Using basic terms incorrectly...

[richard_daily]

Ok we'll go with the lefty view of socialism where it's official state ownership. Because anything short of that is totally free market evil capitalism, because effective ownership just doesn't meet the standard.

Right?

How is that in any way compatible with the definition of anarchism?

You're still not getting it.

You don't comprehend what everyone has been telling you, and you don't have any facts to back up your position, other than half or less of a dictionary definition. When you're ignoring half or more of a definition to make your entire worldview, then it's time for a little self reflection and critical thinking.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're still not getting it.

Well common then Mr. the USSR was right wing and not at all socialist, explain it then.

You don't comprehend what everyone has been telling you,

That's because "You're wrong, nuh uhhhhh socialism is WONDERFUL UNICORN FARTS!!! Mean government is right wing!!" doesn't really explain much.

and you don't have any facts to back up your position,

Other than every definition out there.

When you're ignoring half or more of a definition to make your entire worldview, then it's time for a little self reflection and critical thinking.

I'm not ignoring any of it.

You and the other unicorn fart clowns are the only people ignoring part of the definition. You lot focused on the word ownership, totally ignoring the rest of the definition and then refuse to think at all about what ownership means.

You and the dog came close but then started bullshitting about control and how it's somehow not the same and not really control when it's warm fuzzy controls for the greater good.


If socialism isn't any political theory that advocates government ownership over the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods and services, like websters and britannica say it is, then what is it???

 

[oggbashan]

Repeat post #424 ad infinitum...

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Because that is the only way it actually works.

Socialism on a voluntary basis is a more laughable notion than a purely free market capitalist one advancing beyond total gang wars and vice.



And what is the only chance in hell they have at doing that? Government power....sending in their own goons to steal from the owners.



And what is the only fucking chance in hell of any of that happening?

Government power....sending the gestapo in to control the means.

Time to ignore history....there's never been any revolutions or people's rebellions?

Not at all? That's not socialism...socialism calls for government control, not no government.

For the umpteenth time…..if “socialism calls for government control” (in the way you define it) post this definition.

No government = anarchy, an elitist, capitalist paradise. Total fuckin' thug life.

If I don't understand anarchism then reconcile the definition that states rather clearly that anarchist are anti-government with the left's desire for strong government control over the means.

You still aren’t reading the definition, or anything else on the subject for that matter, which is why YOU can’t reconcile it.

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Woof!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

This thread, in one .gif:

http://i.imgur.com/pnkCkXE.gif

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Ok we'll go with the lefty view of socialism where it's official state ownership.

Ascription, no one has said that.

Because anything short of that is totally free market evil capitalism, because effective ownership just doesn't meet the standard.

Ascription, no one has said that, or intimated it.

That's because "You're wrong, nuh uhhhhh socialism is WONDERFUL UNICORN FARTS!!! Mean government is right wing!!" doesn't really explain much.

Ascription, no one has said that, or intimated it.

Other than every definition out there.

They don’t and that’s why you haven’t provided one quote that says what you say it says.

I'm not ignoring any of it.

Substitution of your opinion isn’t a definition.

You and the other unicorn fart clowns are the only people ignoring part of the definition. You lot focused on the word ownership, totally ignoring the rest of the definition and then refuse to think at all about what ownership means.

Substitution of your opinion isn’t a definition.

You and the dog came close but then started bullshitting about control and how it's somehow not the same and not really control when it's warm fuzzy controls for the greater good.

Ascription and falsehood.

If socialism isn't any political theory that advocates government ownership over the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods and services, like websters and britannica say it is, then what is it???

It is exactly as it says it is…….

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

In just one post, props!

#ascription, #selective reading, #opinion, #making things up.

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

You still aren’t reading the definition, or anything else on the subject for that matter, which is why YOU can’t reconcile it.

Woof!

I'm not the one making the insane claims that anarchism which is abhorrent of all government authority, is compatible with social leftism and economic socialism which are staunchly pro-government control.

It is exactly as it says it is…….

In just one post, props!

#ascription, #selective reading, #opinion, #making things up.

Woof!

And what is a collective with the power and authority to take ownership (control) from the individual in the name of the collective?

What about the collective force used for all the social changes the left is so fond of?

That collective however you want to label it, with the power to enforce social change policy (leftism) and take ownership over the means (socialism) is the effective government or governmental authority.

Something anarchism is by definition directly opposed to.

Definition of anarchism
1
: a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism


Against all forms of government authority?? Free association? It could not be more anti-left or anti socialism.

 

[richard_daily]

I'm not the one making the insane claims that anarchism which is abhorrent of all government authority, is compatible with social leftism and economic socialism which are staunchly pro-government control.

Again, you're having a serious issue with comprehension.

Your issue, as has been explained to you dozens of times, is that you have an insane claim of what SOCIALISM is.

You are using an incorrect definition, and that's where all of these issues are coming from for you.

 

[richard_daily]

Something anarchism is by definition directly opposed to.

Definition of anarchism
1
: a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism


Against all forms of government authority?? Free association? It could not be more anti-left or anti socialism.

