Charlottesville was Soros and EXTREMELY dangerous

[Desiremakesmeweak]

The people who were there pretending to be on one side or the other are LITERALLY, and I mean literally as in it is an organised group of trained people, the same people who messed around in Ukraine in the so-called 'Euro-Maidan' revolution.

This is a major turn in events inside the US and needs to be clamped down on fast by the FBI and all arms of government. It's dangerous, it's deadly, it's grossly illegal and it ISN'T authentic anything except organised agitation and violence designed to create false 'public movements' and fake 'civil unrest' and inflame emotions by stealth.

It is provably, FACTUALLY the case that this Charlottesville riot was provoked by an organised group funded by George Soros and that includes complete foreigners who WERE active in the Ukraine when they got rid of the government there.

It's highly organised to the extent of having people in 'content farm ' offices lobbying entities like FB and YT to close down journalists and reporters who are covering the facts.

I doubt very much whether the DOJ is going to fail to pick this up and you might find a few public disclosures soon. And charges beyond just the people who broke laws during the incident.

 

[sr71plt]

The people who were there pretending to be on one side or the other are LITERALLY, and I mean literally as in it is an organised group of trained people, the same people who messed around in Ukraine in the so-called 'Euro-Maidan' revolution.

You must be smoking some really powerful stuff.

 

[Wrong Element]

Louise Mensch is on Lit now? Cool.

 

[pointless]

you know no one, and i mean fucking no one, gives a shit what you think, right?

 

[oggbashan]

Whether they were Soros or not, there is a small minority in almost every major demonstration - for or against whatever cause - who are there to cause violence. The anti-capitalist protestors who go to every G7 meeting, or meetings of Finance Ministers, or other trade conference between nations have attracted many dedicated violent people who just want to wreck property, fight the Police and cause legitimately peaceful protestors to be ignored.

It has become so prevalent in Europe that many organisations will NO LONGER organise a march or demonstration because they know there will be orchestrated violence.

Some organisations, particularly those with very limited public support, encourage violence to get more media coverage of their cause. Some UK far right and far left parties deliberately schedule a demonstration or march in a sensitive location to attract opponents. They WANT to start a riot but they can't do that without opponents. Some racist organisations in the UK know that even if they can only get a couple of dozen people supporting their cause, they can attract an opposing crowd of hundreds and portray themselves as victims of intolerant aggression.

 

[jaF0]

The people who were there pretending to be on one side or the other are LITERALLY, and I mean literally as in it is an organised group of trained people, the same people who messed around in Ukraine in the so-called 'Euro-Maidan' revolution.

Bad mushroom milk in your coffee this morning?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Funny.

Groups like the Tea Party and Glenn Beck's movement managed to have peaceful protests where none of their members came looking for violence. That might be the difference between true grassroots conservative movements and the funded actions of professional protestors and their community organizers...

 

[Lancecastor]

Fish license? It's people like you what cause unrest.

 

[richard_daily]

Funny.

Groups like the Tea Party and Glenn Beck's movement managed to have peaceful protests where none of their members came looking for violence. That might be the difference between true grassroots conservative movements and the funded actions of professional protestors and their community organizers...

Oddly enough, you've got it right, but you just have the actors mixed up.

87,000 people at glen beck's rally. Most of them brought in on free buses. They were hoping for 300,000.

In your world of wacky math, the Beck's rally was a success.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Louise Mensch is on Lit now? Cool.

Louise Mensch is such an interesting person - so smart, and so damn dumb too. If she could only get those two things in the right order, in the right context...

 

[hsnh]

I didn't want to put it in the heated threads, so I'll put it here:
I failed to understand the logic of the Charlottsville demonstrators :


1.The part about being upset over the power structures decision to tear down statues -- that part is perfectly understandable.


2.But why carry nazi symbols while demonstrating against the decision?

- Wouldn't that just reinforce the public's bias against the generals represented by the statues, so to speak? That would be just counterproductive and dumb.

- The only alternative explanation - in case we were dealing with more sane people - would be that those signs were more of a parody?

 

[hsnh]

Whether they were Soros or not, there is a small minority in almost every major demonstration - for or against whatever cause - who are there to cause violence.

The anti-capitalist protestors who go to every G7 meeting, or meetings of Finance Ministers, or other trade conference between nations have attracted many dedicated violent people who just want to wreck property, fight the Police and cause legitimately peaceful protestors to be ignored.

It has become so prevalent in Europe that many organisations will NO LONGER organise a march or demonstration because they know there will be orchestrated violence.

Some organisations, particularly those with very limited public support, encourage violence to get more media coverage of their cause. Some UK far right and far left parties deliberately schedule a demonstration or march in a sensitive location to attract opponents. They WANT to start a riot but they can't do that without opponents. Some racist organisations in the UK know that even if they can only get a couple of dozen people supporting their cause, they can attract an opposing crowd of hundreds and portray themselves as victims of intolerant aggression.

