It is not ok to be a bigot, even if bigoted against all the right things

[BoyNextDoor]

So never having heard of Antifa before I am trying to get a handle on it. I have to say what I have learned so far makes me think that they are not a group that should be associated with any sort of progressivism, socialism, social consciousness or forward thinking politics.

If Prof. Mark Bray of Dartmouth is in fact accurately speaking for the movement, then they should be condemned.

Violence and angry mob based tactics for shutting down First Amendment Rights is down right un-American.

 

[zipman]

So never having heard of Antifa before I am trying to get a handle on it. I have to say what I have learned so far makes me think that they are not a group that should be associated with any sort of progressivism, socialism, social consciousness or forward thinking politics.

If Prof. Mark Bray of Dartmouth is in fact accurately speaking for the movement, then they should be condemned.

Violence and angry mob based tactics for shutting down First Amendment Rights is down right un-American.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[BB4evah]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1456950

But the DUMZ and LIBZ and REPOZ support em

 

[Sean]

Personally, I have no problem with kicking the shit out of Nazis.

 

[domroger]

Personally, I have no problem with kicking the shit out of Nazis.

This ^

 

[Wrong Element]

So never having heard of Antifa before I am trying to get a handle on it. I have to say what I have learned so far makes me think that they are not a group that should be associated with any sort of progressivism, socialism, social consciousness or forward thinking politics.

If Prof. Mark Bray of Dartmouth is in fact accurately speaking for the movement, then they should be condemned.

Violence and angry mob based tactics for shutting down First Amendment Rights is down right un-American.

My sense is that the Antifa people aren't really involved in "politics." These are the children and younger siblings of the crowd who raised hell in Seattle at the WTO in 1999.

As long as they're content to stand there and look tough as a deterrent, I don't have a problem with them. And I am enjoying that so many righties are freaking out over this very small contingent, shades of their hysteria over the couple dozen people in the New Black Panther Party.

But groups like Antifa will always attract an element looking for an excuse to break shit. Those who would associate too closely with them would do well to remember that.

I'll repeat my years-old complaint that too many on the left tend to confuse demonstrations, marches, protests etc. with accomplishing something politically. Conservatives don't have the same sort of protest culture, but they vote much more reliably, and the result is House Speaker Paul Ryan and President Donald Dumbass.

 

[AnAmericanDarling]

Like I always say, I'd rather be a Socialist than a Republican.

 

[Phelia]

Why read read actual eye-witness accounts or make any sort of good faith effort to have any idea what the fuck you're talking abouy when it's so much easier just to further the false narrative that benefits our hateful idiot president and his army of white supremacist supporters?

I think we found the "but her emails!" of 2017.

I suppose it is counterproductive to fight Nazis if you're just going to be backstabbed to death by "moderate" "liberals."

 

[EternalFantasies]

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[sr71plt]

I'm a Charlottesville local. And I've gone over the accounts very well, including talking to several who were there in counterdemonstration. What can't be avoided, and is included in the very first eyewitness account you give, is that the counterdemonstrators were there, at the park (their permits weren't for that park--they were for two adjacent parks--or for the time they showed up) before either the alt-right demonstrators or the police showed up--and they blocked access to the alt-righters to the park they had a permit to demonstrate in. So, no matter how the rest of it went down, the counterdemonstrators started the melee by block entry to a legal assembly. The alt-right just didn't mind fighting, of course; it's what they'd hoped they'd be doing anyway and most assuredly were hoping they could sucker the counterdemonstrators into doing.

That said, after what the alt-right did the night before, I would have pulled their permit altogether--and that they arrived with guns, I would also have pulled their permit altogether as well. And the police did pretty much that. They just didn't arrive early enough and in force enough to get control.

The Charlottesville people mistakenly welcomed outside help, which included groups that were there for the fight as much as the alt-right was. The difference is that all of the alt-right people were armed and itching to fight and only a small fraction of the counterdemonstrators were (but enough to realize the goals of both alt-righters and what folks are calling the Antifa).

I would agree with Trump that there were some not-so-fine folks in the counterdemonstrators. I wouldn't agree that there were any fine, let alone decent, folks in the white supremacist ranks, which included everyone in the alt-right group. And I wouldn't agree that the blame is anywhere close to equal. The alt-rights get 80 percent of the blame in my book. (I have the belligerent outside groups taking advantage of the counterdemonstration, the inadequate response of the police, and the Charlottesville City Council for screwing it all up to begin with the other 20 percent between them).