You don't understand what "left" is either.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are using an incorrect definition, and that's where all of these issues are coming from for you.

So if Webster and Britannica are wrong post a correct one.

I'm betting it's not anti-government.

You don't understand what "left" is either.

I'm just going off the definition you provided way back near the beginning of the thread.

If it's not advocating policy that pursues social and economic equity then what the fuck is it?

Sure as fuck isn't pursuing freedom of association or voluntary cooperation.

 

[richard_daily]

I'm just going off the definition you provided.

If it's not advocating policy that pursues social and economic equity then what the fuck is it?

The left espouses egalitarianism. The right espouses social control.

That's the dictionary definition.

You can make up any other definitions that you want, it wouldn't be the first time.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The left espouses egalitarianism.

LOL since the fuck when?

The left fucking hates egalitarianism....they want equity.

The right espouses social control.

So does the left.

That's the dictionary definition.

Not until you cite the dictionary it's not.

 

[richard_daily]

LOL since the fuck when?

The left fucking hates egalitarianism....they want equity.

Since the French Revolution.

Not until you cite the dictionary it's not.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.[1][2][3][page needed][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism), as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4](p693, 721)[5][6][7][8][9][page needed] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

 

[BotanyBoy]

Since the French Revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

LOL, so what's with all the equity bullshit the left pushes like affirmative action, redistribution of wealth, setting double standards for 'disadvantaged' classes or demographics (fuck white guys) aka social justice instead of equality??

Why are they so pro socialism if they give 2 pumps of rat shit about equality?

Equality is what the left wing sells....kinda like the republicans with their "minimal government!!" bullshit.

Social and economic equity is what they are after.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

That doesn't say the right espouses social control.

It says the right doesn't like to pursue equity. It supports letting losers lose and winners win instead of giving the losers trophies too.

Which is spot on and less full of shit than the BS'ers writing about the left wanting equality LOL, what blatant fucking liars.

Equality LMFAO!!!

 

[oggbashan]

Repeat post #424 ad infinitum...

And again...

 

[Hypoxia]

My mother was an ice cream socialist and it killed her. Really.

My partner and I were in a cafe across from the fortress-like Spanish Embassy in Antigua Guatemala leeching off their WiFi when I got an email from my sister in Arizona saying Mom had keeled-over at an ice cream social in Oregon. My other sister in New York got the word too. None of us bothered going to the funeral. We had issues.

Anyway, ice cream socialists want to take all your ice cream. Resist.

 

[KimGordon67]

A law of nature defeats anarchism: Power Abhors A Vacuum. When power is not held, someone will seize and exercise it. Anarchy is fanasy. If anarchists ever take over, they'll all be shot the next day by an organized force. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I wonder about this ... it's one of the main reasons I don't adhere to anarchy as a political possibility ... because humans.

 

[KimGordon67]

Note that he didn't do it.

I think 'evidence' brings him out in hives or something ... he clearly has some sort of allergy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think 'evidence' brings him out in hives or something ... he clearly has some sort of allergy.

Not at all. I'm just not interested in trying to unbrinwash people who think the left does not want more government power and control, as they are providing definitions that say that's what the left wants and actively asking for/advocating more government power and control. LOL

You lot are too far gone.

I don't hate, lots of folks loooooove the nanny state wiping their ass.

I just wish they would all move the fuck out of the USA instead of trying to turn the USA into the Soviet States of America.

 

[Rightguide]

Not at all. I'm just not interested in trying to unbrinwash people who think the left does not want more power and control, as they are asking for more power and control.

You lot are too far gone.

Those brains washed in dogmatic bullshit may be too soiled to wipe.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Those brains washed in dogmatic bullshit may be too soiled to wipe.

They want socialism and social justice!!! Equity for all!!!

But that's totally not asking for more government control and power at all.......

People will just do it voluntarily! LOL

I think Daily REALLY thinks that shit while he WONT EVEN DO IT HIMSELF.

 

[richard_daily]

That doesn't say the right espouses social control.

It says the right doesn't like to pursue equity. It supports letting losers lose and winners win instead of giving the losers trophies too.

Which is spot on and less full of shit than the BS'ers writing about the left wanting equality LOL, what blatant fucking liars.

Equality LMFAO!!!

Hint: Social order and social control are intertwined.

The right wants to tell you what god to pray to, what a woman should do with their body, what drugs they put in your body (including mary jane), what skin color should be where, that poor people "deserve it", mandatory minimums, the "broken windows" theory, etc etc etc...

"Tough on crime" IS social control.

I'm sure you get that though, right?


Right?

 

[oggbashan]

...

"Tough on crime" IS social control.

I'm sure you get that though, right?


Right?

I think you are expecting too much.

 

[richard_daily]

I wonder about this ... it's one of the main reasons I don't adhere to anarchy as a political possibility ... because humans.

Utopia is possibly a pipe dream, but there is something better than what we currently have.

 

[richard_daily]

I think you are expecting too much.

Probably. I expect adults to act rational. That may be asking too much in this case.