How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

How did Noah know that his ark floated above the tallest mountains? Did a bird tell him?

It's too ridiculous. There is no geologic evidence for a global flood, lots of evidence against it, and no geologic mechanism that could cause it to happen without leaving any traces of it. Evidence for the pace and course of evolution make it impossible for every species to radiate from a single mountaintop a few thousand years ago. The current variety of genetic traits in humans likewise could never have come from only eight individuals, three of whom were sons of two others.

Well he was on the arc for a year and didn't crash.

So you are admitting that they couldn't have evolved.

I don't agree that there is no geological evidence for a global flood.

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm

 

[phrodeau]

Well he was on the arc for a year and didn't crash.

So you are admitting that they couldn't have evolved.

I don't agree that there is no geological evidence for a global flood.

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm

I love this quote:

"Science... has found evidence for a massive deluge that may ... have inspired Noah's tale.

Yep, a local event inspiring a tale of a worldwide flood.

And yes, I will freely admit that species could not have evolved to the degree that they obviously would have to, in a few thousand years. Evolution happens at much longer time scales. Basic science, that.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I really have been cursed with everything under the sun because of my faith.

Why because of your faith? Not that Christians never get a hard time in this country, but you pretty much have to go out of your way (e.g., by witnessing on a messageboard) to find one.

 

[ishtat]

(Oh and thanks everybody)

Good, you haven't gone. Put yourself first for a change because I suspect others that should might not be doing so.

I'm not going to be snarky or tell anybody they are bonkers though I have one or two doubts about the op!

But in a world where 99% of Christians accept the fact of evolution because they believe that their God had to create the evolution process in order to cope with all the planets which circle the 100 billion stars in our galaxy let alone the other 70 Billion galaxies discovered so far. So why does a tiny tiny minority - almost entirely American Christians think otherwise. I'm not gunna argue but I reckon St Peter is gunna give the creationists a right bollocking for underestimating God's powers when they get to the Pearly gates.

I like facts so I might throw one or two in from time to time. For example Jesus is mentioned 25 separate times in the Koran. The Koran says he was one of the greatest prophets and a great moral teacher who should be revered. It denies resurrection but says he ascended directly to heaven. They also believe the trinity was a nonsense invented by the third/fourth century church. They also hold Mary (Mariam) in tremendous respect - more so than many Protestants do.

Now a puzzle Does anyone know why the story of the three kings was included in the Christmas story. There is a clue in the Fravahar.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Now a puzzle Does anyone know why the story of the three kings was included in the Christmas story. There is a clue in the Fravahar.

What, this?

http://earthbeforeflood.com/images/fravahar--2-.jpg

Not seeing any clues.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Good, you haven't gone. Put yourself first for a change because I suspect others that should might not be doing so.

I'm not going to be snarky or tell anybody they are bonkers though I have one or two doubts about the op!

But in a world where 99% of Christians accept the fact of evolution because they believe that their God had to create the evolution process in order to cope with all the planets which circle the 100 billion stars in our galaxy let alone the other 70 Billion galaxies discovered so far. So why does a tiny tiny minority - almost entirely American Christians think otherwise. I'm not gunna argue but I reckon St Peter is gunna give the creationists a right bollocking for underestimating God's powers when they get to the Pearly gates.

I like facts so I might throw one or two in from time to time. For example Jesus is mentioned 25 separate times in the Koran. The Koran says he was one of the greatest prophets and a great moral teacher who should be revered. It denies resurrection but says he ascended directly to heaven. They also believe the trinity was a nonsense invented by the third/fourth century church. They also hold Mary (Mariam) in tremendous respect - more so than many Protestants do.

Now a puzzle Does anyone know why the story of the three kings was included in the Christmas story. There is a clue in the Fravahar.

Islam is very respectful of most figures in the Bible. People tend to ignore that due to obvious reasons. They even say Jesus will be back.
If I remember right Moses is the most mentioned person in the Koran.

 

[rocket_surgery]

As for the flood I've always thought by "whole world" it meant the whole world to humans which would have been a lot smaller and easier to flood. Why flood the rest of the planet if nobody was living on it? Waste of resources.
Same with the argument that you can't fit all the animals in the world on the ark. Don't need to. All the animals in that area excluding fish, most insects and most birds. Much smaller sample size.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The three wise men, the Magi, were Zoroastrians. Just the biblical authors giving a nod to the roots of Christianity's version of monotheism.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I think Yanks have such a fascination with creationism due to fact they think their republic sprang up complete and perfect on the first day. Most of the rest of us live in countries which evolved from previous forms.

Good, you haven't gone. Put yourself first for a change because I suspect others that should might not be doing so.

I'm not going to be snarky or tell anybody they are bonkers though I have one or two doubts about the op!