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I'm a Charlottesville local. And I've gone over the accounts very well, including talking to several who were there in counterdemonstration. What can't be avoided, and is included in the very first eyewitness account you give, is that the counterdemonstrators were there, at the park (their permits weren't for that park--they were for two adjacent parks--or for the time they showed up) before either the alt-right demonstrators or the police showed up--and they blocked access to the alt-righters to the park they had a permit to demonstrate in. So, no matter how the rest of it went down, the counterdemonstrators started the melee by block entry to a legal assembly. The alt-right just didn't mind fighting, of course; it's what they'd hoped they'd be doing anyway and most assuredly were hoping they could sucker the counterdemonstrators into doing.

That said, after what the alt-right did the night before, I would have pulled their permit altogether--and that they arrived with guns, I would also have pulled their permit altogether as well. And the police did pretty much that. They just didn't arrive early enough and in force enough to get control.

The Charlottesville people mistakenly welcomed outside help, which included groups that were there for the fight as much as the alt-right was. The difference is that all of the alt-right people were armed and itching to fight and only a small fraction of the counterdemonstrators were (but enough to realize the goals of both alt-righters and what folks are calling the Antifa).

I would agree with Trump that there were some not-so-fine folks in the counterdemonstrators. I wouldn't agree that there were any fine, let alone decent, folks in the white supremacist ranks, which included everyone in the alt-right group. And I wouldn't agree that the blame is anywhere close to equal. The alt-rights get 80 percent of the blame in my book. (I have the belligerent outside groups taking advantage of the counterdemonstration, the inadequate response of the police, and the Charlottesville City Council for screwing it all up to begin with the other 20 percent between them).

So notwithstanding your analysis of "no matter how the rest of it went down...," you ascribe 80% of the blame to the alt-right. Alllllrighteee then.

"Your honor, if it please the court, the defense elects to exercise a peremptory challenge to juror number eight."

 

[EternalFantasies]

So notwithstanding your analysis of "no matter how the rest of it went down...," you ascribe 80% of the blame to the alt-right. Alllllrighteee then.

"Your honor, if it please the court, the defense elects to exercise a peremptory challenge to juror number eight."

I'm not sure I understand this.

I thought he assigned most of the blame to the alt left.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm not sure I understand this.

I thought he assigned most of the blame to the alt left.

Nope. The alt-right decided to come to town with guns and started it off with a Nazi-style illegal march (and beat down) on the UVa grounds the day before intentionally terrorizing an American city. It's their bad and they all should be deported. It's just fine that social media is tracking them down and shining light on them in their communities and jobs.

If you two clowns would like to take some of the blame for being white supremacist jackasses, I'll let you have 15 percent of the blame too.

 

[RobDownSouth]

If you ever wondered how YOU would have reacted in Germany in the 1930s well here is your chance to find out.

Amen.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Nope. The alt-right decided to come to town with guns and started it off with a Nazi-style illegal march (and beat down) on the UVa grounds the day before intentionally terrorizing an American city. It's their bad and they all should be deported. It's just fine that social media is tracking them down and shining light on them in their communities and jobs.

If you two clowns would like to take some of the blame for being white supremacist jackasses, I'll let you have 15 percent of the blame too.

The part the colonel emboldened confused me. Alone it seemed like that.

Look I agree the aggressive fashion they protest and showing discontent with the statue removal all being too much maybe illegal etc.

Bt it's up to law enforcement, not the people to take matters in their own hands, coz it is setting a precedent, and it's exactly what the financiers of these left movements want...

The wise thing was to let them show what they are, then organize a counter protest showing how much more people disagree, send a peaceful message etc.

They had their wn removing te statue, why come in looking for confrontation?

 

[sr71plt]

Bt it's up to law enforcement, not the people to take matters in their own hands, coz it is setting a precedent, and it's exactly what the financiers of these left movements want...

The wise thing was to let them show what they are, then organize a counter protest showing how much more people disagree, send a peaceful message etc.

They had their wn removing te statue, why come in looking for confrontation?

I fail to see how any of this (except the last--they can't remove the statues yet; it's against Virginia law to do so; they have to get the law changed first) differs from what I've been posting about this since it happened.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Personally, I have no problem with kicking the shit out of Nazis.

The problem is that Antifa labels anyone a nazi that does not agree with their positions.

 

[EternalFantasies]

I fail to see how any of this differs from what I've been posting about this since it happened.

Then you must place most of the blame on the alt left.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Personally, I have no problem with kicking the shit out of Nazis.

As long as they are actual Nazis I'm all kinds of game.

