Transgenders and suicide

[OldJourno]

sexchangeregret.com

I never gave any thought to transgenders, other than the fact they were definitely wired differently from me.
Turns out they are really, really unhappy, if studies are to be believed.

From an essay by Allyne Caan:
An astounding 46% of transgender men and 42% of transgender women have attempted suicide, according to one study from the Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. Among transgender individuals who underwent hormone treatment, the suicide-attempt rate was 45%. By comparison, less than 5% of the overall U.S. population reports attempting suicide in their lifetime.

I think these sad statistics are made even more grim by parents and doctors who take steps to "change" the gender of a 12-year-old when, IMO, no one that age is capable of making that kind of decision.
Food for thought.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Gotta be pretty confusing. Male or female, female or male. Plus most of this comes about during puberty when suicide rates seem to spike. Top it off with a definite visible prejudice to TG from a good part of society. I'm not surprised that their attempted suicide rate is so high.

At 12 is when puberty kicks in. Sexual identity will rear it's head. If your kid at 12 comes to you and says they are TG support them or risk losing them.

 

[OldJourno]

Gotta be pretty confusing. Male or female, female or male. Plus most of this comes about during puberty when suicide rates seem to spike. Top it off with a definite visible prejudice to TG from a good part of society. I'm not surprised that their attempted suicide rate is so high.

At 12 is when puberty kicks in. Sexual identity will rear it's head. If your kid at 12 comes to you and says they are TG support them or risk losing them.

From the essay:
It's bad enough that supposedly rational adults embrace such confusion, but now they're seeking to validate their position by conducting medical and psychological experiments on children as young as kindergarten-age.
In a recent New York Times guest column, Yale School of Medicine Research Fellow Jack Turban praises the medical (mal)practice of giving children who dislike their birth-gender implants to block the onset of puberty so they can prepare to "transition" to their chosen gender. He tells the story of 14-year-old "Hannah" — born a boy — who "is using a puberty-blocking implant and getting ready to embark on the path of developing a female body by starting estrogen." The implant, Turban writes, is a "hard rod" just beneath the skin of "Hannah's" arm which "releases a drug that turns off the brain cells that would otherwise kick off puberty. ... [It's] been in place for two years, preventing the process that would have deepened her voice and given her an Adam's apple."
In other words, beginning at age 12, "Hannah's" parents, with the complicity of medical professionals, began giving this child drugs to stunt his brain cells and the natural progression of biology.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Kindergarten is far too young. But a 12 year old should know what gender they relate to. You have to be pretty open and accepting for a 12 year old to come clean about this at an such an early stage. But if your kid is positive this is transgenderism and not homosexuality, which would require some deep soul searching conversations, then it would save time, effort and grief to commit to change as soon as possible.

The article certainly does not sound TG 'friendly'. Many folk still don't believe in transgenderism. More likely to feel it is some sort of sickness like they did with homosexuality way way back when.

 

[OldJourno]

Kindergarten is far too young. But a 12 year old should know what gender they relate to. You have to be pretty open and accepting for a 12 year old to come clean about this at an such an early stage. But if your kid is positive this is transgenderism and not homosexuality, which would require some deep soul searching conversations, then it would save time, effort and grief to commit to change as soon as possible.

The article certainly does not sound TG 'friendly'. Many folk still don't believe in transgenderism. More likely to feel it is some sort of sickness like they did with homosexuality way way back when.

Perhaps it's hard to be TG "friendly" when almost half of them attempt suicide. That is a stunning piece of information.

 

[Rightguide]

Studies have shown they're mentally fucked up to start with.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Perhaps it's hard to be TG "friendly" when almost half of them attempt suicide. That is a stunning piece of information.

You have a hard time being friendly with someone who is confused, conflicted and subject to discrimination through no fault of their own? I doubt many folk would choose to be born transgendered.

Studies have shown they're mentally fucked up to start with.

Cite. If no citations edit to 'I think they're...'

 

[Rightguide]

You have a hard time being friendly with someone who is confused, conflicted and subject to discrimination through no fault of their own? I doubt many folk would choose to be born transgendered.



