Reality is stranger than fiction

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I have tried here on several occasions over oh probably two or three years, to explain that there were things going on inside the US (and elsewhere, principally the so-called 'Five Eyes' group particularly in the UK) that are EXTREMELY problematic - knowing all along, that the prospect of my being even thought sane would be moot.

Reality claimed in the court hearing continuing today, that she IS a member of an Islamic terrorist group - although the media is saying only that the prosecution said she 'wanted to go overseas and join the Taliban.'

So let me explain something to those with ears...

Oftentimes, it is in the province of the art of fiction in which naked facts can be revealed and lessons learned by the alert.

The USA dodged a bullet with Trump having been elected, and those of you who are NOT astroturfers, and merely think Trump is this or that (pejorative), ought to give their prejudices some hard hard thinking before they keep giving sustenance to whoever in the general media is basically taking orders from sophisticated, educated, and highly toxic oil wealthy people from the Middle East, and from certain dictatorships in South East Asia masquerading as 'holier than thou' although I would characterize them as rancid on the inside.

The media has told you NOTHING about what has been going on. At least, they have steered markedly away from those facts that would simply shock you were you to learn of them from an open and respectable source.

ALL of the so-called conspiracy theories/stories that are out there in the public up to now are wrong about this particular matter.

I want you to tie these several facts together in your mind before you listen to another news report:

There has recently been a swathe of cases against US Military personnel concerning the taking of bribes from a certain Francis Raj (that is his real name - not that you will see it in the media) of Singapore;

All of the Globalist Elite clandestine plans emanate from a network within Academia around the world, and not anywhere else - with the deceased Lee Kwan Yew having been a MAJOR driving force of it and a major enabler of it;

George Soros was NEVER funded nor backed by Jewish interests - he got his money from Singapore and from a handful of wealthy Kuwaitis, Qataris and Saudis;

MI6 in the UK was subverted a long time ago by Eurodollar elites and their money and power, but really went 'across the wall' during the time of John Major as PM there;

Adnan Khashoggi who died about two days ago in London, was key to the organizing and strategic thinking behind what was going on;

More later

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I can't wait...



The replies alone will probably be worth it.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The 5 Eyes is the primary protector of the great Anglo alliance. Along with the extremely integrated armed services of the 5 participating allies.

The prosecution has said Reality wants to be a terrorist. Cite where she said it. Her social media certainly points her out to be a SJW Liberal. But that is a good thing to be. The other option usually leans towards being a regressive conspiracy nutter.

Says something when US armed forces veterans and intelligence personnel are resisting the lies being put out by the WH and the orange idiot in power. And are willing to go to jail for their beliefs in exposing such lies.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I have to admit, that this is far better than a Mike Yates, busybody or KingO conspiracy thread....



~*~ woof! ~*~

 

[kbate]

Is this the return of Woody54?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The 5 Eyes is the primary protector of the great Anglo alliance. Along with the extremely integrated armed services of the 5 participating allies.

The prosecution has said Reality wants to be a terrorist. Cite where she said it. Her social media certainly points her out to be a SJW Liberal. But that is a good thing to be. The other option usually leans towards being a regressive conspiracy nutter.

Says something when US armed forces veterans and intelligence personnel are resisting the lies being put out by the WH and the orange idiot in power. And are willing to go to jail for their beliefs in exposing such lies.

You do realize, that for a whistle-blower, there is a proper channel and procedure to go through that is population by all sorts of #NeverTrumpers of both parties? There is no need to simply break the law because you feel, like most SJWs that you are too pure and holy to be simply bound by something as stupid as the laws of man...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Is this the return of Woody54?

No Wood's insanity ran to the hard Left...





I think that one is posting now as a NZ alt because, boy, is that rock in the ocean producing some real winners of late.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You do realize, that for a whistle-blower, there is a proper channel and procedure to go through that is population by all sorts of #NeverTrumpers of both parties? There is no need to simply break the law because you feel, like most SJWs that you are too pure and holy to be simply bound by something as stupid as the laws of man...

They don't trust the US government. That seems to run through both sides of US political thinking. One of the reasons cited for some many guns is protection from a tyrannical government. You folk all seem to live in fear of the government. If Dems are in then the right claims oppression. If Republicans are in the left screams fascist. If the right controls all the WH, Congress and Senate it would be hard for radical lefty to think that any real changes will occur.

