If Trump obstructed justice Comey broke the law by not reporting it
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Once again, the Times reported that an unnamed source read the alleged memo Comey supposedly wrote. How did the Times verify the accuracy of the existence of the memo?
Is that true or not? Yes or no.
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Same question I posed last night, If Comey knew about "obstruction of justice" in February, why did he wait until he was fired to report it?
Another thing all executive power is vested in the President. Bureaucrats stop investigations all the time for a variety of reasons. I don't see how the President doesn't have the constitutional authority to do the same to a groundless politically inspired investigation.
Another thing all executive power is vested in the President. Bureaucrats stop investigations all the time for a variety of reasons. I don't see how the President doesn't have the constitutional authority to do the same to a groundless politically inspired investigation.
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Looks like Comey said something stupid too because now he's going to have to testify under oath about it and produce those notes that impune his judgment and character and expose his own motives to obstruct justice.
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you sure did. how insightful of you. good job. it's almost like you're people.
That is not true. An LEO is under no obligation to report a suspected crime immediately, that's a matter within his range of on-the-street discretion; indeed, simply letting the matter go is usually within his discretion if he's not bribed to. In Comey's case, when Trump started pressuring him to stop investigating Flynn, it was far too soon to go public against the POTUS just with that, so he did the sensible thing and started creating a paper trail.
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That lasts for months? Bullshit.
We're talking about the POTUS here. The FBI director does not go public against him unless it becomes a very serious matter.
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Bullshit. You have zero clue what's in Comey's mind.
We don't need to know that, what he wrote down is sufficient.
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No, it isn't. It's merely his recollection of events possibly tainted by his anger at being dismissed.
Well, they're not obliged to, are they? They will if they can, but just what the source says is News Fit to Print and enough to publish.
No, he wrote down all his memos immediately after meeting with or conversing with Trump, before he was dismissed. Very prudent of him, too.
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And the President did not ORDER the investigation halted. According to everything we are hearing, he merely expressed his hope that Comey would "see fit" to conclude it. However "uncomfortable" the suggestion made Comey, the mere fact that he wrote a memo for the file does not establish as a certainty that EVEN COMEY BELIEVED Trump was guilty of obstruction of justice.
Hell, given Comey's analysis that Hillary played fast and loose with classified documents but STILL wasn't guilty of criminal intent, it is absolutely ludicrous to believe that he would try to build a case for obstruction based on a single comment made in passing, even in light of his firing. In fact, especially considering his firing was supported by the two highest ranking persons in the DOJ.
Well, discouragement could still be obstruction, it's a close call.
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Well, that IS my point. "Close" but not nearly close enough of a call for Congressional Democrats and Jeff Toobin to be running around screaming "OBSTRUCTION" as if it was a slam dunk.
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Taken alone, it's probably not enough. However, combined with the fact that Comey was not only continuing but also expanding the investigation and then the subsequent firing of him and Trump's admission that he wanted to do this for a while and it might be enough.
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How do yo know when they were written?
No doubt they have date-stamps on them -- certainly they do if Comey emailed them to himself. And in any case, if Comey says he wrote the memos contemporaneously with the conversations they record, I believe him -- because unlike Trump he has no reputation for dishonesty, and because that is exactly what an FBI director in his position would have done if he were not an idiot, and because he doesn't really need them, his word alone would suffice to support an obstruction charge.
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Bullshit. The WORDS of the President are what would support the charge IF those words were not disputed AND were sufficient on their face to PROVE his intent beyond a REASONABLE doubt.
We've got a long, long way to go here, and Elvis hasn't even called a cab, much less left the building.
