ALT-Left?

[Lancecastor]

PC Pussies and Angry Nazi americans should have a big cage match tv series competition hosted by barrack and donald and simon cowell and heidi klum for the Next Potus.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For progressives, Donald Trump is not just another Republican president. Seventy-six percent of Democrats, according to a Suffolk poll from last September, consider him a racist. Last March, according to a YouGov survey, 71 percent of Democrats agreed that his campaign contained “fascist undertones.” All of which raises a question that is likely to bedevil progressives for years to come: If you believe the president of the United States is leading a racist, fascist movement that threatens the rights, if not the lives, of vulnerable minorities, how far are you willing to go to stop it?

In Washington, D.C., the response to that question centers on how members of Congress can oppose Trump’s agenda, on how Democrats can retake the House of Representatives, and on how and when to push for impeachment. But in the country at large, some militant leftists are offering a very different answer. On Inauguration Day, a masked activist punched the white-supremacist leader Richard Spencer. In February, protesters violently disrupted UC Berkeley’s plans to host a speech by Milo Yiannopoulos, a former Breitbart.com editor. In March, protesters pushed and shoved the controversial conservative political scientist Charles Murray when he spoke at Middlebury College, in Vermont.

As far-flung as these incidents were, they have something crucial in common. Like the organizations that opposed the Multnomah County Republican Party’s participation in the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, these activists appear to be linked to a movement called “antifa,” which is short for antifascist or Anti-Fascist Action. The movement’s secrecy makes definitively cataloging its activities difficult, but this much is certain: Antifa’s power is growing. And how the rest of the activist left responds will help define its moral character in the Trump age.

Those responses sometimes spill blood. Since antifa is heavily composed of anarchists, its activists place little faith in the state, which they consider complicit in fascism and racism. They prefer direct action: They pressure venues to deny white supremacists space to meet. They pressure employers to fire them and landlords to evict them. And when people they deem racists and fascists manage to assemble, antifa’s partisans try to break up their gatherings, including by force.

Such tactics have elicited substantial support from the mainstream left. When the masked antifa activist was filmed assaulting Spencer on Inauguration Day, another piece in The Nation described his punch as an act of “kinetic beauty.” Slate ran an approving article about a humorous piano ballad that glorified the assault. Twitter was inundated with viral versions of the video set to different songs, prompting the former Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau to tweet, “I don’t care how many different songs you set Richard Spencer being punched to, I’ll laugh at every one.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

Truth...

When we pick a group and condone their violence, we create a CTRL-Left vigilante paramilitary force, which is something we have seen in Latin America and South America. When it is okay for one side to do it, then it becomes a moral imperative for the other side to protect itself.

 

[KimGordon67]

Y'all know they invented this thing called the 'world wide web', eh? It's an amazing source of information - you should check it out.

Alt-left isn't a thing anyone actually aligns themselves with - it's an invention. (I think you're probably thinking of antifa, a term that has a specific history.)

Alt-right appears to have been created by this dude - it's an actual movement that people align with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

CTRL-Left can be joined via: RefuseFascism.org

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

...

Instead of commenting on how white racists supposedly flock to Donald Trump, we should be discussing how black racists and Antifa thugs supported Hillary and continue to support Democrats. Even more importantly, we should call out how Democrats support violence and white nationalism.

When a Bernie fan tried to commit mass murder against Republican congressmen, we rightly didn't blame Bernie, and the media buried the story before we even knew if we'd be burying Rep. Scalise – who thankfully survived. Yet now the media are blaming Trump because some folks who say they like him, and whom he's never said he likes, were violent. If Bernie isn't responsible for his fans, why is Trump responsible for his?

When BLM fans target cops, we don't condemn all the Democrats who support BLM. It's amazingly hypocritical for the media to attack Trump for not condemning the Alt-Right enough while Democrats actively endorse the Alt-Left: Antifa and BLM.

...

Tom Trinko

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...he_wrong_people_for_racism.html#ixzz4q0VxaZmX

 

[KimGordon67]

I posted this elsewhere earlier this evening, but it seems relevant here too:

I think we can all agree that the alt-right have some fundamentally racist opinions, and in many instances, some fairly unpleasant views towards those who don't share their ethnic/national background. Many seem to happily adopt the signifiers of the Nazi party, so it's not really a leap to assume that's the political ideology they're aligning themselves with.

