CinC Trump Bans Transgenders In The Military

[Rightguide]

Wow, who knew that Benedict Arnold and David H. Petraeus were trans?



Ah, I see, it was all because of trans people in serving in the military.

Go back and read my post. I said "provide some evidence for your BS., not, "Provide some more BS"

Listen up dick head, the entire openly gay and transgender military issue were an Obama plan to bring harm to the structure and budget of our military. Partly to bring HIV treatment and transgender surgery under government finance and to destroy the good order and discipline in the ranks. His whole motivation was to destroy and reshape the core values of the United States officer corps to make sure they were "politically" motivated and to make the world safe from an American military that for all intents and purposes could not be deployed.

Obama, like his father, believed and still believes our military and the United States of America as founded are the biggest threat to world peace.

I don't need to re-read your shit, I've come to know what you're going to say before you say it.

 

[Disgustipated]

Listen up dick head, the entire openly gay and transgender military issue were an Obama plan to bring harm to the structure and budget of our military. Partly to bring HIV treatment and transgender surgery under government finance and to destroy the good order and discipline in the ranks. His whole motivation was to destroy and reshape the core values of the United States officer corps to make sure they were "politically" motivated and to make the world safe from an American military that for all intents and purposes could not be deployed.

Obama, like his father, believed and still believes our military and the United States of America as founded are the biggest threat to world peace.

I don't need to re-read your shit, I've come to know what you're going to say before you say it.

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[BotanyBoy]

Individual rights? Let's see:

1. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Those are all specific constraints placed upon the government to protect individual rights.

Learn to read.

Establishment of religion - not individual.
Freedom of the press - not individual.
Peaceful assembly - not individual.
Petition for grievances - not individual.

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[Aglaopheme]

I'm waiting for the jiffy pop to explode.

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[cowslinger64]

Sorry I'm a liberty loving capitalist and not a control freak socialist.



Most of those things I don't usually mention my own views, just ridicule others for theirs and you assume I'm whatever opposite (usually R) flavor you want to ascribe me.

My views on the transgender issue is that they should be able to serve as long as the meet all the same standards, physical fitness standards being relevant should be according to biological sex not psychological identity standards. Combat arms still rockin' a high and tight...no long hair.




You can't you're just wrong.



And you're still wrong....why do you think it's so hard to make money?? My soil yard is killing it man...sold almost 3 million bucks worth of shit this year so far. Yep, I sell cow shit, worm shit, fish shit and fungal wood chip compost. Plus I own some property around they bay area which brings in an upper middle class income on it's own.

You want to know what the hardest part of making good money is?

Getting permission from the federal and California government to do so.

Thankfully I got a world class training in how to work US bureaucracy from Army life and VA bullshit, it's been the single most valuable skill I picked up in the military by far.

Making money is easy.....getting your shit together so the man doesn't come fuck you up for it isn't. As a business owner, especially one in agriculture and waste management, the government is my biggest fucking enemy...number 1 threat.

Try looking at politics through that lens if you can, and my shit will not sound crazy to you.

You got the shit part right..

megalomania
[meg-uh-loh-mey-nee-uh]
noun
Psychiatry.a symptom of mental illness marked by delusions of greatness, wealth, etc.
an obsession with doing extravagant or grand things.

Your opinions are ridiculous, selfish and shortsighted . They only sound crazy when you're on one of your rants.

I'm sure we'll butt heads again.. Last shot here is yours tho.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

There's a subtle difference between being "banned" and not permitted to serve while being openly transgender.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Here is the way this was reported two years ago:

Military readies plans to lift ban on transgender personnel,
July 13, 2015

That ban in fact never was lifted, therefore Trump has banned no one. They were always banned and for the forseeable future will continue to be banned (as well they should be in my opinion).

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

The 'suicide rate' argument is fundamentally flawed on a number of grounds. But let's just go with that logic for a moment. In the US, men are 3-5 more likely to commit suicide than women. So I guess we should also exclude men from military service?

Please expand upon this; on which specific grounds is the "suicide rate" argument flawed?

Recent research is pretty clearly demonstrating that issues like suicide are higher among the trans population because of discrimination and marginalisation, not something that's inherent to being trans. 'Discrimination and marginalisation' would include things ... like, hmmm? ... maybe excluding a particular group from serving in the military?

Please provide that recent (evidence based) research which demonstrates trans suicide is due to marginalization. I keep hearing this but I have never seen actual evidence.

 

[dan_c00000]

That ban in fact never was lifted

Except for when it was.

Besides we already know that transgender people were already serving in the military. We know this because military people have asked and have already had their genders changed by the military.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Except for when it was.

Besides we already know that transgender people were already serving in the military. We know this because military people have asked and have already had their genders changed by the military.

The Advocate is wrong.

Of course transgenders are serving now and will continue to serve. They just have to "present" themselves as their biological sex and be addressed as such.

The real issue here, the real point is funding. The military will not pay for treatments and surgery. That some were about to slips some through is no surprise, but the gravy train is over. The former Scertary of Defense was not fit for his position and as an academic really was interested in social engineering. New secretary now, those days are over...

 

[Nipples_Mcgee1]

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Here is the way this was reported two years ago:

Military readies plans to lift ban on transgender personnel,
July 13, 2015

That ban in fact never was lifted, therefore Trump has banned no one. They were always banned and for the forseeable future will continue to be banned (as well they should be in my opinion).

Trump's language on transgender serving in the military suggests to many that transgender would be actively sought for discharge from service. Whether or not this is true remains to be seen. However, estimates range up to around 15k for the number of transgender currently serving. As you say, they only could not present themselves as transgender prior to 2016.

