The American Taliban/Isis.

[Rightguide]

I wonder if there are any statues of Senator Robert Byrd scheduled to be torn down by the left? How about Harry Truman? Just asking.

 

[phrodeau]

I wonder if there are any statues of Senator Robert Byrd scheduled to be torn down by the left? How about Harry Truman? Just asking.

Why Harry Truman, hmmmmmm?

 

[richard_daily]

double post

 

[richard_daily]

I read where the SJW's want to dynamite Stone Mountain. Right up there with the demand that monuments, statues, busts, plaques be destroyed and street names changed.

And I couldn't help but think back to the Taliban destroying the Great Buddha's and Isis' wholesale destruction of the Mesopotamian antiquities. So that's exactly what you are in my estimation, just a bunch of homegrown Taliban/Isis wannabe's.

I fully expect you SJW's to come pouring in with all sorts of justifications and rationalizations, but the Taliban and Isis had their justifications and rationalizations too. So have at it, justify and rationalize and continue to prove to me, and many others, that you are no different than the Taliban or Isis.

Ishmael

The taliban and isis are conservative religious organizations that wants to return to the "old ways" of doing things. They want women, gay people, and other minorities in their place, and they are willing to use violence to accomplish it.

Sounds a like more like the tea party and Drumphers than anyone on the left.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Laura Ingraham is asking how long before they do the same to Mt. Vernon and Monticello (no info leftists will need to Google those words) and burning books.

A couple of faces on Mount Rushmore need to be erased...

 

[Wrong Element]

Emmerson, there is a big difference between the .01% of the population that cling to the ideologies of the two centuries past and the 30% (which may be a low estimate) of the population that are embracing the ideals of socialism, the ideas that have produced such mass movements as Fascism and Nazis. The Taliban/ISIS are nothing more than that with a less secular religion driving them.

In all cases, they all, as pointed out in the OP, had their justifications for cleansing the culture of its past sins.

You equate a dead movement with a dynamic and growing movement.

That should be avoided.

You believe these Confederate monuments were built with the purpose of remembering our "past sins?"


Removing them isn't a whitewashing of history; the fact that they have ever existed IS the whitewashing.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I believe they were erected to show pride in the way the soldiers fought and to honor the dead and their sacrifice, not why they fought.


The problem here is the focus on slavery as being the sole cause of the war.

It wasn't.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The problem here is the focus on slavery as being the sole cause of the war.

It wasn't.

It was a significant engine behind it, though. America's wealth was built by it.

Trying to downplay it won't erase the stain. Acknowledge the ugliness and come to terms with traitor monuments being in history museums where they properly belong.

 

[irksomesauce]

The Klan used to assemble there for rallies in the 1910-1920s. That's when the carving started. Like 4est_4est_Gump, though, they were always long on hatred but short on money, so the carving sat about 1/3 finished for a half century after being in the Klan lost it's allure.

The state of Georgia bought the mountain and turned it into a park. The back side of the mountain was one of the largest lovers lanes in the world circa 1970 of so. They restarted and finished the carving (reduced scale, only half of the horses the traitors rode on) about 1968 or so if I recall correctly.

You mean "The Klan" that was created by southern Democrats after the Civil War as a "social group", but "quickly changed into a violent group that terrorized newly empowered black and white Republicans in the South"?

That KKK?

Can you share with us the Democratic Party's shameful involvement with the KKK over the years of its existence?

If, then, the KKK is to be demonized to the point of eradication, shouldn't the Democratic Party be eradicated, too, for its unarguable role in the KKK?

What about the racist Franklin Delano Roosevelt - you know, the Democrat icon who enslaved American citizens at the outbreak of WWII, denying them all of their constitutional rights in doing so?

When will you communists begin demanding the eradication of FDR from American history, too?


[http://www.politifact.com/virginia/...en-stephen-martin-says-democratic-party-cre/]

 

[RobDownSouth]

I wonder if there are any statues of Senator Robert Byrd scheduled to be torn down by the left? How about Harry Truman? Just asking.

Classic Balance Fallacy.
"The other side does it toooooooo, Mom!"

I believe they were erected to show pride in the way the soldiers fought and to honor the dead and their sacrifice, not why they fought.

Virtually all of these statues were erected in the 1910-1925 timeframe, which just happened to neatly coincide with the passage of Jim Crow laws.
"Separate but equal", y'know?

