no soldiers or generals = no army = no defense of the country. The relationship between soldier and citizen is symbiotic. One cannot exist without the other.

Your rights end where my nose begins. My rights end where your nose begins.

You can speak out. Absolutely. That is your right. Just as it is his right. With no one's rights being more important than the other.

You however claiming anything close to resembling that a soldier's rights are more important, more valuable or more anything than anyone else's is pure bunk.

 

[FGB]

Speaking of slippery slope..here is the other side of my coin.

Dude you was robbed!

 

[cowslinger64]

No it's not. Because if it weren't for me and my taxpayer money, there would be no soldiers. That's just reality. No money = no soldiers or generals = no army = no defense of the country. The relationship between soldier and citizen is symbiotic. One cannot exist without the other.

Your rights end where my nose begins. My rights end where your nose begins.

You can speak out. Absolutely. That is your right. Just as it is his right. With no one's rights being more important than the other.

You however claiming anything close to resembling that a soldier's rights are more important, more valuable or more anything than anyone else's is pure bunk.

That's ok, I think your opinion on the matter is crap too.. and your analogy as well. That analogy is ridiculous.. try not paying taxes.. you sound like botany boy. Lol and I totally do think the opinion of someone that died for their country matters more than someone that sits and posts on a message board about it is FAR MORE important. Simple as that..that person paid more into the system than you ever have or ever will. If you can equate your contribution of a couple bucks a month with a person dying on the beach in Normandy, or dying in a POW camp after being tortured by the Japanese Unit 731, then you're just wrong. Or, even someone willing to die for their country in service.. that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

You are trying to ascribe something to me.. I don't think anyone should be fired, killed or anything else. I said they should be ashamed for choosing this platform for their protest. Since they're not, then shame on them. Period.


Jus sayin..

 

[cowslinger64]

Dude you was robbed!

Lol


I don't agree with your points on the repercussions of these players. Firing, arresting... those things have no business in this discussion, IMO.

That is the slippery slope and where does it end in regards to protesting which is a right in the country.. I do think they're assholes for doing it this way tho.

 

[adrina]

I dunno.. that's a tough question. Does the person that gave his life to give them this right have more of a say? I think it does.

I do agree that it's a slippery slope and we are on far too many of those nowadays. I hate that these protests are because of a problem in this country, I hate that it's been politicized and hate that they chose this way to protest. It's not a good situation all around. The idiot in charge does nothing but exacerbate the problems facing this country and the only bigger idiots than him are the ones that think he's doing a great job.

So a soldier's opinion is more important because they defend their country?

I didn't ascribe anything. Those are your words.

But whatever dude.

You can actually say what you want.

And I can tell you that you're wrong.

That's the beauty of our constitution.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

I don't see any classes on how to "abolish" the black race.

Those are taught in the fraternities.

 

[cowslinger64]

So a soldier's opinion is more important because they defend their country?

I didn't ascribe anything. Those are your words.

But whatever dude.

You can actually say what you want.

And I can tell you that you're wrong.

That's the beauty of our constitution.

That's ok... it won't be the first, or last time you're wrong.


Many people OTHER THAN YOU served and/or died for you to have that right... the proper respect of that, not a bad idea.

Ok...last word is yours.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Uh, I just feel kind of obligated to point out that if you're dead, you really can't express your opinion any more, except maybe through a psychic.

As for the taxpaver v. soldier - the rights of citizens apply to anyone who has the franchise. Each can chose to protest or not protest according to their own conscience. Mine tells me I would not take the knee, but if someone's conscience tells them to take the knee, well then, good luck with that.

Life experience generally shapes us and our political views. The lack of shared experiences makes crossing that line difficult. What is the old adage - a conservative is a liberal whose been robbed and a liberal is a conservative whose been arrested?

To me it all circles back to that pragmatism - what are you trying to accomplish? Is the specific act of protest getting you closer to your goal or not?

If the NFL folks who are taking the knee are protesting the treatment of blacks by the police, then I would suggest a boots on the ground approach - what specifically is the anticipated outcome?

If the outcome of your protest is "for other people to do something", then I am just pretty much going to write you off. If the outcome is "to empower you to do more" (via education, fundraising, persuasion, etc.) then I am more likely to be impressed and perhaps influenced.

 

[4evahBB]

There is a reason why you all pretend my post of

BAKE THAT CAKE, BIGOT

Cause it blows all your

Dont they have a right to......

Comments to shit

 

[cowslinger64]

There is a reason why you all pretend my post of

BAKE THAT CAKE, BIGOT

Cause it blows all your

Dont they have a right to......

Comments to shit

What makes YOU a REAL AMERICAN? Other than some stupid image.. you seek answers and never offer any.

 

[adrina]

That's ok... it won't be the first, or last time you're wrong.


Many people OTHER THAN YOU served and/or died for you to have that right... the proper respect of that, not a bad idea.

Ok...last word is yours.

I'll take that last word regardless of your sarcasm.

Yes the constitution that you and many others took an oath to protect and defend demonstrates my correctness. Note the constitution doesn't have a little asterisk that says the role you play in the society entitles you to a greater say, a more important opinion or anything of the like. Nor does it have a caveat that someone exercising their rights needs the approval of anyone else.

Oddly enough it astounds me just how many people don't quite get that.