And I think we can also agree that the 'alt-left'/antifa group are opposed to the actions of groups such as this, and seem to be taking an 'any means necessary' approach - not something I necessarily agree with, although I'm sympathetic to the political position.

Let's be clear though - the antifa side of the equation don't do this against a defined ethnic group - they do it against groups of people who define themselves on the basis of wishing ill towards other groups. They're anti-facist, not anti-Jew or anti-Black - they're anti an ideology, not a specific ethnic group.

So, if one group wishes ill on particular peoples, at what point is OK to exercise violence in resistance to their ideology? When does that hatred stop being 'free speech' and become 'a clear risk to society/specific groups'?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You need to go look at their website...


It is as if you are advocating for them. Soros is funding them for one reason, and one reason only, it's how he makes his wealth, he finances destabilizing elements in every country and then makes currency bets. Antifa is not fighting the Alt-Right, thay are trying to bring down the government.

 

[KimGordon67]

You need to go look at their website...


It is as if you are advocating for them. Soros is funding them for one reason, and one reason only, it's how he makes his wealth, he finances destabilizing elements in every country and then makes currency bets. Antifa is not fighting the Alt-Right, thay are trying to bring down the government.

Whose website?

If I had to choose between the two extremes, then yeah, I'd probably go with the ones who don't carry Nazi regalia and chant racist crap.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The one I posted.


Your contention that they are targeting the .01% of the population that is supported by no one is a simple lie by omission. They have been targeting all conservatives and President Trump as well as corporate America (Except for the new robber barons, who help finance them, see my thread). But, by focusing only on the minority of their targets because that one is particularly loathsome, then, you in effect, condone their behavior which will only enhance their prestige on the national stage encourage them to more violence.

Both sides are wrong and hateful, but the side you are defending is waxing and gathering a lot of support from the rich and powerful while the one you are attacking is waning and has been waning sans allies for a very long time.

 

[KimGordon67]

The one I posted.


Your contention that they are targeting the .01% of the population that is supported by no one is a simple lie by omission. They have been targeting all conservatives and President Trump as well as corporate America (Except for the new robber barons, who help finance them, see my thread). But, by focusing only on the minority of their targets because that one is particularly loathsome, then, you in effect, condone their behavior which will only enhance their prestige on the national stage encourage them to more violence.

Both sides are wrong and hateful, but the side you are defending is waxing and gathering a lot of support from the rich and powerful while the one you are attacking is waning and has been waning sans allies for a very long time.

"all conservatives" ... that's a lot of people. "corporate America" ... that's a big thing.
Define 'targeting'.

You've posted a few links - I don't know which one you're referring to.

 

[Lancecastor]

The word "nazi" has been a joke for 70 years, so i say give them free tiki torches.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Post #29.


The main goal of your heroes is to bring the country to a standstill over Trump.

This is why they get such good press and the indulgence funding of those who bribe them to look the other way, those "New Robber Barons."

Nobody, but nobody supports the white nationalist nutters, but everyone is supporting anarchy because of one incident and one unfortunate death, even you...

 

[KimGordon67]

Post #29.


The main goal of your heroes is to bring the country to a standstill over Trump.

This is why they get such good press and the indulgence funding of those who bribe them to look the other way, those "New Robber Barons."

Nobody, but nobody supports the white nationalist nutters, but everyone is supporting anarchy because of one incident and one unfortunate death, even you...

This is why I hate debating on the GB - no one seems to be able to resist twisting words. I quite explicitly said "not something I necessarily agree with, although I'm sympathetic to the political position".

I don't understand how being opposed to what happened in Charlottesville is 'supporting anarchy' - that's just a silly statement that has no actual evidence. This sort of hyperbole is another reason the GB irritates me. Is no one on the conservative side capable of maintaining a rational argument based around logic?

 

[KimGordon67]

What is it I'm meant to finding on here that's going to shock me so much?

CTRL-Left can be joined via: RefuseFascism.org

 

[Lancecastor]

This is why I hate debating on the GB - no one seems to be able to resist twisting words. I quite explicitly said "not something I necessarily agree with, although I'm sympathetic to the political position".

I don't understand how being opposed to what happened in Charlottesville is 'supporting anarchy' - that's just a silly statement that has no actual evidence. This sort of hyperbole is another reason the GB irritates me. Is no one on the conservative side capable of maintaining a rational argument based around logic?

It's never too late to post your tits.

 

[KimGordon67]

It's never too late to post your tits.

