Classified reports have ‘damning evidence’ of Trump campaign’s coordination with Russ

[Rightguide]

Investigation can be a slow process, just ask Ken Starr.

You meant to say. intentional subversion can be a long process, right?

 

[Phelia]

Since you conveniently excluded the DOJ explanation of the difference between transactional and use immunity, I've plugged it back in for those (unlike yourself) who might actually be interested.

Additionally (not that you give a fuck since you specialize in ignoring the context of my previous remarks), I was explaining to KO why a WITNESS might OFFER to TESTIFY in EXCHANGE for immunity. ONE of those motivations MIGHT be a "just-in-case" gambit if the question of his criminal culpability was uncertain in his own mind or that of his attorney.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist (lucky for you) to realize that the motivations for a prosecutor GRANTING immunity are far different than that of a WITNESS SEEKING IT which is where the choice between transactional and use immunity comes into play.

Where the criminal culpability of the witness is uncertain or substantially less severe and the prospect of his testimony is instrumental in prosecuting another defendant, then the prosecutor may be inclined to grant transactional immunity -- the witness is free from prosecution on pretty much anything regarding the crime at issue.

If the prosecution wishes to PROTECT its interest in prosecuting the witness based on discoverable evidence OTHER THAN his testimony, "use immunity" is all that will be offered.

It's a pretty simple concept really. And like invoking the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, a witness solicitation for immunity in exchange for testimony does not constitute a legal admission of guilt -- which is what KO was implying by virtue of Flynn's overture to the Congressional committee seeking his testimony.

And for what precious little it might be worth to you, had I been the committee chairperson in charge, I wouldn't have given him immunity either.

And, no, NONE of the above has the slightest bit of relevance to my PERSONAL feelings regarding the criminal culpability for any alleged "offenses" committed by Hillary Clinton. As I've admitted before, I have the same unsubstantiated, inadmissible-in-a-court of law opinions as you obviously do. The difference is, while I might HOPE she COULD be prosecuted based on legally admissible evidence, I don't expect it when the totality of that evidence is not before me.

In the meantime, when I discuss the law in the abstract, I try to do so as accurately as possible.

Now that we've cleared all that up and until such time as you gleefully pounce on whatever imagined contradictions of legal philosophy you next pronounce me guilty of, why don't you go wash up for dinner?

http://book-med.info/img/377/0007430000320_500X500557.jpg

Prove it. Find one quote of yours that reflects that since the first whispers of the Russia scandal. I think you'll just find many, many paragraphs of you calling people who disagree with you idiots, liars, and cunts. Like this:

You're a miserable "little cunt" because of your personality and your proclivity, like far too many others, to brand people as liars, frauds and criminals, based solely on your opinion with no supporting facts.

You're a hypocrite, Hoagie. You don't care about accuracy. You care about kicking up enough dust that it looks like you might have justified your partisan nonsense. You're AJ and Vette if they bothered to learn a few extra words and I'm going to keep reminding you of the fact as this monstrosity unfolds.

Which reminds me - that idiotic keys analogy is going to be very funny in a few months.

mangomeltdown

 

[Conager]

I was confused for a moment too. Then I double checked who posted and that cleared things right up for me.

I don't get the mentality of the cover up conspiracy crowd. "We've turned over this rock 100 times already and we STILL don't have any evidence. Oh well, let's look under it again. Something will turn up. It HAS to..."

It's almost like they're looking for their missing car keys. How many times does someone need to open and look in a drawer before they realize the keys are STILL NOT IN THERE - just like the last 5 times they checked?

That is just it. We live in and age when the NSA is collecting and archiving every single electronic jingle of everyone's keys. They have, without a doubt, already unmasked every single recording available of each suspect conversation, transcribed them, passed them around, let all the key Democrats before and after Jan 20 read and or listen to them and there is no "there," there.

There is no place left to look for the keys, and no further analysis possible of the non-evidence.

If some version of this could be contorted into an actual crime, at a minimum, the crime would be alleged an in public.

So far: "Murmer, murmer RUSSIANS. Murmer, murmer <soto voice "possible"> COLLUSION!!

 

[Rightguide]

You're a hypocrite, Hoagie. You don't care about accuracy. You care about kicking up enough dust that it looks like you might have justified your partisan nonsense. You're AJ and Vette if they bothered to learn a few extra words and I'm going to keep reminding you of the fact as this monstrosity unfolds.