(( I don't agree with the OP - just enjoying the trivias ))

It's also a subversive tactic employed by many.
Ie the Occupy Wall Street movement.
It transpired that some people were planted in order to agitate or even destroy property.
With the overall intent of delegitimizing the movement in the eyes of the public.

 

[oggbashan]

(( I don't agree with the OP - just enjoying the trivias ))

It's also a subversive tactic employed by many.
Ie the Occupy Wall Street movement.
It transpired that some people were planted in order to agitate or even destroy property.
With the overall intent of delegitimizing the movement in the eyes of the public.

There doesn't need to be a deliberate 'planting' of people. There are some who will go to any rally because it can be an excuse for violence. They used to do it at football matches. Some still do particularly in Russia and Turkey, but others have extended their activity to any public demonstration. The cause is unimportant to them. All they want is confrontation with the Police and the opportunity to hurt people.

 

[jaF0]

They used to do it at football matches.

There was a term for them ... hooligans? Was that it?

 

[hsnh]

There doesn't need to be a deliberate 'planting' of people. There are some who will go to any rally because it can be an excuse for violence. They used to do it at football matches. Some still do particularly in Russia and Turkey, but others have extended their activity to any public demonstration. The cause is unimportant to them. All they want is confrontation with the Police and the opportunity to hurt people.

Good point.

Which is why people should be more careful when they analyze such incidents.

Too often one sees emotional accusations and generalizations ("All Democrats or Republicans are violent and dangerous" and so on) whenever violence disrupts any demonstration.




(I'm not referring to incidents around radical organizations like White Power and so on, of course).

 

[oggbashan]

There was a term for them ... hooligans? Was that it?

There still is. They are football hooligans and they are active around some particular football clubs, less so in the UK than they used to be because of active targeting by the Police, but they can cause trouble. Certain football matches are known to be high risk - Celtic v Rangers in Scotland is an example.

Millwall football club has an unofficial slogan 'No one likes us. We don't care.'

http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/468000/556468.jpg

This is a biased report from a dubious news source:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...Hooligans-Someone-Likes-Us-Euro-2016-Football

 

[sr71plt]

I didn't want to put it in the heated threads, so I'll put it here:
I failed to understand the logic of the Charlottsville demonstrators :


1.The part about being upset over the power structures decision to tear down statues -- that part is perfectly understandable.


2.But why carry nazi symbols while demonstrating against the decision?

- Wouldn't that just reinforce the public's bias against the generals represented by the statues, so to speak? That would be just counterproductive and dumb.

- The only alternative explanation - in case we were dealing with more sane people - would be that those signs were more of a parody?

Because the point of the demonstration was to exhibit the alt-right movement's president-encouraged strength as broadly as possible. It wasn't really about a statue. (Duh)

 

[oggbashan]

Because the point of the demonstration was to exhibit the alt-right movement's president-encouraged strength as broadly as possible. It wasn't really about a statue. (Duh)

It doesn't have to be about anything. Holding a rally anywhere that is likely to arouse the opposition is enough. Organising it for somewhere sensitive is better than doing it in a place with no associations.

That is true for whatever cause.

Anti-Muslim? Outside a mosque.
Anti-Jew? Outside a synagogue.
Muslim jihadists - anywhere with large crowds that is a symbol of Western decadence in their terms - pop concert; fashion show; night club; bar; sports event...

 

[hsnh]

Because the point of the demonstration was to exhibit the alt-right movement's president-encouraged strength as broadly as possible. It wasn't really about a statue. (Duh)

Well, that makes sense, thx.
So it actually wasn't about the statues.

I haven't followed the news tbh, because at that point it seemed rel. insignificant to me given the small no. of demonstrators.
I saw it either as a demonstration that went out of hand, or a gathering by bunch of thugs.

Much more interesting were for me the ripple effects: all those liberals and conservatives at each others' throats. Shows how tense things are in the US.

 

[sr71plt]

It doesn't have to be about anything.

That's irrelevant to this situation. This demonstration was about something. And it was about something bigger than a Civil War statue. They (alt-right spokesmen) have constantly said so; it's not a secret.

 

[oggbashan]

That's irrelevant to this situation. This demonstration was about something. And it was about something bigger than a Civil War statue. They (alt-right spokesmen) have constantly said so; it's not a secret.

I think you misunderstood me. Yes - the rally, demonstration or whatever is about an ISSUE. But where it is held doesn't have to be relevant to that issue. It is better, from the organisers' point of view, if there is some relevance that will annoy others, but it isn't essential. Just holding the event can be enough.

 

[sr71plt]

Where the Charlottesville riot was held was very much relevant. Earlier the mayor of Charlottesville, a small, progressive, rich, university city, much listed for ideal living in the States and the home to three presidents prominent in the formulation of the American system--Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe--had declared Charlottesville as the "capital of resistance" to the alt-right in the United States. It very much mattered that the alt-right show force in Charlottesville--probably more than anywhere else.