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Lancecastor said:
You're about to fly halfway across the country to fuck a GB troll with multiple attack alts...and you have the nerve to type this shit?

You're being had.
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Who is angry and bitter?

Have a trolltastic day, Lance. :rose:
 
jaF0 said:
... Earthquakes and property damage.




What will happen is that there will be more people, unemployed and destitute who will be humping and reproducing like rabbits because they don't have anything else to do.

Which may ultimately lead to less people because the machines will be culling the infestation. Even if only by attrition, since machines don't need food, so agriculture and associated industries will die off. Machines will be buying from machines.
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Only if your polity is to cannibalize Capital thusly decreasing wealth and returning people back to a pre-Industrial Revolution state where children are your retirement plan. As I pointed out, and evidence shows from Roman times to the state of the wealth of the current western nations, wealth and wealth creation result in lowered birthrates.
 
hsnh said:
Maybe I would have, when I was younger and I used to conceive time as linear. Some of our western concepts are so demoralising.

Trying to see History and and one's life path through the prism of time as a spiral is more rewarding.
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Interesting perspective. I'm not sure that even if time were circular, that would erase regret.
 
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4est_4est_Gump said:
No, not at all. First off Stalin and Mao were a return to the past. All Socialism is. As far as Science goes not only is it not settled but Science drives technology and technology, when left alone has developed cleaner energy sources. Take fracking which is producing cleaner-burning gas in great volume (and with abundant reserves) at a low cost.

Your last sentence is on the borderline of an ad hominem attack that has no place in a polite discussion. It would be very hard to argue against all tangible evidence, to wit, the great standard of living that we enjoy should end because Capitalism is some sort of great harm to the planet. Capitalism does not "destroy" its competition, it is just that the inefficiencies of the schemes to reign it in become apparent whenever they are applied. When you replace Capitalism with something like the recent Venezuelan experiment in government by Social Justice the you destroy wealth and you environment gets dirty and the people get poorer and lose their quality of life.
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Stalin and Mao both claimed their countries were in times of transition, is what I was referring to.

Fracking is only low cost if you factor out the damage it does, as Jaf0 pointed out. And science is pretty settled on an awful lot of stuff. Pretty sure the earth isn't flat, eg.

Not ad hominem; you have always defended profit against any and all objections. Ad hominem refers to the attempted refutation of an argument; I was only making an observation about you, not refuting anything fallaciously. You seem to confuse "ad hominem" with "insulting." Unless, for some reason, you're using the phrase literally, in which case, yes, my comment was about you, but then, why would it have no place in a polite discussion? There's nothing rude or insulting about saying "I see where some of your positions come from."

I don't think capitalism is, itself, harmful. The behavior of those who worship profit above all things is demonstrably harmful. Air pollution, acid rain, ocean acidification, agricultural runoff, these things are clearly harmful. They are, by and large, byproducts of someone's desire to obtain or retain capital. Thqt doesn't make capitalism harmful; it makes their behavior harmful.
 
Peregrinator said:
Interesting perspective. I'm not sure that even if time were circular, that would erase regret.
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Peregrinator said:
Interesting perspective. I'm not sure that evennif time were circular, that would erase regret.
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There are some who claim that since the French Revolution and postEnlightenment, our western culture took a too radical turn towards a cult of Rationality. Unlike other Eastern cultures.
--- The concept of time as being linear can be viewed in that way.
It claims that once gone, the past can't be recaptured, leading to concepts such as "need to accept personal responsibility" or "to act in a rational manner", and to regret and self- blame.
Concepts which are unhelpful, because life "happens" to most of us, and there's no such thing as a perfectly rational person.

Despite his faults, Plato's time as a spiral challenges those views. Nothing new when one views history in that way, since things repeat themselves.
--- But starting to view my own life trajectory and personal evolution in that way helped me stay positive and to move forward, instead of regretting ageing or unfullfilled dreams.
Seeing myself as going through similar circles of lived experiences, but at a higher level due to my accumulated wisdom.
 
hsnh said:
There are some who claim that since the French Revolution and postEnlightenment, our western culture took a too radical turn towards a cult of Rationality. Unlike other Eastern cultures.
--- The concept of time as being linear can be viewed in that way.
It claims that once gone, the past can't be recaptured, leading to concepts such as "need to accept personal responsibility" or "to act in a rational manner", and to regret and self- blame.
Concepts which are unhelpful, because life "happens" to most of us, and there's no such thing as a perfectly rational person.

Despite his faults, Plato's time as a spiral challenges those views. Nothing new when one views history in that way, since things repeat themselves.
--- But starting to view my own life trajectory and personal evolution in that way helped me stay positive and to move forward, instead of regretting ageing or unfullfilled dreams.
Seeing myself as going through similar circles of lived experiences, but at a higher level due to my accumulated wisdom.
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You have two spirals there, it seems; the larger spiral of capital-T Time and the smaller spiral, or maybe more solipsistic spiral, of hsnh-time. Which is not an objection, at all, just an observation.

I don't quite follow how linear time sense leads to needing to accept personal responsibility; isn't that what you're doing by applying gained wisdom every time you make a circuit on the spiral?
 
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