Which reminds me - that idiotic keys analogy is going to be very funny in a few months.

mangomeltdown

All you do is continue to demonstrate ignorant partisanship from behind the gaseous cloud of your bankrupt ideology.

 

[KingOrfeo]

You meant to say. intentional subversion can be a long process, right?

Trying to unseat Trump is in no sense "subversion."

 

[HisArpy]

I think you are onto something here. But the phenomenon at play seems to be "BECAUSE the keys are STILL not there a CRIME MUST have been committed. SOMEONE (and we KNOW who) MUST have

GIVEN THEM TO THE RUSSIANS!

"Yes, that's it!! What other possible explanation could be 'reasonable'?"

Fixed your post to reflect the liberal version of events.

 

[HisArpy]

Which reminds me - that idiotic keys analogy is going to be very funny in a few months.

mangomeltdown

OMG, I know, right?

 

[Adre]

Funny, I don't recall any of Lit's Wingnut Contingent complaining as the House Benghazi investigation passed Day 700, still finding no culpability or wrongdoing.

 

[Conager]

Funny, I don't recall any of Lit's Wingnut Contingent complaining as the House Benghazi investigation passed Day 700, still finding no culpability or wrongdoing.

Bullshit.

Some of the actual withheld evidence came to light in the WikiLeaks dump.

Not to mention you have actual allegations of actually something being done by someone which you don't have in Russia rumor mill.

Committee after committee West Stonewall. Cute for you to pretend that the witnesses were forthright in the documents were produced as demanded.

 

[HisArpy]

Funny, I don't recall any of Lit's Wingnut Contingent complaining as the House Benghazi investigation passed Day 700, still finding no culpability or wrongdoing.

The Benghazi Committee has been stonewalled for years over the evidence and testimony they've asked for.

To this day we STILL do not know where Obama was at the time. How hard could it be for the White House to just say "He was asleep. Or he was in the head. Or he was..."? But they don't. Absolute silence and defiance.

The Committee asked for emails and was told they don't exist. Once the secret server was revealed, the Committee was, again, stonewalled while the emails were scrubbed and wiped.

There are questions as to whether witnesses lied under oath to Congress or not.

700 days of obstruction by the Obama Administration to avoid revealing ANYTHING to the committee is quite different than 300 days of an investigation into the Trump administration and finding no evidence of any ties to Russia.

 

[Adre]

The Benghazi Committee has been stonewalled for years over the evidence and testimony they've asked for.

To this day we STILL do not know where Obama was at the time. How hard could it be for the White House to just say "He was asleep. Or he was in the head. Or he was..."? But they don't. Absolute silence and defiance.

The Committee asked for emails and was told they don't exist. Once the secret server was revealed, the Committee was, again, stonewalled while the emails were scrubbed and wiped.

There are questions as to whether witnesses lied under oath to Congress or not.

700 days of obstruction by the Obama Administration to avoid revealing ANYTHING to the committee is quite different than 300 days of an investigation into the Trump administration and finding no evidence of any ties to Russia.

And yet a major player will be taking the fifth. Nothing to see here, folks. (Hillary actually testified for many hours.)

 

[Adre]

Bullshit.

Some of the actual withheld evidence came to light in the WikiLeaks dump.

Not to mention you have actual allegations of actually something being done by someone which you don't have in Russia rumor mill.

Committee after committee West Stonewall. Cute for you to pretend that the witnesses were forthright in the documents were produced as demanded.

Your buttons are so easy to push, can't you at least present a challenge? Is Flynn producing documents? Oh that's right, the Fifth.

 

[HisArpy]

And yet a major player will be taking the fifth. Nothing to see here, folks. (Hillary actually testified for many hours.)

It must be terrible to be both dumb and have selective amnesia at the same time.

FLYNN is the subject of an investigation. As a potential defendant, he has a 5th Amendment RIGHT to not be forced to testify against himself. Under the law and precedent taking the 5th CANNOT BE USED to indicate any knowledge, belief, or feelings of guilt.

HILLARY, on the other hand, testified. And then Comey was requested by the Committee to investigate whether she LIED UNDER OATH. Which investigation should have been easy and fast yet Comey failed to do so (AFAIK) before being fired.

So, nothing to see here indeed. Because there is NOTHING which can be implied or imputed to Flynn's refusal to testify. Meanwhile Hillary can still be indicted because THAT investigation is still ongoing and there IS evidence of a crime (whether a prosecutor would prevail is not the same thing as no evidence - while in the Russia investigation THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.)

