It's still the 'Ruskie's' huh?

[Ishmael]

I posted the linked thread in early Sept. of last year. And even then the whole mantra re. the Russians was a couple weeks old.

The Russians are coming


So here we are going on 10 months later and a segment of our population are still obsessing over the Russians. 10 months of rumor, innuendo, and gossip without a single shred of evidence that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. Seriously folks, this borders on pathological mental illness.

I hate to inform you that nothing is going to be found. Not a damn thing. I do understand that there are those that are going to cling to any thread, no matter how tenuous, in the hopes that Trump is going to be found to be some sort of 'Manchurian Candidate.' Dream on, then seek professional help because that just isn't going to happen.

I have a couple of questions for you 'dreamers' to ponder;

If Trump had such secure 'back channel' communications with the Russians throughout the election season why would he need Jared to bring the subject up after the election? (On a side note, 'back channel' communications are the norm in diplomatic circles, not the exception.)

Why would the Russians need Trump's cooperation to try to influence the election? They can, and will, do whatever they think is in their best interests, no Trump required.

Beyond the fact that it appears that they did try to influence the election the rest is bull shit.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Tell us again, Grampa Boxwine, how the Russians have always been our friends, and how we have always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[Disgustipated]

There's no conspiracy. Much like you and your friends, you do it to yourselves and then whine when you get called out.

Also, Benghazi!

 

[pointless]

Tell us again, Grampa Boxwine, how the Russians have always been our friends, and how we have always been at war with eurasia.

i rectified you to goodthink. you're welcome.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

If Trump had such secure 'back channel' communications with the Russians throughout the election season why would he need Jared to bring the subject up after the election? (On a side note, 'back channel' communications are the norm in diplomatic circles, not the exception.)

And before "debating" this question one minute more, it should be emphasized that the 'bogeyman back channel' (que spooky organ music) was apparently discussed during the transition period, but NEVER IMPLEMENTED!!!

So the real question SHOULD be, that unlike the "collusion" investigation that may yet still produce a bombshell (yeah, right, ), why would we waste one fucking moment examining an ALLEGED IMPROPRIETY THAT EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES NEVER OCCURRED?!!!???!

 

[Ishmael]

And before "debating" this question one minute more, it should be emphasized that the 'bogeyman back channel' (que spooky organ music) was apparently discussed during the transition period, but NEVER IMPLEMENTED!!!

So the real question SHOULD be, that unlike the "collusion" investigation that may yet still produce a bombshell (yeah, right, ), why would we waste one fucking moment examining an ALLEGED IMPROPRIETY THAT EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES NEVER OCCURRED?!!!???!

Which begs the question, how is setting up a 'back channel' an impropriety? That precedent goes back to the Revolutionary War.

Ishmael

 

[Wrong Element]

I see a couple of people here more senior than myself are unfamiliar with the expression, "It's not the crime, it's the coverup."

 

[Ishmael]

I see a couple of people here more senior than myself are unfamiliar with the expression, "It's not the crime, it's the coverup."

In order for there to be a 'cover up' there must first be a crime. The horse still comes before the cart.

What's the crime?

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

In order for there to be a 'cover up' there must first be a crime. The horse still comes before the cart.

What's the crime?

Ishmael

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[Colonel Hogan]

Which begs the question, how is setting up a 'back channel' an impropriety? That precedent goes back to the Revolutionary War.

Ishmael

Only "improper" to the extent that it was arguably (very arguably) premature.

 

[Ishmael]

Only "improper" to the extent that it was arguably (very arguably) premature.

As far as who's concerned? The "loyal opposition?" Are they going to behave like someone offended because 'they didn't get off yet?'

Anecdotally, my roommate while I was living in DC was working on his PhD in economics. This was during the Nixon admin. and Schultz, the economic advisor at the time had floated a grant for the winner of a paper on the "A Ten Year Plan for the Economic Development of Backward Nations." (Backward has no been replaced by 'third world.'

My roommate's paper won. He didn't know, I didn't know. I was in the apt. screwing around and he was at the Univ. teaching a class. The phone started ringing. "This Abadabba Do from the Saudi Embassy, is this Prof. X?"

"No, can I take a message?"

"Yes, we'd like to invite Prof. X to a reception we're having on Y."

"Thank you, I'll relay the msg."

And so on and so on. Every fucking third world embassy in town called inviting Prof. X to a reception. Every damn nation on the face of the earth knew my roommate had won the 'competition', but not my roommate. He wasn't officially notified until the next day.

Such is the nature of DC and international lobbying.

Ishmael

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Russians are coming

And not even then will they smile.

