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The Putin Interviews by Oliver Stone on Showtime
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Putin doesn't make mistakes in interviews so I can't imagine there's anything in it worth watching. The guy is way too smart and experienced to give anything away that he doesn't want people to know.
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Well, reliable interviews or not, something of interest or not;
Fact is all Americans are being kept busy looking at the keys shaking in the right hand, while the left is doing it's thing ever so insidiously.
Any smart American who wants to be kept informed nonetheless, needs to currently turn to media like 'euronews', RT, etc. Watch international news media.
But in these interviews I did find the contrast Putin made with his leadership style versus the US one, and how his debt is relatively nothing. His spending is 60-70 billion on defense while the US is ten time more. etc.
Stone told him in the beginning: so you're like a CEO of Russia, you run it that way. He said yes. And he said they couldn't have come out of the chaos of transition to democracy and free market going exactly like the US system straight up, etc.
Was quite an interesting watch.
Fact is all Americans are being kept busy looking at the keys shaking in the right hand, while the left is doing it's thing ever so insidiously.
Any smart American who wants to be kept informed nonetheless, needs to currently turn to media like 'euronews', RT, etc. Watch international news media.
But in these interviews I did find the contrast Putin made with his leadership style versus the US one, and how his debt is relatively nothing. His spending is 60-70 billion on defense while the US is ten time more. etc.
Stone told him in the beginning: so you're like a CEO of Russia, you run it that way. He said yes. And he said they couldn't have come out of the chaos of transition to democracy and free market going exactly like the US system straight up, etc.
Was quite an interesting watch.
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Is that the one where he offers Comey political asylum?
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Americans aren't the only ones this key-shaking happens to. "Insidious" is a great word to use to describe the act.
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No that's yesterday.
Those interviews done by Oli Stone were from March 2015 upto last Feb.
You see Putin's comments before, during and after elections is what's also interesting.
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
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From what I've seen he does have a mocking sense of humor.
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It's hard not to smirk at how the US media is doing it's thing. I should post it in the CNN MSNBC thread and i will.
As for Putin's attitude, can one blame him? He keeps saying stuff like 'we often watch with amusement' at how especially during election cycles, US politicians start shooting off stuff about Russia and Putin, and in private discussions, they tell us (us = russians) 'don't bother with that campaign rhetoric, we don't really mean it'.
He also states many things on how he was against the coup on Gorbachev and how he opted to resign from the KGB who orchestrated it, and did not do like Snowden who whistleblowed. He thinks Snowden was wrong to do so, but that he is well intentioned and courageous and his life would be in danger by anyone if he's not given asylum, so he gave it.
As for Putin's attitude, can one blame him? He keeps saying stuff like 'we often watch with amusement' at how especially during election cycles, US politicians start shooting off stuff about Russia and Putin, and in private discussions, they tell us (us = russians) 'don't bother with that campaign rhetoric, we don't really mean it'.
He also states many things on how he was against the coup on Gorbachev and how he opted to resign from the KGB who orchestrated it, and did not do like Snowden who whistleblowed. He thinks Snowden was wrong to do so, but that he is well intentioned and courageous and his life would be in danger by anyone if he's not given asylum, so he gave it.
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I only watched the first episode but he seems honest and accurate with his assessments.
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I don't have Showtime, so I just cannot comment.
I mean, other than learning about an "enemy" is always a positive in your understanding of their motivations.
Additionally, I'm not one of those freaking out about,
A. Megyn interviewing Jones
~ or ~
B. The Leftist conspiracy that Jones is influencing Trump.
I mean, other than learning about an "enemy" is always a positive in your understanding of their motivations.
Additionally, I'm not one of those freaking out about,
A. Megyn interviewing Jones
~ or ~
B. The Leftist conspiracy that Jones is influencing Trump.
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He is linking various accurate statements indeed in his replies, and appears genuine.
He in the later episodes brings Stone into his operations room, and calls live by video conference the generals in Syria and asks them for an update.
AJ you consider Russia an enemy I suppose. I'm just worried about all the hockey players living among us (bloody spies
) we'd lose if they were indeed so.
He in the later episodes brings Stone into his operations room, and calls live by video conference the generals in Syria and asks them for an update.
AJ you consider Russia an enemy I suppose. I'm just worried about all the hockey players living among us (bloody spies
) we'd lose if they were indeed so.
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He brought Stone into the Orthodox church he "practically lives in". he's either in the Kremlin, or there.
He explained to Stone how the renaissance in Russia created a vacuum and how religion came back in to fill that gap.
That was very well put.
He explained to Stone how the renaissance in Russia created a vacuum and how religion came back in to fill that gap.
That was very well put.
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You can't possibly believe that.
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He does go often to church. He probably said 'practically live here' as an expression that he does it often.
