CBO report could force House to vote again on GOP Obamacare repeal bill

[Tristyn]

Single-payer is the answer.

House Republicans barely managed to pass their Obamacare repeal bill earlier this month, and they now face the possibility of having to vote again on their controversial health measure.

House Speaker Paul Ryan hasn’t yet sent the bill to the Senate because there’s a chance that parts of it may need to be redone, depending on how the Congressional Budget Office estimates its effects. House leaders want to make sure the bill conforms with Senate rules for reconciliation, a mechanism that allows Senate Republicans to pass the bill with a simple majority.

Republicans had rushed to vote on the health bill so the Senate could get a quick start on it, even before the CBO had finished analyzing a series of last-minute changes. The CBO is expected to release an updated estimate next week.

"Unaware," said Representative Jeff Denham of California, with noticeable surprise Thursday, when advised that his party leaders still hadn’t sent the bill over to the Senate. Denham was one of the House Republicans who ended up voting for the measure, after earlier in the week opposing it.

"I am on the whip team and we have a lot of conversations, but we have not had that one. So I am going to look into it," said Denham, a member of the party’s vote-counting team.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...-to-vote-again-on-gop-s-obamacare-repeal-bill

 

[Hard_Rom]

Unaware! And a party whip too! Hardly cohesive governing there.

I do like the idea of your CBO. Apparently academics, statistics, facts and non-partisanship do have a place in US governance. Wiki says primarily used by all sides as a weapon against the executive.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The CBO attempts the static modeling of a dynamic system.


It was wildly wrong on ObamaCare and it will be just as wrong on TrumpCare...


No one who watched the last debacle should pay the least bit of attention to what the CBO predicts.

 

[Tristyn]

The CBO attempts the static modeling of a dynamic system.


It was wildly wrong on ObamaCare and it will be just as wrong on TrumpCare...


No one who watched the last debacle should pay the least bit of attention to what the CBO predicts.

Ryan isn't worried about CBO scoring, Ryan is worried about the Senate embarrassing him by completely rewriting his bill.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ryan isn't worried about CBO scoring, Ryan is worried about the Senate embarrassing him by completely rewriting his bill.

They're going to do it no matter what.

 

[Tristyn]

They're going to do it no matter what.

Both Ryan and McConnell know the ONLY way Obamacare will be changed is via a single-payer system.

The Republicans are waiting for the Democrats to take back the Senate in 2018 & let the Dems make the tough decisions.

 

[Hard_Rom]

If you folk adopt a single-payer UHC system you will be more socialist than Canada! Bloody communists!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Both Ryan and McConnell know the ONLY way Obamacare will be changed is via a single-payer system.

The Republicans are waiting for the Democrats to take back the Senate in 2018 & let the Dems make the tough decisions.

More stuff of The True Believer (Eric Hoffer). The True Believer always posses a secret knowledge unknown to those who are infidel to the cause. As was the case yesterday with a poster fixated on her issue, you may be fixated on Single Payer which leads you to conclusions that may bear no actual resemblance to reality.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I predict rude surprises for both parties come 2018. No one learned shit from the 2010, 2014, and 2016 elections.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I predict rude surprises for both parties come 2018. No one learned shit from the 2010, 2014, and 2016 elections.

There could be some truth to that, but it is still out on the horizon for politics...

 

[Rightguide]

Single-payer is the answer.



https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...-to-vote-again-on-gop-s-obamacare-repeal-bill

The solution to the health care issue isn't the Stalinism of a federally centralized single payer system. If you want to see what single payer looks like, look at the VA system.

 

[Conager]

The solution to the health care issue isn't the Stalinism of a federally centralized single payer system. If you want to see what single payer looks like, look at the VA system.

. . .or Indian Health Services.

 

[Rightguide]

. . .or Indian Health Services.

The economic fact of life is the federal government cannot fund or manage an efficient, technologically advanced, health care system for 320 million people, and neither can any other government in the world.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The economic fact of life is the federal government cannot fund or manage an efficient, technologically advanced, health care system for 320 million people, and neither can any other government in the world.

Then let the states do it. Health care in Canada is a provincial responsibility.

 

[Conager]

Thomas Sowell, like most recently graduated college students was a good libetal that believed in the power for good of government when he was hired as an economist by the federal government. He soon came to understand the vast in efficiencies built into anything the government involves itself in.

Regarding the ACA he said, "If we as a nation cannot afford the price of Health Care how can we possibly afford the price of Health Care with an additional expensive government bureaucracy?

 

[Rightguide]

Then let the states do it. Health care in Canada is a provincial responsibility.

Canada's entire population is less than the that of the state of California. No comparison in scope or costs. The system the state of California is now proposing will bankrupt the state.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Canada's entire population is less than the that of the state of California. No comparison in scope or costs. The system the state of California is now proposing will bankrupt the state.

Like I said let the states do it. And if Canada can, California can.

Russia has 144 million and can pull it off. Latest sanctions and stuff has hit the system hard. But fuck! This is Russia we're talking about. Pretty sure the US can do twice over what the Russkies can.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I do like the idea of your CBO. Apparently academics, statistics, facts and non-partisanship do have a place in US governance.

You'll notice it is only the RWs here who accuse the CBO of . . . well, of what has never been entirely clear to me, but accuse they do.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Canada's entire population is less than the that of the state of California. No comparison in scope or costs.

Indeed not. On U.S. scale it probably would work better, because of economies of scale.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Backward ass developing countries like China and India pull off UHC. Pretty sure the US can do better than those two countries. Far less population and much better governance.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You'll notice it is only the RWs hear who accuse the CBO of . . . well, of what has never been entirely clear to me, but accuse they do.

Ignorant RWingers. Both parties generally seem to support the CBO. A bit of whining when it doesn't agree with them but no plans on making changes.

 

[Rightguide]

Indeed not. On U.S. scale it probably would work better, because of economies of scale.

Not without bankrupting the country which is already technically bankrupt. Obamacare failed because it wasn't economically sustainable. Democrats were told this on day one but passed it anyway.

 

[Rightguide]

Ignorant RWingers. Both parties generally seem to support the CBO. A bit of whining when it doesn't agree with them but no plans on making changes.

What you don't understand as don't many others is that the CBO can only score by law the parameters they are provided with. So it's quite easy to achieve a favorable CNO score simply by limiting the information provided to the CBO for scoring.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not without bankrupting the country which is already technically bankrupt.

Single-payer has not bankrupted Canada, nor any country that has tried it; why the U.S.? Why is our country so inferior?

 

[KingOrfeo]

What you don't understand as don't many others is that the CBO can only score by law the parameters they are provided with. So it's quite easy to achieve a favorable CNO score simply by limiting the information provided to the CBO for scoring.

And how does the party out of power so limit the information provided?