The June 2016 lifting of the ban on transgender serving openly was reported outside of the Advocate. Here is a link to an article from Reuters.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/25/us-military-to-repeal-ban-transgender-personnel

 

[dan_c00000]

The Advocate is wrong.


The real issue here, the real point is funding.

Is the Department of Defense also wrong?

I've already shown you the link to the Bloomberg piece that stated that transgender care would cost 0.014% of Trump's military budget. CNN put it between 0.004% and 0.017% of the military budget. I've already linked to the RAND piece.

Additionally, for what it's worth the military spends more things money on erectile dysfunction medicine than it would for transgender service members. In other words boner pills are costing the DoD $76 million more than medical costs of transgender people.

Finally, why doesn't that that fancy new F-35 that went over-budget by $163 billion raise your ire?

 

[Que]

Those are pretty dumb comparisons. You're talking a relatively modest cost per service member versus large cost for a very few service members. Which would be the point which you're trying to obfuscate.

The F-35 is a boondoggle but what's your point? They're wasting money so they should waste some more? I think there are other platforms which are perfectly serviceable and don't favor the F-35 but that aside a multi-function jet is a much bigger force multiplier than any individual group of service members.

I think the Trump Administration making this about cost is politically stupid, but nothing you are saying refutes that.

You can't be a sniper if you wear corrective lenses. They could simply decide that they are going to let anybody in the military that does not have 20/20 uncorrected Vision. They would save quite a bit of money on eyeglasses.

 

[DumOH]

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[Disgustipated]

Q-#### and dizzyb00by waxing about transgenders is LOL.

 

[Que]

Q-#### and dizzyb00by waxing about transgenders is LOL.

"Is laugh out loud" what?

You and Rob trying to sound all inclusive and tolerant for the benefit of impressing the GB grrls is LOL funny. It is also funny as in queer, as in incongruent.

 

[dan_c00000]

You're talking a relatively modest cost per service member.

The F-35 is a boondoggle

Either you're 1. too stupid to grasp my point (if you can pay for boner meds why not pay for this stuff?) or 2. you're purposefully misconstruing it (the military wastes way more money every day so what's another $8 million or way less than 1% of the budget).

Like, it's literally basic arithmetic.

And, again, I'll point out depending on which estimate you use there could be as many as 15,000 transgender service members in the military. It's possible there are many more in the contractors the DoD uses.

 

[Hypoxia]

Like, it's literally basic arithmetic.

And it's exponentially more penny-ante that the Pentagon's 'normal' overruns and unaccounted-for cash. IIRC a few years ago the brass couldn't tell where a few dozen billions of bucks had gone. It couldn't ALL have been for Viagra.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Either you're 1. too stupid to grasp my point (if you can pay for boner meds why not pay for this stuff?) or 2. you're purposefully misconstruing it (the military wastes way more money every day so what's another $8 million or way less than 1% of the budget).

Like, it's literally basic arithmetic.

And, again, I'll point out depending on which estimate you use there could be as many as 15,000 transgender service members in the military. It's possible there are many more in the contractors the DoD uses.

Like, lets do some basic arithmetic, LITERALLY!!

15,000 transgender folks, average gender reassignment surgery is about 160k + 1500 a year in hormone therapy plus pay during the month off for surgery and several months they aren't working beyond getting big col. some coffee because recovering from their surgery. Let's just call that 50k.

210,000 x 15,000 = what Dan? Not 8 million.

Ruined, literally by basic arithmetic



Also...transgender folks are literally only 0.3% of the population, keeping things proportional there would only be 3850 in the military. Over 15,000 is a little more than hopeful, even for the SJW loonies much less anyone capable of basic arithmetic.

Ruined. Literally.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You got the shit part right..

megalomania
[meg-uh-loh-mey-nee-uh]
noun
Psychiatry.a symptom of mental illness marked by delusions of greatness, wealth, etc.
an obsession with doing extravagant or grand things.

Only a looser would consider being a farmer/shit slinger a delusion of greatness, wealth or extravagance.

You opinions are ridiculous, selfish and shortsighted .

Example??

They only sound crazy when you're on one of your rants.

They don't sound crazy at all unless you're part of the "I want free shit from the nanny state and I want them to keep you from doing any better than I'm capable off too!!" socialist loser.....like you.

I'm sure we'll butt heads again.. Last shot here is yours tho.

Run away just like vette when he said a bunch of shit he couldn't back up

You ever come up with any proof of the lies you spread about me? Yeaaaaa didn't think so.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Like, lets do some basic arithmetic, LITERALLY!!

15,000 transgender folks, average gender reassignment surgery is about 160k + 1500 a year in hormone therapy plus pay during the month off for surgery and several months they aren't working beyond getting big col. some coffee because recovering from their surgery. Let's just call that 50k.

210,000 x 15,000 = what Dan? Not 8 million.

Ruined, literally by basic arithmetic



Also...transgender folks are literally only 0.3% of the population, keeping things proportional there would only be 3850 in the military. Over 15,000 is a little more than hopeful, even for the SJW loonies much less anyone capable of basic arithmetic.

Ruined. Literally.

I'm curious where you're getting these numbers from.

 

[Ishmael]

Forget the money, it's the "time unavailable for duty" that's the kicker.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

"Is laugh out loud" what?

You and Rob trying to sound all inclusive and tolerant for the benefit of impressing the GB grrls is LOL funny. It is also funny as in queer, as in incongruent.

Yeah, like I'm really here to impress anyone. Also, have you noticed many girls in this thread? You're broken. It is, indeed, quite LOL.

 

[phrodeau]

Who figured out that 100% of transgender enlistees start surgery after joining up? I'd like to see that study.

 

[Ishmael]

Where did the 15K number come from?

Ishmael

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm curious where you're getting these numbers from.

From Dan and Google.