 

[Colonel Hogan]

It was illegal when Nixon did it, it was illegal when Trump did it. Nixon had the lawful authority to fire Cox, but he committed a crime in doing so.

This breaks new ground of stupidity even for you. Please cite the statutory reference that stipulates the exercise of LAWFUL AUTHORITY as a nonetheless CRIMINAL act. NOT merely IMPEACHABLE -- CRIMINAL!!

"CRIMINAL" by definition means an act prohibited by a specific statute. "LAWFUL AUTHORITY" by definition means an authority EITHER expressly granted by statute or NOT EXPRESSLY prohibited by it. We all have the "lawful authority" to travel from state to state without government permission, so no statutory authority is required to do so.

But where a statute, such as that under which Cox was instituted as a special prosecutor, defines someone's subordinate status to the President (or the Attorney General, who, in turn is subordinate to the President), then we would expect to find statutory language somewhere else making it VERY CLEAR that, not only were there exceptions to that subordinate status, but there were, indeed, criminal sanctions attendant to actually exercising it.

You are alleging a very specific LEGAL FACT.

Either PROVE IT, or ..... SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.!!!!

 

[Adre]

FLYNN is the subject of an investigation. As a potential defendant, he has a 5th Amendment RIGHT to not be forced to testify against himself. Under the law and precedent taking the 5th CANNOT BE USED to indicate any knowledge, belief, or feelings of guilt.

Not according to his former boss, the President. How many innocent, blameless people feel the need to take the Fifth?

 

[HisArpy]

Not according to his former boss, the President. How many innocent, blameless people feel the need to take the Fifth?

I dunno. Maybe ALL of them? Because whenever you testify, your words can AND WILL be used against you and NEVER to help exonerate you.

 

[magicalmoments]

Do you mean he believes the rumor that Hillary's supporters started almost ten years ago? If he ever actually believed it, he no longer does. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-trade-barbs-over-obama-birther-movement.html

Fake news!

 

[nowisthetime]

It's so funny how these Republicans excuse such bad behavior if the person is the right hue or has an R in front of their name.

Government official shoves reporter, and their little voters support him! Let a Democrat do the same thing and all of a sudden he becomes a 'thug'.

The President of the United States acts like an ass in Europe, grabbing other Presidents' hands like a middle school child, shoving them to get in front of the line--oh that's ok if you're a Republican!

I remember when hanging with the Russians got you called names, like a "Commie". Now, Russia=Good because their Orange God says so?

What happened to the Patriots and the party of being so morally superior? This election has shown us the true colors of many people who claim to be such patriots and moral upstanding Christians!

 

[GimpyIntellect]

The President of the United States acts like an ass in Europe, grabbing other Presidents' hands like a middle school child, shoving them to get in front of the line--oh that's ok if you're a Republican!

Bitch, please.

The man is just showing his dominance, as illustrated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLdjocHRFHQ

 

[nowisthetime]

Bitch, please.

The man is just showing his dominance, as illustrated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLdjocHRFHQ

Dominance?

Such a Queen!

 

[GimpyIntellect]

Dominance?

Such a Queen!

Are you telling me you wouldn't let Donald J grab you by the pussy??

I refuse to believe that.

 

[nowisthetime]

Are you telling me you wouldn't let Donald J grab you by the pussy??

I refuse to believe that.

LMAO!!

You gave me a laugh of the day that I needed.

 

[GimpyIntellect]

LMAO!!

You gave me a laugh of the day that I needed.

Laughing is the best medicine when a big fat juicy cock isn't around to do you some real good.

 

[Rightguide]

Trying to unseat Trump is in no sense "subversion."

When the duties of his office are purposely obstructed with illegal activities of disloyal saboteurs, salted throughout the government by the previous administration, to upset his foreign policy and endanger the national security, it is subversion. If such activities work to thwart his abilities to the benefit of our enemies, it could be treason. Whatever it is they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[nowisthetime]

When the duties of his office are purposely obstructed with illegal activities of disloyal saboteurs, salted throughout the government by the previous administration, to upset his foreign policy and endanger the national security, it is subversion. If such activities work to thwart his abilities to the benefit of our enemies, it could be treason. Whatever it is they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

LOL, what duties has he even done besides play golf 24/7?


Be honest with yourself, he could take a dump in front of Mother Theresa's rotted corpse and you would still support him.

You just admire his hatred of the others, that's all.

News, the world doesn't revolve around you.