Which More Violent: Bible or Quran?

[sr71plt]

Not that the scientific method is given much credence in the Trump world, but here's the result of a scientific study of which book promotes more violence, the Bible or the Quran. Conclusion? The Bible shows both more anger and less trust than the Quran does. And when you take the New Testament out, the Old Testament is twice as violent as the Quran.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...han-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

So, the next time you Trumpettes lay the claim of Islam being violent at its foundation, especially in contrast with Christianity . . .

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Not that the scientific method is given much credence in the Trump world, but here's the result of a scientific study of which book promotes more violence, the Bible or the Quran. Conclusion? The Bible shows both more anger and less trust than the Quran does. And when you take the New Testament out, the Old Testament is twice as violent as the Quran.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...han-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

So, the next time you Trumpettes lay the claim of Islam being violent at its foundation, especially in contrast with Christianity . . .

So they're both violent at the foundation. Oh my god how did I not know this?

As an atheist I have far and away no love for either but my personal concern is less about the violence of their foundations than the violence of their current state. I will continue to claim as I always have that they are both violent and intolerant traditions.

Not that you've demonstrated yet that you can see the difference between paranoid Trumpettes and a Liberal legitimately concerned for those around the world oppressed by Islam.

 

[sr71plt]

Bullshit. I posted to folks like you only going after Islam only being about jihad and violence and forgetting to mention that Christianity is no better. You hide behind an openmindeness that isn't reflected in your posts. I was sure you'd post your narrow-mindedness to this thread. You had to throw up a lame defense for the indefensible. Stay tuned, though, there will be even crazier Trumpettes coming along soon to post.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Bullshit. I posted to folks like you only going after Islam only being about jihad and violence and forgetting to mention that Christianity is no better.

So they're both violent at the foundation.

I will continue to claim as I always have that they are both violent and intolerant traditions.

You hide behind an openmindeness that isn't reflected in your posts. I was sure you'd post your narrow-mindedness to this thread. You had to throw up a lame defense for the indefensible. Stay tuned, though, there will be even crazier Trumpettes coming along soon to post.

I think it's fairly clear at this point that you're not even reading my posts and I challenge you once again since you've ignored me twice before to point to said instances of my intolerance and narrow-mindedness.

 

[Chris_Michael]

I think it's fairly clear at this point that you're not even reading my posts and I challenge you once again since you've ignored me twice before to point to said instances of my intolerance and narrow-mindedness.

Yeah, it's like he doesn't even notice when you say anything about Christianity. It's weird. I wonder what's the reason for this madness.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Yeah, it's like he doesn't even notice when you say anything about Christianity. It's weird. I wonder what's the reason for this madness.

I want to know, that's why I keep asking him.

 

[Chris_Michael]

I want to know, that's why I keep asking him.

I swear to god, he is so delusional. He acts like we are saying that Christianity is better than Islam.

No, it's not. It's just that we're already in a mental battle over ideology with Christians. We fought to keep Creationism out of schools, to treat gay people with respect and understand that they cannot choose their sexuality, to not shame women for having an abortion... and we're still fighting over taxing churches, the Catholic Church covering for pedophiles, the Catholic Church teaching that birth control is bad (which causes the spread of HIV in the States and worldwide), and the list goes on and on.

The battle against Christianity is real. Whoever doesn't recognize it is just blinded by their tribalism.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I've never read the Q but the first testament is insane. That is not God.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

I've never read the Q but the first testament is insane. That is not God.

According to said Testament though, yes it is.

 

[Chris_Michael]

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[Chris_Michael]

Funny Youtube Channel - DarkMatter2525

 

[LincolnDuncan]

According to said Testament though, yes it is.

I recognize God in parts of the second testament but the first book is horrific.

 

[Comentarista82]

Oddly enough, this author's quote effectively sinks the point of the "study":

"I must also reemphasize that this analysis is superficial and the findings are by no means intended to be conclusive..."

Then what is the point? It appeared to me at first they were using structuralism to analyze the text but for the Bible one has to use hermeneutics.

Also, the comparison is flawed; one's comparing the Bible to the Quran, which comes from two different religions and sets of beliefs. If you really want to be taken seriously, compare perhaps a book of the Bible against another book of the Bible or say compare the authorized canon of scripture (1611 King James) against what Catholics consider Biblical canon (like the Douay-Rheims).

 

[TheWhiteBull]

I recognize God in parts of the second testament but the first book is horrific.

That's the thing about Religion though, you say it's one thing and someone else says it's another. I applaud you for having a personal god who doesn't condone the actions of the Old Testament one but I'm just not sure who you think is qualified to say what is/is not God. Or even if there's only one god, or any other question about it anybody could throw out there.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Oddly enough, this author's quote effectively sinks the point of the "study":

"I must also reemphasize that this analysis is superficial and the findings are by no means intended to be conclusive..."

Then what is the point? It appeared to me at first they were using structuralism to analyze the text but for the Bible one has to use hermeneutics.

Also, the comparison is flawed; one's comparing the Bible to the Quran, which comes from two different religions and sets of beliefs. If you really want to be taken seriously, compare perhaps a book of the Bible against another book of the Bible or say compare the authorized canon of scripture (1611 King James) against what Catholics consider Biblical canon (like the Douay-Rheims).