Posers talking shit (D)'s don't like =/= actual Nazis.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Nope. The alt-right decided to come to town with guns and started it off with a Nazi-style illegal march (and beat down) on the UVa grounds the day before intentionally terrorizing an American city. It's their bad and they all should be deported. It's just fine that social media is tracking them down and shining light on them in their communities and jobs.

If you two clowns would like to take some of the blame for being white supremacist jackasses, I'll let you have 15 percent of the blame too.

"Paging EternalFantasies....."

Yo, EF...any questions about that attribution?? "Deportation" of American citizens, no less. Now there's a legal remedy of staggering intellectual prowess, no?

 

[EternalFantasies]

"Paging EternalFantasies....."

Yo, EF...any questions about that attribution?? "Deportation" of American citizens, no less. Now there's a legal remedy of staggering intellectual prowess, no?

Oh believe you me I noticed...

I just ignore those parts to keep the convo on point.

But yea. Hope they don't deport them to where he said 'he owned foreign assets to run to once shit hits the fan'.

 

[nowisthetime]

Many of the right wing posters on the GB live in a racial bubble. They do not know any person of color except for the person who takes their orders over the counter.

They haven't fucked, married, dated, or even befriended a person of color. So it is hard for them to sympathize with a person of color's plight.

They solely exist to piss off LIBRULS. They hate LIBRULS more than anything.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Many of the right wing posters on the GB live in a racial bubble. They do not know any person of color except for the person who takes their orders over the counter.

They haven't fucked, married, dated, or even befriended a person of color. So it is hard for them to sympathize with a person of color's plight.

They solely exist to piss off LIBRULS. They hate LIBRULS more than anything.

The fact that you see it that way, and with such assertion, goes to say these things about you, not anyone else.

 

[sr71plt]

Then you must place most of the blame on the alt left.

Well, no. You seem to be the one who is confused by what I posted. That's your problem, not mine, mainly because you give me the impression you want to be confused.

Most likely you're just one of the white supremacist trolls using multiple alts on irrelevant discussion boards to push your hate agenda.

This is unlike "colonel" H, who is trying to be the political guru on an erotica Web site--maybe in training to actually post to a Web site relevant to what he wants to be the resident guru about.

In either case, you're both just freeloader parasitic drones posting impotently to an irrelevant Web site. Meh.

 

[Phelia]

I'm a Charlottesville local. And I've gone over the accounts very well, including talking to several who were there in counterdemonstration. What can't be avoided, and is included in the very first eyewitness account you give, is that the counterdemonstrators were there, at the park (their permits weren't for that park--they were for two adjacent parks--or for the time they showed up) before either the alt-right demonstrators or the police showed up--and they blocked access to the alt-righters to the park they had a permit to demonstrate in. So, no matter how the rest of it went down, the counterdemonstrators started the melee by block entry to a legal assembly. The alt-right just didn't mind fighting, of course; it's what they'd hoped they'd be doing anyway and most assuredly were hoping they could sucker the counterdemonstrators into doing.

That said, after what the alt-right did the night before, I would have pulled their permit altogether--and that they arrived with guns, I would also have pulled their permit altogether as well. And the police did pretty much that. They just didn't arrive early enough and in force enough to get control.

The Charlottesville people mistakenly welcomed outside help, which included groups that were there for the fight as much as the alt-right was. The difference is that all of the alt-right people were armed and itching to fight and only a small fraction of the counterdemonstrators were (but enough to realize the goals of both alt-righters and what folks are calling the Antifa).

I would agree with Trump that there were some not-so-fine folks in the counterdemonstrators. I wouldn't agree that there were any fine, let alone decent, folks in the white supremacist ranks, which included everyone in the alt-right group. And I wouldn't agree that the blame is anywhere close to equal. The alt-rights get 80 percent of the blame in my book. (I have the belligerent outside groups taking advantage of the counterdemonstration, the inadequate response of the police, and the Charlottesville City Council for screwing it all up to begin with the other 20 percent between them).

Emancipation Park is a public space and the counter-demonstrators had a legal right to be there. The Nazis did not have a permit to show up armed to the teeth and use force against people, period. The people to blame for violence are the people who commit the act of violence, period (and that holds true for anyone, although it is clear from eye-witness accounts, video, and Heather Heyer's death as the result of an act of domestic terrorism that it was the white supremacist/KKK/Nazi groups who were largely the instigators).

But thank you for giving Nazi-apologist (really, I'm shocked) Colonel Hogan something to glom onto as he desperately pushes Daddy's "both sides!!" narrative.