They're not going to convince anyone of anything.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This is why I hate debating on the GB - no one seems to be able to resist twisting words. I quite explicitly said "not something I necessarily agree with, although I'm sympathetic to the political position".

I don't understand how being opposed to what happened in Charlottesville is 'supporting anarchy' - that's just a silly statement that has no actual evidence. This sort of hyperbole is another reason the GB irritates me. Is no one on the conservative side capable of maintaining a rational argument based around logic?

You've done it to me.

Here's the deal. In the past we've started threads about the Antifa's violence against conservatives, not all of them Alt-Right, but all of that passed in silence from the same people who are now outraged at the white nationalists. But I'm with Ogg on this one, if the few, the pathetic, the vast hate-wing minority had simply been ignored and their route surrounded by the national guard, then there would have been no opportunity for violence. No media coverage would be nice to, the problem is that the media and the intellectual class have been on a witch-hunt for their war on whites, white privilege, white supremacy and white violence in order to make America more Nihilistic and afraid to say anything, to speak up, to employ free speech.

Now, everyone seems they think they have the absolute proof of this fairy tale and they are making the most of this moment and using an unfortunate death to launch a political crusade. Unlike Islamic terrorism, we see the seeds being sown that everyone who will not engage in this political purge is actually supporting white nationalism, instead of the correct interpretation, we abohor all violence, even the violence of the CTRL_Left.

 

[zipman]

This is why I hate debating on the GB - no one seems to be able to resist twisting words. I quite explicitly said "not something I necessarily agree with, although I'm sympathetic to the political position".

I don't understand how being opposed to what happened in Charlottesville is 'supporting anarchy' - that's just a silly statement that has no actual evidence. This sort of hyperbole is another reason the GB irritates me. Is no one on the conservative side capable of maintaining a rational argument based around logic?

You're having a conversation with a right wing extremist who doesn't care about the truth, facts, logic or what your actual position is.

Liberals/democrats are his "enemies" and he will twist anything he can to try and "win" some points in his ongoing "war" against them.

Just an FYI.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It is a path that I believe we do not want to go down as a nation.

The white nationalists are truly reprehensible, but if they are doing nothing to trigger action by the state, i.e., law enforcement, then to turn your frustration at their very existence into a position of, violence against them is acceptable because of what this tattered remnant of the past two centuries represent, then what group is next targeted for violence? If at any point we say this group has justification because we disapprove of that group, then we are, in actuality, retreating back into the history of the past two centuries.

 

[Rightguide]

At least they don't run over peaceful protesters with their cars and go on murderous rampages because they are 'mad at the world'.

No, you ambush elected representatives of the opposition on baseball fields and shoot them.

 

[RobDownSouth]

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The white nationalists are truly reprehensible, but.....

^^^AJ's core philosophy in a nutshell.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, you ambush elected representatives of the opposition on baseball fields and shoot them.

How very cosmopolitan and sporting.

 

[Rightguide]

You've done it to me.

Here's the deal. In the past we've started threads about the Antifa's violence against conservatives, not all of them Alt-Right, but all of that passed in silence from the same people who are now outraged at the white nationalists. But I'm with Ogg on this one, if the few, the pathetic, the vast hate-wing minority had simply been ignored and their route surrounded by the national guard, then there would have been no opportunity for violence. No media coverage would be nice to, the problem is that the media and the intellectual class have been on a witch-hunt for their war on whites, white privilege, white supremacy and white violence in order to make America more Nihilistic and afraid to say anything, to speak up, to employ free speech.

Now, everyone seems they think they have the absolute proof of this fairy tale and they are making the most of this moment and using an unfortunate death to launch a political crusade. Unlike Islamic terrorism, we see the seeds being sown that everyone who will not engage in this political purge is actually supporting white nationalism, instead of the correct interpretation, we abohor all violence, even the violence of the CTRL_Left.

Sadly, even your yeoman's effort at simple truth will be lost amidst the buzzing din of robotic dance routines of left wing automatons would up by the media.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Sadly, even your yeoman's effort at simple truth will be lost amidst the buzzing din of robotic dance routines of left wing automatons would up by the media.

Truth?

Who speaks of truth anymore? As I have been saying for a long time, it is "The Story." It is a narrative in search of examples and it brings strange allies together.

 

[zipman]

Sadly, even your yeoman's effort at simple truth will be lost amidst the buzzing din of robotic dance routines of left wing automatons would up by the media.

LMAO - simple truth???

There is no war against whites.

Just like there is no war against Christmas.