 

[Comshaw]

And before "debating" this question one minute more, it should be emphasized that the 'bogeyman back channel' (que spooky organ music) was apparently discussed during the transition period, but NEVER IMPLEMENTED!!!

So the real question SHOULD be, that unlike the "collusion" investigation that may yet still produce a bombshell (yeah, right, ), why would we waste one fucking moment examining an ALLEGED IMPROPRIETY THAT EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES NEVER OCCURRED?!!!???!

One Word....Benghazi. I take it you think it's fine to spend years and millions on 8 investigations that found little, but refuse to allow the thought of one investigation that might uncover the hidden fire from which all the smoke is coming from under this mess. At one time I considered you a rather clear headed rational non-bias individual. I have since realized that you, like many here (on both sides) are blinded by your own beliefs and your reliance on "facts" extends only so far as they support what you believe rather then the truth of the matter. To quote our esteemed president, Sad.


Comshaw

 

[Phelia]

I posted the linked thread in early Sept. of last year. And even then the whole mantra re. the Russians was a couple weeks old.

The Russians are coming


So here we are going on 10 months later and a segment of our population are still obsessing over the Russians. 10 months of rumor, innuendo, and gossip without a single shred of evidence that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. Seriously folks, this borders on pathological mental illness.

I hate to inform you that nothing is going to be found. Not a damn thing. I do understand that there are those that are going to cling to any thread, no matter how tenuous, in the hopes that Trump is going to be found to be some sort of 'Manchurian Candidate.' Dream on, then seek professional help because that just isn't going to happen.

I have a couple of questions for you 'dreamers' to ponder;

If Trump had such secure 'back channel' communications with the Russians throughout the election season why would he need Jared to bring the subject up after the election? (On a side note, 'back channel' communications are the norm in diplomatic circles, not the exception.)

Why would the Russians need Trump's cooperation to try to influence the election? They can, and will, do whatever they think is in their best interests, no Trump required.

Beyond the fact that it appears that they did try to influence the election the rest is bull shit.

Ishmael

Oh, this is a special kind of stupid. Ell oh motherfucking ell. That you were unable to piece together that your first fucking post in this thread validates what you were stupidly deriding as a conspiracy theory ten months ago is the most delicious kind of ignorance.

I look forward to your third installment, you perpetually impaired fuckknuckle. Fingers crossed that it's less than ten months.

mangomeltdown

 

[magicalmoments]

In order for there to be a 'cover up' there must first be a crime. The horse still comes before the cart.

What's the crime?

Ishmael

Whenever i see this person put his name at the bottom of whatever piece of shit he's pushing at the moment I imagine him whispering the name, a la Brick Heck from the sitcom The Middle.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

One Word....Benghazi. I take it you think it's fine to spend years and millions on 8 investigations that found little, but refuse to allow the thought of one investigation that might uncover the hidden fire from which all the smoke is coming from under this mess. At one time I considered you a rather clear headed rational non-bias individual. I have since realized that you, like many here (on both sides) are blinded by your own beliefs and your reliance on "facts" extends only so far as they support what you believe rather then the truth of the matter. To quote our esteemed president, Sad.


Comshaw

You are misrepresenting my position. I have no problem with the ethics, "reasonableness" or however else one might describe the investigation into the Trump campaign's possible collusion with the Russians against the Democrats during the Presidential campaign. None.

I don't think anything will come of it, but to the extent that you are arguing that it is accurately analogous to the Benghazi investigations, I would basically AGREE!! The FBI, and now Mueller, believe they have substance to examine, then, by all means, examine it.

The back channel Kushner business is decidedly different in that the channel was never established. There's no "there" there other than the fact that preliminary discussions apparently took place. That's it. What else is there to talk about on that specific issue?

 

[Phelia]

You are misrepresenting my position. I have no problem with the ethics, "reasonableness" or however else one might describe the investigation into the Trump campaign's possible collusion with the Russians against the Democrats during the Presidential campaign. None.

I don't think anything will come of it, but to the extent that you are arguing that it is accurately analogous to the Benghazi investigations, I would basically AGREE!! The FBI, and now Mueller, believe they have substance to examine, then, by all means, examine it.

The back channel Kushner business is decidedly different in that the channel was never established. There's no "there" there other than the fact that preliminary discussions apparently took place. That's it. What else is there to talk about on that specific issue?

This. Is. Absurd.

The FBI is investigating: "the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. And that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts." That's Jim Comey's sworn testimony. It is highly likely (and general sentiment reflects) that they are also investigating obstruction of justice of his transition team.

Mueller's appointment authorized him to investigate: "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" and "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" which = obstruction of justice.