It is the duty of every citizen to break unjust laws. And if an unjust government would use usually just laws as tools of oppression then you have no choice but to break that usually just law. There are higher laws than those of men. Just ask your fundie evangelicals.

 

[SeeNoHearNoSpeakNo]

Ahhh, The pipe is a powerful master indeed.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They don't trust the US government. That seems to run through both sides of US political thinking. One of the reasons cited for some many guns is protection from a tyrannical government. You folk all seem to live in fear of the government. If Dems are in then the right claims oppression. If Republicans are in the left screams fascist. If the right controls all the WH, Congress and Senate it would be hard for radical lefty to think that any real changes will occur.

It is the duty of every citizen to break unjust laws. And if an unjust government would use usually just laws as tools of oppression then you have no choice but to break that usually just law. There are higher laws than those of men. Just ask your fundie evangelicals.

Not leaking State secrets is an unjust law?

When there is a law that Reality could have used?

Sorry, but I'm not buying that since unjust to a SJW is a bizarre subjective valuation.

The only thing that I have come to fear is the hardcore wackos of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.



You may take a bow now.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Is this the return of Woody54?

Ooooh, a simultaneous sick burn AND a blast from the past!

-Rob "MixingMyMetaphors" DownSouth

 

[Hard_Rom]

If the just law is being used to cover-up illegal, unethical or immoral actions the it should be broken. Every country has laws regarding classified intelligence. Even repressive totalitarian governments. She obviously felt she could not get justice from the US government and that it would probably repress any reports of wrong doing. I believe you people have a few investigations going on right now over just such things. Not like your government is sailing along peacefully and popularly without scandal.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't give a shit what she "felt."


She didn't even make the effort spurred on by the press and the get Trump at all cost deep state leakers (one of which was Comey).

Because, why would she worry? Nothing happened to anyone else playing the get Trump game.

She considered herself immune and above the law.

An entitled "snowflake..."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I "feel" that most speed limits and stop signs are arbitrary, subjected and just employed to keep a vocal minority of the elderly voters placated. In short, they are "unjust."

But I don't speed and I don't run stop signs.

AND I don't trust government either!


Doesn't give me the right to act like the rules of the road don't apply to me...

 

[EternalFantasies]

Not sure which is more entertaining the op or Rom. Altho Rom certainly has more knowledge and logic to him, just a wacko extremist indeed while he thinks himself a moderate

But this op.. WeakMadeByDesire please explain why this arms dealer is godfathering it all, and how too if you got some insights. And what will happen now that he passed away?

 

[Rightguide]

I can't wait...



The replies alone will probably be worth it.

I think I'll pass.

 

[Bray123]

I prefer: 'The tooth is stranger than friction'.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Not sure which is more entertaining the op or Rom. Altho Rom certainly has more knowledge and logic to him, just a wacko extremist indeed while he thinks himself a moderate

But this op.. WeakMadeByDesire please explain why this arms dealer is godfathering it all, and how too if you got some insights. And what will happen now that he passed away?

I can assure you my views are quite middle of the road where I come from. A bit emotional in delivery perhaps as strongly felt but hardly extremist.

 

[Liar]

I prefer: 'The tooth is stranger than friction'.

The trout is a stranger to friction, the slippery bastard.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The trout is a stranger to friction, the slippery bastard.

Word!

 

[EternalFantasies]

I can assure you my views are quite middle of the road where I come from. A bit emotional in delivery perhaps as strongly felt but hardly extremist.

Like I said, you don't realize it.

i'll give an example altho I'm certain you won't agree. The unjust law thingy you put up there.

Hey, it sounds great, no? What more moderate and fair and benign etc. Only you don't wonder why a seemingly "unjust" law is there. You do not know why it became necessary, and in what context.

That context, is the 'real' truth. That "unjust" law has a purpose in that context.
It's necessity, is paramount in it. So, breaking it, can certainly be perceived, by those who view that context clearly, as extreme, and highly irresponsible.

But, its also obvious, it's not meant as such. Coz context is obscured to you. Know why? Coz you call Him bog...

Point being, you don't realize how extreme you are. And if you recall, my first post to you in the 'heaven when u die thread', i told you you were quite dangerous even.

Imagine that.

Know what saves you? Christ. "Forgive them father they know not what they do".

Cheers

 

[Hard_Rom]

^^^^ Your kind would collaborate with Nazis if they were 'legally' elected. If you had lived in France during WW II you would have gladly collaborated with Nazis because the 'legitimate' Vichy government said too.