Orthodox mass is very engaging and interesting with plenty of symbolism inside. Catholic mass has almost no symbols or icons, and relatively boring.
Give you an example: in orthodox mass, you eat a piece of risen bread, not a cookie, and it's dipped in wine.
Now that's a mass if you ask me
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He does go often to church. He probably said 'practically live here' as an expression that he does it often.
Orthodox mass is very engaging and interesting with plenty of symbolism inside. Catholic mass has almost no symbols or icons, and relatively boring.
Give you an example: in orthodox mass, you eat a piece of risen bread, not a cookie, and it's dipped in wine.
Now that's a mass if you ask me
He's a murderer. If he goes to church it's for show only.
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I am watching this now..... Interesting stuff!
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The Church has close ties with the Kremlin including the patronage of Vladimir Putin, who has mobilized religion both inside and outside Russian borders. In cultural and social affairs Putin has collaborated closely with the Church. Patriarch Kirill endorsed Putin's election in 2012, stating Putin's terms were like "a miracle of God." Steven Myers reports, "The church, once heavily repressed, had emerged from the Soviet collapse as one of the most respected institutions....Now Kiril led the faithful directly into an alliance with the state." Mark Woods provides specific examples of how the Kirill has backed the expansion of Russian power into Crimea and eastern Ukraine. More broadly the New York Times reports in September 2016 how that Church's policy prescriptions support the Kremlin's appeal to social conservatives:
"A fervent foe of homosexuality and any attempt to put individual rights above those of family, community or nation, the Russian Orthodox Church helps project Russia as the natural ally of all those who pine for a more secure, illiberal world free from the tradition-crushing rush of globalization, multiculturalism and women’s and gay rights."
While the ROC officially is critical of nationalism, critics of the church allege that it promotes anti-liberalism and is host to numerous groups that promote nationalist and anti-Western tendencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Under_Patriarch_Kirill
"A fervent foe of homosexuality and any attempt to put individual rights above those of family, community or nation, the Russian Orthodox Church helps project Russia as the natural ally of all those who pine for a more secure, illiberal world free from the tradition-crushing rush of globalization, multiculturalism and women’s and gay rights."
While the ROC officially is critical of nationalism, critics of the church allege that it promotes anti-liberalism and is host to numerous groups that promote nationalist and anti-Western tendencies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Under_Patriarch_Kirill
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It is not entirely kosher, however, the alternative the West offer isn't at all as well.
The solution is somewhere in between.
Look at it this way: You prefer your Canadian socialistic society that preserves certain securities and rights that a capitalistic environment might not offer and you can't lazy around with a joint when you'd like to. I totally hear you.
So, this capitalist corporation money run model, breaks families and traditions, reduces labor costs, increases product dependence (including pharma), increases debt and interest revenue, and consolidates stronghold over power and so on the long term.
Wait a sec. That's the Globalization world government that you and the late KingofOreos like. Hmmmm.. I'm confused. So it seems either with a socialistic Canadian model, or with a US capitalist one, both leading you to slavery. You're just blind to the Canadian one still.
Which makes what you posted about the Orthodox Church an 'opponent way' on the other side of sorts. With stronger traditions, stronger families, and thereby less dependence on the above mentioned, and... less money control over a world government, or one at all.
A meditative contemplation on this with a fat Jamaican-roll would be appreciated - and enjoyed - prior to reply. and btw, Putin never mobilized any religion in and/or out of the Russian border as you put it.
The people in Russia a very, very orthodox and the USSR's atheism made an adverse effect into them appreciating and getting further rooted in their religious traditions.
The solution is somewhere in between.
Look at it this way: You prefer your Canadian socialistic society that preserves certain securities and rights that a capitalistic environment might not offer and you can't lazy around with a joint when you'd like to. I totally hear you.
So, this capitalist corporation money run model, breaks families and traditions, reduces labor costs, increases product dependence (including pharma), increases debt and interest revenue, and consolidates stronghold over power and so on the long term.
Wait a sec. That's the Globalization world government that you and the late KingofOreos like. Hmmmm.. I'm confused. So it seems either with a socialistic Canadian model, or with a US capitalist one, both leading you to slavery. You're just blind to the Canadian one still.
Which makes what you posted about the Orthodox Church an 'opponent way' on the other side of sorts. With stronger traditions, stronger families, and thereby less dependence on the above mentioned, and... less money control over a world government, or one at all.
A meditative contemplation on this with a fat Jamaican-roll would be appreciated - and enjoyed - prior to reply. and btw, Putin never mobilized any religion in and/or out of the Russian border as you put it.
The people in Russia a very, very orthodox and the USSR's atheism made an adverse effect into them appreciating and getting further rooted in their religious traditions.
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