Agreed. Just searching for and finding words used in a text tells you nothing about how they were actually used in that text. I didn't really want to get quagmired down in that though since comparing Christianity and Islam is less like apples&oranges and more like shit&shit.

 

[Comentarista82]

Agreed. Just searching for and finding words used in a text tells you nothing about how they were actually used in that text. I didn't really want to get quagmired down in that though since comparing Christianity and Islam is less like apples&oranges and more like shit&shit.

I certainly agree it was an obvious apples/oranges comparison and thus be invalidated on that basis.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

That's the thing about Religion though, you say it's one thing and someone else says it's another. I applaud you for having a personal god who doesn't condone the actions of the Old Testament one but I'm just not sure who you think is qualified to say what is/is not God. Or even if there's only one god, or any other question about it anybody could throw out there.

I can only post what I believe based upon my experiences and what I've learned. God is infinite and therefore can't be experienced with the finite mind.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I recognize God in parts of the second testament but the first book is horrific.

Not really. The oldest parts date back to Sumer end are an interesting historical document. Others are bits and piece of Jewish history and religious beliefs. Quite fascinating when read in context. I read an article somewhere that mentioned that archeologists had found tha Yahweh was actually a local god of one specific Sumerian city. So you can't really do justice to the whole debate in a thread like this. Far too many facets. But comparisons between the Koran and the bible are fairly meaningless. It's the practical application that's relevant. Western society is largely secular with a judeo-Christian underpinning on top of Greek and roman classicism with a good leavening of info-aryan cultural roots. Islam is firmly rooted in the 7th century. Islamic countries are Islamic, pure and simple. Look at any Islamic country and compare to us. Case closed.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Not really. The oldest parts date back to Sumer end are an interesting historical document. Others are bits and piece of Jewish history and religious beliefs. Quite fascinating when read in context. I read an article somewhere that mentioned that archeologists had found tha Yahweh was actually a local god of one specific Sumerian city. So you can't really do justice to the whole debate in a thread like this. Far too many facets. But comparisons between the Koran and the bible are fairly meaningless. It's the practical application that's relevant. Western society is largely secular with a judeo-Christian underpinning on top of Greek and roman classicism with a good leavening of info-aryan cultural roots. Islam is firmly rooted in the 7th century. Islamic countries are Islamic, pure and simple. Look at any Islamic country and compare to us. Case closed.

God in the old testament is psychotic

 

[jaF0]

Which is more deadly, a .45 or a 9MM ?

 

[ChloeTzang]

God in the old testament is psychotic

That's a wild collection of different source material and periods. I've been reading some books on the sources of the bible and you can't do them justice here. God changes substantially thru the Old Testament. Psychotic? Well, the early Yahweh was a tribal god and times were different.

Now Eve for example can be traced back linguistically to the Sumerian goddess Ishtar I think it is. Fancy that. And "Adam" is sourced linguistically from "red earth man" which was that Neolithic burial practice where they coated bodies with red clay. Some of these little bits and pieces in the bible are remnants from the dawn of human history, perhaps dating back ato the end of the last ice age (Noah's flood). So a total mix spreading over thousands of years. Look at the time span - Christ was 2000 years ago, and that's remote to us. The Sumerians were 4000 years before Christ and parts of the bible like Noah's flood predate that - the flood was legend to the Sumerians. Psychotic? Nope, just a melange.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Which is more deadly, a .45 or a 9MM ?

Depends.

.45 makes a bigger hole
9mm has lower recoil and faster follow up shots and more magazine capacity

There's pros and cons to both. I prefer a 9mm coz of the recoil. I can control a 9mm handgun better. I can shoot a .45 but it's a lot harder and I'm not as accurate

Any particular reason you're asking?

 

[Chris_Michael]

Why didn't they compare the Bible vs. The Qaran and the Sunnah?

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Not really. The oldest parts date back to Sumer end are an interesting historical document. Others are bits and piece of Jewish history and religious beliefs. Quite fascinating when read in context. I read an article somewhere that mentioned that archeologists had found tha Yahweh was actually a local god of one specific Sumerian city. So you can't really do justice to the whole debate in a thread like this. Far too many facets. But comparisons between the Koran and the bible are fairly meaningless. It's the practical application that's relevant. Western society is largely secular with a judeo-Christian underpinning on top of Greek and roman classicism with a good leavening of info-aryan cultural roots. Islam is firmly rooted in the 7th century. Islamic countries are Islamic, pure and simple. Look at any Islamic country and compare to us. Case closed.

I think you're just a little confused here. Yahweh is a local adaptation of Baal Hadad, the storm god version of Baal, a Phoenician (Canaanite) god who was in turn closely related to Mesopotamian deities. For instance one of the now oldest extant references to Yahweh include a mention of his wife Asherah, traditional wife of Baal and Phoenician version of Ishtar. Baal's father El, king of the gods, also got synergized in there somehow too; El Shaddai, El Jirah, El Adonai.

 

[RunningJib]

I going with the bible

Book of Job. Revelations and the four horsemen