Cite. If no citations edit to 'I think they're...'

Google John Hopkins + Transgender + mental illness + Dr. Paul R. McHugh

If you're registered on Wallstreet Journal you can find it here:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

If not you can read it here:

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/06...ental-disorder-biologically-impossible-210202

 

[Hard_Rom]

Google John Hopkins + Transgender + mental illness + Dr. Paul R. McHugh

If you're registered on Wallstreet Journal you can find it here:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

If not you can read it here:

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/06...ental-disorder-biologically-impossible-210202

Still not cited a study. You have quoted a person who thinks that it is a mental disorder. He may be a published doctor but still citing an opinion not something backed up by facts, numbers and studies. The same was thought of for homosexuality. It was a disease, a mental disorder. And I have agreed that TG folk have a good chance to have mental illness. But the metal illness does not cause the transgenderism. That's just a matter of a few neurons in the brain wired up to indicate a certain gender but in the wrong type of body. So is it the mind that determines gender or the package between your legs? I say the mind.

 

[Rightguide]

Still not cited a study. You have quoted a person who thinks that it is a mental disorder. He may be a published doctor but still citing an opinion not something backed up by facts, numbers and studies. The same was thought of for homosexuality. It was a disease, a mental disorder. And I have agreed that TG folk have a good chance to have mental illness. But the metal illness does not cause the transgenderism. That's just a matter of a few neurons in the brain wired up to indicate a certain gender but in the wrong type of body. So is it the mind that determines gender or the package between your legs? I say the mind.

Don't be dumb. Look at his credentials, read about who he is and what he's done. And he did cite a study and he's one of the most prominent Psychiatrists in America. check it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._McHugh

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Still not cited a study. You have quoted a person who thinks that it is a mental disorder. He may be a published doctor but still citing an opinion not something backed up by facts, numbers and studies. The same was thought of for homosexuality. It was a disease, a mental disorder. And I have agreed that TG folk have a good chance to have mental illness. But the metal illness does not cause the transgenderism. That's just a matter of a few neurons in the brain wired up to indicate a certain gender but in the wrong type of body. So is it the mind that determines gender or the package between your legs? I say the mind.

He didn't merely quote "a person who thinks that it is a mental disorder." He quoted the Chief of Psychiatry at John Hopkins during the time they literally pioneered sexual reassignment surgery. (His opinion would be opening up John Hopkins to a world of lawsuits if those people weren't all dead by now). He has facts, numbers and studies beyond anything you have ever read and ever will, with more than 40 years of studying this issue.

 

[Rightguide]

He didn't merely quote "a person who thinks that it is a mental disorder." He quoted the Chief of Psychiatry at John Hopkins during the time they literally pioneered sexual reassignment surgery. His opinion would be opening up John Hopkins to a world of lawsuits (if those people weren't all dead by now). He has facts, numbers and studies beyond anything you have ever read and ever will, with more than 40 years of studying this issue.

In the article, he refers to "studies" as the Wiki article does. It's amazing how some can just disregard the findings of highly experienced medical professionals as a mere opinion. So I'm with you, Lady.

 

[Sean]

He didn't merely quote "a person who thinks that it is a mental disorder." He quoted the Chief of Psychiatry at John Hopkins during the time they literally pioneered sexual reassignment surgery. (His opinion would be opening up John Hopkins to a world of lawsuits if those people weren't all dead by now). He has facts, numbers and studies beyond anything you have ever read and ever will, with more than 40 years of studying this issue.

The guy has a track record of bigotry against gays and TG people. He writes for that American College of Paediatricians , ffs, their only raison d'etre is bigotry.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

The guy has a track record of bigotry against gays and TG people. He writes for that American College of Paediatricians , ffs, their only raison d'etre is bigotry.

I have not seen evidence of bigotry (I don't think you mean bigotry though, you mean prejudice or bias?). I have seen that he goes 100% against today's conventional wisdom, and that it pisses people off. Transgenders have a mental disorder and do commit suicide at a rate of 40%. The truth angers people, but I think everyone needs to know what they are getting into instead of letting a 12 year old transition (see ridiculous suggestion upthread).