But in a world where 99% of Christians accept the fact of evolution because they believe that their God had to create the evolution process in order to cope with all the planets which circle the 100 billion stars in our galaxy let alone the other 70 Billion galaxies discovered so far. So why does a tiny tiny minority - almost entirely American Christians think otherwise. I'm not gunna argue but I reckon St Peter is gunna give the creationists a right bollocking for underestimating God's powers when they get to the Pearly gates.

I like facts so I might throw one or two in from time to time. For example Jesus is mentioned 25 separate times in the Koran. The Koran says he was one of the greatest prophets and a great moral teacher who should be revered. It denies resurrection but says he ascended directly to heaven. They also believe the trinity was a nonsense invented by the third/fourth century church. They also hold Mary (Mariam) in tremendous respect - more so than many Protestants do.

Now a puzzle Does anyone know why the story of the three kings was included in the Christmas story. There is a clue in the Fravahar.

revolution is not evolution.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The three wise men, the Magi, were Zoroastrians.

If they came from "the East," then probably, but not necessarily.

 

[phrodeau]

As for the flood I've always thought by "whole world" it meant the whole world to humans which would have been a lot smaller and easier to flood. Why flood the rest of the planet if nobody was living on it? Waste of resources.
Same with the argument that you can't fit all the animals in the world on the ark. Don't need to. All the animals in that area excluding fish, most insects and most birds. Much smaller sample size.

You'll never convince Ken Ham of that. A Mighty Flooder is his God.

 

[rocket_surgery]

You'll never convince Ken Ham of that. A Mighty Flooder is his God.

Not my place to convince someone their religion is wrong. Not anyones place as far as I'm concerned.

 

[phrodeau]

Not my place to convince someone their religion is wrong. Not anyones place as far as I'm concerned.

Ken Ham has taken that place, and so have thousands of other evangelicals.

 

[rocket_surgery]

Ken Ham has taken that place, and so have thousands of other evangelicals.

So? They have a right to do that if they so choose.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not my place to convince someone their religion is wrong. Not anyones place as far as I'm concerned.

It is the place of the Unitarian Inquisition.

Ve haff vays of makink you tink for yourzelf!

 

[Tryharder62]

Why because of your faith? Not that Christians never get a hard time in this country, but you pretty much have to go out of your way (e.g., by witnessing on a messageboard) to find one.

I'm in a unique situation. I am a nurse but I am a faith community nurse. I got my bachelor degree in nursing. I worked in psych for 17 years and then I became certified in faith community nursing, also called parish nursing. Parish nurses believe that each person has physical, psychological, and spiritual needs. There is evidence that people who have all of these needs addressed do better with their recovery to illness.

I work for a local hospital but I am based in a church. The church pays my salary but the hospital gives me benefits and continued education with other parish nurses. Interestingly enough I have never worked in a church that is the same denomination as me. (I have trouble with denominations because I think they serve to divide us rather than unite us in Christ).

I worship in a Baptist church but I work in a Catholic Church and formally worked in a Methodist Church. They changed the name from parish nurse to faith community nursing because any faith can do this. Muslim, Jewish etc. Atheists also have spiritual needs. I have discovered by talking here that they might find their spiritual needs filled by nature or the love of their family and friends etc.

Now I pray with my patients but if they have a deep spiritual need to be addressed I call the priest or deacons to come and visit with them to help them.

It has put me in some interesting situations.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I'm in a unique situation. I am a nurse but I am a faith community nurse. I got my bachelor degree in nursing. I worked in psych for 17 years and then I became certified in faith community nursing, also called parish nursing. Parish nurses believe that each person has physical, psychological, and spiritual needs. There is evidence that people who have all of these needs addressed do better with their recovery to illness.

I work for a local hospital but I am based in a church. The church pays my salary but the hospital gives me benefits and continued education with other parish nurses. Interestingly enough I have never worked in a church that is the same denomination as me. (I have trouble with denominations because I think they serve to divide us rather than unite us in Christ).

I worship in a Baptist church but I work in a Catholic Church and formally worked in a Methodist Church. They changed the name from parish nurse to faith community nursing because any faith can do this. Muslim, Jewish etc. Atheists also have spiritual needs. I have discovered by talking here that they might find their spiritual needs filled by nature or the love of their family and friends etc.

Now I pray with my patients but if they have a deep spiritual need to be addressed I call the priest or deacons to come and visit with them to help them.

It has put me in some interesting situations.

Sounds like you have found a fulfilling and meaningful life of helping people who are in trouble and need. But how does any of that amount to being "cursed with everything under the sun" because of your faith? It must involve a lot of hard work, but is work a curse? It is written (by you, in this thread) that nothing worthwhile is easy. And don't most nurses work hard, even atheists?

 

[Tryharder62]

Good, you haven't gone. Put yourself first for a change because I suspect others that should might not be doing so.

I'm not going to be snarky or tell anybody they are bonkers though I have one or two doubts about the op!