Speed down the highway with a critically injured person in the car. You won't be charged for breaking the law. Why should exposing things like corruption, lies and deceit be illegal? Doing it for money in the pay of a foreign power is wrong. But as a patriot are you not expected to break the laws which keep the tyrants in power? Were the original rebels in 1776 not breaking the law. They could have had recourse to take up their complaints with the government. But what result could they have expected? At most bland recognition of their claims and an offer to take it under advisement.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For the majority of people, once a mass movement gains a majority/power going along to get along is the only sane alternative.





Everything else leads to death.

 

[EternalFantasies]

^^^^ Your kind would collaborate with Nazis if they were 'legally' elected. If you had lived in France during WW II you would have gladly collaborated with Nazis because the 'legitimate' Vichy government said too.

Speed down the highway with a critically injured person in the car. You won't be charged for breaking the law. Why should exposing things like corruption, lies and deceit be illegal? Doing it for money in the pay of a foreign power is wrong. But as a patriot are you not expected to break the laws which keep the tyrants in power? Were the original rebels in 1776 not breaking the law. They could have had recourse to take up their complaints with the government. But what result could they have expected? At most bland recognition of their claims and an offer to take it under advisement.

Context is key.

In WWII times? absolutely not. It is not a kind thingy, it is a context thingy. So no, I would not, coz it's not the context I want. (hence that war btw)

Today, it's debatable I agree. However, there is a 'context' of reality missing. What you say logically makes sens absolutely. But there are times - which is of the essence - when that is irrelevant, for the time being.

Best I can do.

And i'm not with 4est's majority he speaks of in his post either.

I'm just happy there's enough people in the US, and the West, who understand enough not to sink us all into the socialist jail you are - unwittingly - knitting.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

If the just law is being used to cover-up illegal, unethical or immoral actions the it should be broken. Every country has laws regarding classified intelligence. Even repressive totalitarian governments. She obviously felt she could not get justice from the US government and that it would probably repress any reports of wrong doing. I believe you people have a few investigations going on right now over just such things. Not like your government is sailing along peacefully and popularly without scandal.

This is real simple. We have laws covering those laws and people like her -- or at least those she wrongly THINKS she's like:

Whistleblower Protection Act (WPA)
The WPA generally provides protections for federal employees who make disclosures evidencing illegal or improper government activities. In order to trigger the protections of the WPA, a case must contain the following elements: a "personnel action” that was taken because of a “protected disclosure” made by a “covered employee.”

Covered Employees
Although anyone may disclose whistleblowing information for referral to the appropriate agency, an investigation and report from the head of that agency is required only if the information is received from a “covered employee.” In addition, with few exceptions, prohibited personnel practices apply only to covered employees. Therefore, as a threshold matter, it is important to note which federal employees are statutorily covered.

Generally, current employees, former employees, or applicants for employment to positions in the executive branch of government and the Government Printing Office, in both the competitive and the excepted service, as well as positions in the Senior Executive Service, are considered covered
employees.

However, those positions that are excepted from the competitive service because of their “confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character,” and any positions exempted by the President based on a determination that it is necessary and warranted by conditions of good administration, are not protected by the whistleblower statute.

Moreover, the statute does not apply to federal workers employed by the U.S. Postal Service or the Postal Rate Commission, the Government Accountability Office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and any other executive entity that the President determines primarily conducts foreign intelligence or counter-intelligence activities. Agency heads are required to inform their employees of these protections

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42727.pdf

Quite apart from the fact that intelligence agency employees are not "covered employees," they might at least garner some sympathy if they blew the whistle on fellow intelligence agency employees who were CLEARLY BREAKING THE LAW. You know, like leaking classified information to the news media or ILLEGALLY spying on American citizens. Nothing in the WPA, or anywhere else in federal law, permits non-covered intelligence agency employees to impose their judgment as to the "wrongful" classification of information by a duly authorized superior.

LEGALLY protected whistleblowing does not allow for ILLEGALLY leaking classified material to the news media. That's not how the law works.

On the other hand, if one wants to get all high-minded Thoreau-Ghandi-Martin Luther King on the subject, then break the law and WILLINGLY submit to the punishment that is forthcoming. If a majority of fellow citizens fail to generate sufficient sympathy to change the "unfair" laws which permit the "abussive" government action, then tough-shit-4-U.