 

[Hard_Rom]

Doctors of psychiatry can't be wrong or bigoted? a disorder of assumption? homosexuality an 'erroneous desire'? Sounds like he is quite a bit behind the times and relying on falsehoods taught when he was much younger. So yes I feel confident in tossing out his opinion.

 

[colddiesel]

Might sound tough but I'm inclined to think that this high suicide rate is just natural selection at work.

High suicide rates are a characteristic of all groups which don't fit the 'accepted' norms, whether mental, physical or emotional.

 

[Rightguide]

I have not seen evidence of bigotry (I don't think you mean bigotry though, you mean prejudice or bias?). I have seen that he goes 100% against today's conventional wisdom, and that it pisses people off. Transgenders have a mental disorder and do commit suicide at a rate of 40%. The truth angers people, but I think everyone needs to know what they are getting into instead of letting a 12 year old transition (see ridiculous suggestion upthread).

I read where children are being introduced to the concept of transgenderism as young as Third Grade.

 

[Rightguide]

Doctors of psychiatry can't be wrong or bigoted? a disorder of assumption? homosexuality an 'erroneous desire'? Sounds like he is quite a bit behind the times and relying on falsehoods taught when he was much younger. So yes I feel confident in tossing out his opinion.

The facts of 'science" aren't controlled by "the times," only "political" science.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Doctors of psychiatry can't be wrong or bigoted? a disorder of assumption? homosexuality an 'erroneous desire'? Sounds like he is quite a bit behind the times and relying on falsehoods taught when he was much younger. So yes I feel confident in tossing out his opinion.

We are not talking about doctors in general, we are talking about one in particular. He has 40 years of studying the issue and you have none other than heavy.com and buzzfeed articles. You don't know what he "sounds like" because you have not read him and his studies. You simply don't like his pronouncements and are rejecting them. That is your prerogative, toss his opinion all you like. Just don't try to use bullshit excuses.

 

[Sean]

The facts of 'science" aren't controlled by "the times," only "political" science.

Ten years ago it was a fact that Pluto was a planet.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The facts of 'science" aren't controlled by "the times," only "political" science.

So the round earth is a political conspiracy? How about continental drift. That only caught on in the late 50s and early 60s. I have an old textbook that just touches on the 'new' theory of continental drift. The dude is out of date and out of touch.

 

[Hard_Rom]

We are not talking about doctors in general, we are talking about one in particular. He has 40 years of studying the issue and you have none other than heavy.com and buzzfeed articles. You don't know what he "sounds like" because you have not read him and his studies. You simply don't like his pronouncements and are rejecting them. That is your prerogative, toss his opinion all you like. Just don't try to use bullshit excuses.

I have no idea what you refer to when speaking of heavy.com and buzzfeed. I don't watch any weird ass sites. BBC, CBC, real books and Wikipedia are my sources 95% of the time. I form my opinions from fact not others opinions. I don't listen to or read bloggers or podcasts.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Might sound tough but I'm inclined to think that this high suicide rate is just natural selection at work.

High suicide rates are a characteristic of all groups which don't fit the 'accepted' norms, whether mental, physical or emotional.

That doesn't make it natural selection. Humans are not animals driving out the albino of the species because he does not blend in!

We are capable of much higher order of thinking than that. Unfortunately such higher order of thinking include hate, prejudice and bigotry.

Animals would drive out an albino because it threatens the herd. TG and homosexuals pose no threat to 'normal' humans.

 

[OldJourno]

This thread isn't about hate and prejudice. It's about high suicide rates among transgenders and the steps some parents and doctors are taking on very young people who aren't even old enough to drive.
I think it's wrong.
Following is the entire essay.


Allyne Caan

Trying to understand the logic of cultural leftists is an exercise in futility. After years — decades, actually — of downplaying and essentially denying any difference between the sexes and claiming gender roles are social constructs, they've done an about-face. Not only are certain characteristics indicative of gender but the sexes are so different that those who dislike their own can and even should claim another! Because there is no uniqueness between the sexes. Except when there is.