But in a world where 99% of Christians accept the fact of evolution because they believe that their God had to create the evolution process in order to cope with all the planets which circle the 100 billion stars in our galaxy let alone the other 70 Billion galaxies discovered so far. So why does a tiny tiny minority - almost entirely American Christians think otherwise. I'm not gunna argue but I reckon St Peter is gunna give the creationists a right bollocking for underestimating God's powers when they get to the Pearly gates.

I like facts so I might throw one or two in from time to time. For example Jesus is mentioned 25 separate times in the Koran. The Koran says he was one of the greatest prophets and a great moral teacher who should be revered. It denies resurrection but says he ascended directly to heaven. They also believe the trinity was a nonsense invented by the third/fourth century church. They also hold Mary (Mariam) in tremendous respect - more so than many Protestants do.

Now a puzzle Does anyone know why the story of the three kings was included in the Christmas story. There is a clue in the Fravahar.

Well I admit to being bonkers sometimes. I looked at your profile and I am just guessing you are from Australia. In the United States it isn't 99% of Christians believing in Evolution. Though this is a poll from 2014, I think it is pretty accurate still.http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx You can find other studies about the same.

I do agree with the evolutionary process of adaptation and mutation. I could see that it could lead to speciation, but I just don't see the evidence that it has.

My personal opinion is that Christians just need more evidence for speciation. It is an important consideration to some Christians because when God created he said that everything was good, and he was finished and rested.

I like your information on the Koran. My opinion on the last question is in post 1790.

Thank you for your kind words!

 

[KingOrfeo]

My personal opinion is that Christians just need more evidence for speciation. It is an important consideration to some Christians because when God created he said that everything was good, and he was finished and rested.

Cannot even a fundamentalist accept the concept that the Bible contains some poetic metaphors?!

 

[Tryharder62]

Sounds like you have found a fulfilling and meaningful life of helping people who are in trouble and need. But how does any of that amount to being "cursed with everything under the sun" because of your faith? It must involve a lot of hard work, but is work a curse? And don't most nurses work hard, even atheists?

What I said doesn't have anything to do with my work. It does identify me as a Christian, but my work is not "hard", I love it. I can do it at my own pace. I get to see a patient recover. Sometimes when I worked in the hospital I just patched em and hoped it helped.

I was trying to convey that most of the time Christians are portrayed as the ones being judgmental and intolerant. It is OK to do that. Now if I came on here and said some of the things people said about Christ regarding Buddha or Allah it would have been a sh*t storm. How dare I!! In life, not just my job, I have been told what the f*ck do I think I'm doing trying to help. I'm just a Christian Bitch. You probably want to f*ck Jesus for eternity. It just doesn't seem that people are as sensitive to the feelings of Christians. That is what I see from where I stand.

 

[Tryharder62]

Cannot even a fundamentalist accept the concept that the Bible contains some poetic metaphors?!

Some do some don't.

 

[RubiDia]

I hate goodbyes too. Goodbye.

 

[Tryharder62]

I hate goodbyes too. Goodbye.

Let me tell you goodbye doesn't mean forever, no goodbye doesn't mean we'll never be together again.

Love that movie (Even though Elliot needs to watch his language )...changed my user title from I'm a Girl to Goodbye girl!!!LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1pIlm8ybWA

 

[KingOrfeo]

Now if I came on here and said some of the things people said about Christ regarding Buddha or Allah it would have been a sh*t storm. How dare I!!

Go ahead. Their honor is not ours to defend. The Islamophobes on this board are down on Muslims, not Allah -- that's what the rest of us object to.

I'm just a Christian Bitch. You probably want to f*ck Jesus for eternity.

Errrmmmm . . . well, yeah, I guess that is one way of looking at what Heaven is like . . . "Bride of Christ" and all that . . . it would totally make sense of the saint-in-ecstasy thing . . . "Jesus Loves Me Physically!"

 

[Tryharder62]

Go ahead. Their honor is not ours to defend. The Islamophobes on this board are down on Muslims, not Allah -- that's what the rest of us object to.

Errrmmmm . . . well, yeah, I guess that is one way of looking at what Heaven is like . . . "Bride of Christ" and all that . . . it would totally make sense of the saint-in-ecstasy thing . . . "Jesus Loves Me Physically!"

I don't want to put anyone down. I am not down on Muslims or Allah! I just never understood why some people need to put others down to feel good about themselves. However you look at it, this life is short. We all have to choose a path to get through it. For instance, there are wacko's in every grouping. I don't put all Muslims down because of what a some wackos are doing. However, I get brushed with the same brush used to look at Wesboro Baptist. You can call yourself what you want doesn't make it true.

Crazy huhLOL What will they think of next!!!
https://img.memesuper.com/39e8c445aff5e29e651a80fb1c07dd58_memes-shocked-face-memes-shocked-face_736-552.jpeg