The problem here is the focus on slavery as being the sole cause of the war.

It wasn't.

Nobody is saying that slavery was the SOLE cause of the war, that's simply you mooooooving the goalposts. Slavery was, however, the MAJOR cause of the war, no matter how many times you latter-day revisionists attempt to reinterpret it otherwise.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You mean "The Klan" that was created by southern Democrats after the Civil War as a "social group", but "quickly changed into a violent group that terrorized newly empowered black and white Republicans in the South"?
That KKK?
Can you share with us the Democratic Party's shameful involvement with the KKK over the years of its existence?
If, then, the KKK is to be demonized to the point of eradication, shouldn't the Democratic Party be eradicated, too, for its unarguable role in the KKK?
What about the racist Franklin Delano Roosevelt - you know, the Democrat icon who enslaved American citizens at the outbreak of WWII, denying them all of their constitutional rights in doing so?
When will you communists begin demanding the eradication of FDR from American history, too?
[http://www.politifact.com/virginia/...en-stephen-martin-says-democratic-party-cre/]

I'm absolutely willing to admit that conservative Democrats had a major role in the founding of the Klan.

I'm amused that you are attempting to retrofit today's current political makeup on yesterday's political parties. Conservative Democrats and Dixiecrats no longer exist, I think Scoop Jackson and Robert Byrd were the last of them. All conservatives (social and financial) operate within the confines of the Republican party (and their looney tunes Glibertarian outliers).

Nice try though. You might want to look up some of the original Vettebigot's posts on the subject, he was the undisputed master of "but...but...Democrats founded the Klan!" blather.

 

[hsnh]

I don't know much about the historical significance of all these monuments they're trying to tear down,

But I'm confused as to why never during Obama

 

[irksomesauce]

How about Margaret Sanger, infamous racist eugenicist, who presence is celebrated by innumerable progressive entities, progressive entities, e.g., who create and dole out numerous awards and salutations in her name to this day?

Progressive Margaret Sanger who once told a colleague, “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population..."

Will you communists demand the eradication of Margaret Sanger and ALL similar progressive pos from American history, too...

...or are your communist/progressive heroes simply more "privileged"?

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif

 

[phrodeau]

I don't know much about the historical significance of all these monuments they're trying to tear down,

But I'm confused as to why never during Obama

Why what? Many Civil War symbols and monuments were removed while Obama was in office.

 

[Aglaopheme]

You believe these Confederate monuments were built with the purpose of remembering our "past sins?"


Removing them isn't a whitewashing of history; the fact that they have ever existed IS the whitewashing.

There's plenty of evidence as to who is really trying to whitewash history. That is exaxtly what I was thinking about while reading this thread.

 

[hsnh]

Why what? Many Civil War symbols and monuments were removed while Obama was in office.

Well, if so I haven't heard as much loud hoo- ha as now. Or under Bush or Clinton either. Which to an outsider is striking.

I'm impartial in all this btw,
in that my only "criticism" is about the fact that almost every change in regime in History (regardless of side) operated in the same way: tear down the previous monuments, and erect their own.

 

[phrodeau]

Well, if so I haven't heard as much loud hoo- ha as now. Or under Bush or Clinton either. Which to an outsider is striking.

I'm impartial in all this btw,
in that my only "criticism" is about the fact that almost every change in regime in History (regardless of side) operated in the same way: tear down the previous monuments, and erect their own.

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/confederate_statue_removal_in.html

Confederate statue removal in New Orleans turns nasty
Updated on March 25, 2016 at 10:06 AM Posted on March 25, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Backlash against a plan to remove prominent Confederate monuments in New Orleans has been tinged by death threats, intimidation and even what may have been the intentional torching of a contractor's Lamborghini.

For now, at least, things have gotten so nasty the city hasn't found a contractor willing to bear the risk of tearing down the monuments. The city doesn't have its own equipment to move them and is now in talks to find a company, even discussing doing the work at night to avoid further tumult.

Initially, it appeared the monuments would be removed quickly after the majority black City Council on Dec. 17 voted 6-1 to approve the mayor's plan to take them down. The monuments, including towering figures of Gens. Robert E. Lee and P.G.T. Beauregard, have long been viewed by many here as symbols of racism and white supremacy.