It's bad enough that supposedly rational adults embrace such confusion, but now they're seeking to validate their position by conducting medical and psychological experiments on children as young as kindergarten-age.

In a recent New York Times guest column, Yale School of Medicine Research Fellow Jack Turban praises the medical (mal)practice of giving children who dislike their birth-gender implants to block the onset of puberty so they can prepare to "transition" to their chosen gender. He tells the story of 14-year-old "Hannah" — born a boy — who "is using a puberty-blocking implant and getting ready to embark on the path of developing a female body by starting estrogen."

The implant, Turban writes, is a "hard rod" just beneath the skin of "Hannah's" arm which "releases a drug that turns off the brain cells that would otherwise kick off puberty. ... [It's] been in place for two years, preventing the process that would have deepened her voice and given her an Adam's apple."

In other words, beginning at age 12, "Hannah's" parents, with the complicity of medical professionals, began giving this child drugs to stunt his brain cells and the natural progression of biology.

It's absurd that the obvious even requires saying, but for the record, this kind of medical experimentation on children is not a mark of a civilized society. In fact, one might argue it's child abuse. Then again, a nation that dismembers its in-utero children can hardly become queasy at blocking brain cells. That would be a bit incongruous, now, wouldn't it?

In a fashion typical of those who embrace transgenderism and other manifestations of gender disorientation pathology, Turban has hardly a negative word to say about any harmful effects of chemically altering children's brain cells to deliberately stunt natural development.

Instead, he paints a rosy picture, points to "Hannah" as "happy" with the implant, and calls him a "thriving teenager." And he erroneously claims that "[o]ver the past few years, it has become clear that if we support these children in their transgender identities instead of trying to change them, they thrive instead of struggling with anxiety and depression."

Putting aside for a moment the fact that the only ones trying to "change" children are those implanting drugs in their arms to botch brain cell activity, "thrive" is hardly an accurate word for thousands of individuals who bought into the deception that if only they could become the gender they wanted, they would find joy.

An astounding 46% of transgender men and 42% of transgender women have attempted suicide, according to one study from the Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. Among transgender individuals who underwent hormone treatment, the suicide-attempt rate was 45%. By comparison, less than 5% of the overall U.S. population reports attempting suicide in their lifetime.

In fact, the study authors specifically write, "Overall, the most striking finding of our analysis was the exceptionally high prevalence of lifetime suicide attempts reported by ... [transgender and gender non-conforming adults] across all demographics and experiences."

This finding would not surprise Walt Heyer, who underwent a sex-change operation and lived as a woman for eight years without finding the peace he craved.

"Changing genders is short-term gain with long-term pain," he writes, "Its consequences include early mortality, regret, mental illness, and suicide."

Heyer isn't alone. His website, sexchangeregret.com, shares the stories not heralded by the media — the stories of what happens to people like "Hannah" weeks, months and even years down the road.

In a brand new column, Heyer writes, "Doctors jam trans kids with puberty blockers and trans adults with cross-gender hormones, then recommend irreversible genital surgery, all without having long-term systematic studies of the effectiveness of such invasive treatment. Parents of trans kids don't have the benefit of trustworthy information on the probable outcomes of up to 90 percent of gender changers."

That's because the vast majority of post-trans surgery subjects are what's called "lost to follow-up," so no studies account for them. Some of that is intentional — just not counting those who transition back to their birth sex — because, according to Heyer, "LGBTQ studies purposefully exclude anything that would reflect badly on their overblown trans agenda."

"Hannah" is searching for an identity that will never be found in medical inducements or surgical constructions. By telling him otherwise and applauding those who damage children psychologically and physically in the name of gender progressivism, the Jack Turbans of the world — never mind the parents and mad scientists who hurt these kids — aren't giving hope; they're endorsing child abuse.

 

[OldJourno]

Let me rephrase: I don't think starting the transgender process medically to a pre-teen or very young teen isn't wrong, as I previously stated.
It is horrifying.