OF COURSE it's worth looking at why a private citizen and current senior WH advisor who is part of a group under multiple investigations into their relationship with the Russians (including a pattern of being evasive in reporting about meetings, communications, and fucking FIRING THE FBI DIRECTOR AND ADMITTING IT'S BECAUSE OF THE INVESTIGATION ON TELEVISION) made a fairly unusual request.

Fuck you and your "well of course I support the investigation" while you squeal about every little droplet of evidence. Buckle up, bud!! This is a bukkake scene!

Mueller didn't decide shit, by the way. Rod Rosenstein called for the special counsel.

I actually think the volume, speed, and specificity of leaks is concerning, and we certainly shouldn't be thoughtlessly parroting information intercepted from Russian communication channels without acknowledging its context and proceeding with caution. And yes, I think some people are overreacting and we should be really careful with this and wait until we can prove whether or not there's a fire under all this smoke. If it gets pushed and the whole thing collapses, it'll completely backfire and make things even more bitterly partisan. That said, Republicans need to acknowledge that Trump is a fucking disaster, curtail his most destructive habits and policies and drain the septic tank that is hid cabinet.

I recommend this interview with Michael Morell. He was one of the first to jump on the Trump-Russia thing and he's very measured and cautious - I agree with him. But people are gonna talk about the smoke.

As much as it pissed me off last time, I'm really looking forward to Comey's testimony next week.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The smart money says Democrats are pissing away the 2020 election trying to rehab Hillary rather than champion a plan for America that excites voters.

 

[water505]

In order for there to be a 'cover up' there must first be a crime. The horse still comes before the cart.

What's the crime?

Ishmael

The crime is the number of morons who are falling for the Dems' big lie. The truth is they lost the election because their candidate sucked and she ran a terrible campaign. Even Clapper said there is no evidence of Russian collusion. But as we all know leftists never accept responsibility for their own actions and always point their finger at someone else.

 

[water505]

Whenever i see this person put his name at the bottom of whatever piece of shit he's pushing at the moment I imagine him whispering the name, a la Brick Heck from the sitcom The Middle.

You may want to stick with the political forum.

 

[zipman]

Hey Ish, didn't you also say this was all going away pretty quickly?

I guess you were wrong about that too.

 

[Lancecastor]

I think we can all agree that Melania looked fabulous in Italy.


http://punchng.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/26194749/Melania2.jpg

 

[Pookie]

I posted the linked thread in early Sept. of last year. And even then the whole mantra re. the Russians was a couple weeks old.

The Russians are coming


So here we are going on 10 months later and a segment of our population are still obsessing over the Russians. 10 months of rumor, innuendo, and gossip without a single shred of evidence that Trump had anything to do with the Russians. Seriously folks, this borders on pathological mental illness.

I hate to inform you that nothing is going to be found. Not a damn thing. I do understand that there are those that are going to cling to any thread, no matter how tenuous, in the hopes that Trump is going to be found to be some sort of 'Manchurian Candidate.' Dream on, then seek professional help because that just isn't going to happen.

I have a couple of questions for you 'dreamers' to ponder;

If Trump had such secure 'back channel' communications with the Russians throughout the election season why would he need Jared to bring the subject up after the election? (On a side note, 'back channel' communications are the norm in diplomatic circles, not the exception.)

Why would the Russians need Trump's cooperation to try to influence the election? They can, and will, do whatever they think is in their best interests, no Trump required.

Beyond the fact that it appears that they did try to influence the election the rest is bull shit.

Ishmael

Complete and utter argument from ignorance. Your habit of this logical fallacy borders on pathological mental illness.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think we can all agree that Melania looked fabulous in Italy.


http://punchng.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/26194749/Melania2.jpg

http://jackets.gardners.com/media/356/97814058/9781405861861.jpg

 

[Ishmael]

Hey Ish, didn't you also say this was all going away pretty quickly?

I guess you were wrong about that too.

Got to give them a 'P' for persistence. I would have thought that they'd of figured out by now that the entire 'collusion' mantra is going nowhere. I suspect that they're hoping and praying for a "Scooter Libby" moment from the Special Prosecutor. You know, some one being crucified over something that had nothing to do with the sanctioned investigation.

Now I see that the FBI is off on a tangent concerning Nigel Farage. Yet another mink hole leading nowhere.

The press continues with the 'collusion' meme while the investigation is in reality about the Russians attempting to influence (or interfere depending on which side of the fence you're on) the election. I've already stated going back almost a year that the Russians did indeed attempt to influence the election. But that's nothing new, they were doing that back in the 1930's. Just as we have attempted to influence, overtly or covertly, foreign elections at least 61 times since the end of WWII.

And if they ever get around to making an official statement concerning that attempted influence, exactly what do they think they're going to do about it? Nuke Moscow?

Ishmael