Nationally, the debate over Confederate symbols has become heated since nine parishioners were killed at a black church in South Carolina in June. South Carolina removed the Confederate flag from its statehouse grounds in the weeks after, and several Southern cities have since considered removing monuments.

"There is no doubt that there is a huge amount of rage over the attack on Confederate symbols," said Mark Potok with the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based group that tracks extremist activity.

 

[irksomesauce]

Predominantly Black Dallas Group Forms To Protect Confederate Monuments

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – The debate about Confederate statues in Dallas intensified on Monday as a group made up of predominantly African Americans called for the monuments to remain standing.

Several cities across America have now begun to remove or talk about removing Confederate markers shortly after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville turned deadly.

Former city council member Sandra Crenshaw thinks removing the statues won’t help.

“I’m not intimidated by Robert E. Lee’s statue. I’m not intimidated by it. It doesn’t scare me,” said Crenshaw. “We don’t want America to think that all African Americans are supportive of this.”

Crenshaw, along with some Buffalo Solider historians and Sons of Confederate Veterans are coming together to help protect the Confederate markers from toppling over in Dallas.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/08/14/dallas-group-forms-to-protect-confederate-monuments/

The draconian problem with all communist manifestos is their intent is to completely quash all differing opinions with their unacceptable outright use of illegal force and violence.

NO FORCE - NO VIOLENCE
LET FREEDOM OF SPEECH RING!​

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Looks like "draconian" is the new "progressive" in Flameout Boy's comeback tour!

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif

 

[Emerson40]

Emmerson, there is a big difference between the .01% of the population that cling to the ideologies of the two centuries past and the 30% (which may be a low estimate) of the population that are embracing the ideals of socialism, the ideas that have produced such mass movements as Fascism and Nazis. The Taliban/ISIS are nothing more than that with a less secular religion driving them.

In all cases, they all, as pointed out in the OP, had their justifications for cleansing the culture of its past sins.

You equate a dead movement with a dynamic and growing movement.

That should be avoided.

Guump, there is a big difference between what you see outside your wee window, and what can be seen out in the world.

Let's first take a look at ISIS and the Taliban.

The Taliban came about from the seeds sown by the US in Afghanistan, during the Reagan administration, to fight the Soviets who where looking for a foothold in the region. The US, along with the Saudis and Pakistan funded and armed the Mujahedeen (whom the Taliban evolved from).

ISIS (or Daesh) is the bastard love child of the US and the Saddam's forces, who were left jobless after the US invasion of Iraq.

Neither of those groups evolved from the Qur'an.

Now let's look at the tiki-torch brown shirts, the KKK and white supremacists with their chants of 'Fuck you faggots', 'Jews will not replace us', and 'Go the fuck back to Africa'. Their history is rooted in the Southern US, the current movement embracing Nazism and their symbols sure, but the ideologies and angry hate is the same ol' brand of prejudice and bigotry.

What is common between all these groups is that they use fear and violence, and seek to oppress minorities, women, other races, and gay and lesbian people.

They are all extremist hate groups, who will go to violent extremes to further their cause.

They all also wrap themselves in a fundamental, extremist cloak of their religion. ISIS and the Taliban using Islam, the KKK and white supremacists using Christian Fundementalism, although most Christian denominations have denounced them.

The shitheel who drove the Challenger into the crowd committed an act of domestic terrorism, by every definition of the word. He even backed up some, to give himself a running start.
Would it make a difference to you if he received training to drive the car in Florida?


I equate the movements because when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

The fact that the President hasn't denounced the hate group in Charlottesville, and even sympathized with them during his Q& A yesterday, is a sad, sad thing. That you are not bothered by this, well that is just sadder.
There are some things that can't be broken down into left / right, Republican / Democrat, Hillary / Trump. They are just wrong. Hate and violence is wrong, no matter the team colours worn by those perpetrating the hate and violence.


Back to your post... your numbers are just silly. As I said earlier, look beyond the view outside your window.

There are about 1.6 billion, almost a quarter of the world's population, adherents of Islam. Muslims. Not terrorists, Muslims.

Just shy of 1/3 of the world are Christian, in all its varied denominations.


How come you are able to differentiate between a small group of white, Republican white supremacist right-wing fundies and all the other white, peaceful Christian Americans, and unable to differentiate between Daesh and other fundamental Islamists, and peaceful Muslims?


That is what should be avoided.


Do yourself a favour and learn about Islam from scholars of Islam, and Muslim sources, instead of right-wing websites and Fox and Friends.

Do yourself another favour and get out in the world and travel some. I truly believe you will gain a better understanding about yourself, and appreciate what it means to be American, when you see how the rest of the world sees and thinks of you.

 

[richard_daily]

Great post. I predict that it will fall on deaf ears, but you can only lead a horse to water.

Guump, there is a big difference between what you see outside your wee window, and what can be seen out in the world.

Let's first take a look at ISIS and the Taliban.

The Taliban came about from the seeds sown by the US in Afghanistan, during the Reagan administration, to fight the Soviets who where looking for a foothold in the region. The US, along with the Saudis and Pakistan funded and armed the Mujahedeen (whom the Taliban evolved from).

ISIS (or Daesh) is the bastard love child of the US and the Saddam's forces, who were left jobless after the US invasion of Iraq.

Neither of those groups evolved from the Qur'an.

Now let's look at the tiki-torch brown shirts, the KKK and white supremacists with their chants of 'Fuck you faggots', 'Jews will not replace us', and 'Go the fuck back to Africa'. Their history is rooted in the Southern US, the current movement embracing Nazism and their symbols sure, but the ideologies and angry hate is the same ol' brand of prejudice and bigotry.

What is common between all these groups is that they use fear and violence, and seek to oppress minorities, women, other races, and gay and lesbian people.

They are all extremist hate groups, who will go to violent extremes to further their cause.

They all also wrap themselves in a fundamental, extremist cloak of their religion. ISIS and the Taliban using Islam, the KKK and white supremacists using Christian Fundementalism, although most Christian denominations have denounced them.

The shitheel who drove the Challenger into the crowd committed an act of domestic terrorism, by every definition of the word. He even backed up some, to give himself a running start.
Would it make a difference to you if he received training to drive the car in Florida?


I equate the movements because when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

The fact that the President hasn't denounced the hate group in Charlottesville, and even sympathized with them during his Q& A yesterday, is a sad, sad thing. That you are not bothered by this, well that is just sadder.
There are some things that can't be broken down into left / right, Republican / Democrat, Hillary / Trump. They are just wrong. Hate and violence is wrong, no matter the team colours worn by those perpetrating the hate and violence.


Back to your post... your numbers are just silly. As I said earlier, look beyond the view outside your window.

There are about 1.6 billion, almost a quarter of the world's population, adherents of Islam. Muslims. Not terrorists, Muslims.

Just shy of 1/3 of the world are Christian, in all its varied denominations.


How come you are able to differentiate between a small group of white, Republican white supremacist right-wing fundies and all the other white, peaceful Christian Americans, and unable to differentiate between Daesh and other fundamental Islamists, and peaceful Muslims?


That is what should be avoided.


Do yourself a favour and learn about Islam from scholars of Islam, and Muslim sources, instead of right-wing websites and Fox and Friends.

Do yourself another favour and get out in the world and travel some. I truly believe you will gain a better understanding about yourself, and appreciate what it means to be American, when you see how the rest of the world sees and thinks of you.

 

[Lancecastor]

I'd like to hear more about Emerson's travels to Afghanistan.

 

[hsnh]

Now what serious poster would read a post c&p - ed by the most stupid stalker on Lit,
whose only contributions to the forum are:
to start threads about penises and vaginas or what he ate that day, to stalk people with gifs and pics, and to emote and bat his eyelashes over 'injustice'?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Emmerson, when was the last time white nationalists defenestrated gays off of rooftops?


Quit employing the fallacy of false expertise. I have spent much time reading the Koran, the Haddiths and the words of Muslim leaders. The white nationalist movement is tame compared to the antics of the people in Gaza and on the West Bank, just for an example of the tolerance and peaceful intentions of a religion you seem to hold dear.


Again, if the Left would have just turned its back on them and ignored them, then the opportunity for violence would have been nil, but they cam spoiling for a fight has events since the election of Trump, or should I may more properly say, the loss of a third Obama term, and have been causing violence wherever they go.


By the numbers: https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/08/12/is-charlottesville-whats-really-going-on-in-the-usa/

.01% vs 10% active and another 30-40% according to polling in the regions of Islam sympathetic to the Jihad against the West. There is no evidence of any sympathy for the losers of the white power movement; no polling, nothing.

 

[BB4evah]

Judge suspended after comparing protesters to ISIS


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