Trump team ultimatum: No more talks, time to vote

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, they do.

It's in the Constitution, look it up.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights.

Hard to do that when you're dead.

LOL, you need to go read the Constitution cupcake.

And since when did you care about rights and liberty?? Last we talked you hated liberty and rights.

Technically they're in the Declaration of Independence and are the first three (unalienable) rights claimed.

Wrong, all rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights, and even then a very stripped down worthless version of them.

Reality is you have no rights.

And even if they were Gubbmint HC violates the shit out of the right to liberty.

Agreed. It was, however, the best option available at the time

Only because most (D)'s are corrupt sacks of shit.

and a marked improvement over the bad old days. We've litigated this before.

Not for the price, it's a fucking scam.

This seems to be one of the defining issues of our decade. The general consensus in America seems to be that there is a right.

Then they need to have a convention and enshrine that shit.

Oh wait, there is no general consensus in America so it's not.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's not a debate, nationalism =/= white supremacy....no matter what Salon says.

It is if full membership in the nation is exclusively by heredity and ethnicity, and that is what King is implying.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Okay. I didn't perhaps say it as clearly as I should have. My concern is that there are not enough people like me IN the Republican party to make a difference by leaving it should the resurgence to the right continue.

But there might be enough of you to make a difference to whatever existing or new party you migrate to.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Maybe if (D)'s hadn't been super corrupt shit bags with their garbage ass ACA in the first place and just done what everyone elected the mother fuckers to do......

If they were Dems, health care reform was part of what they were elected to do.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The problem is, the Pubs finally have power and don't know what to do with it. They don't know what they want to do about health care or anything else. They know they want to undo everything the Dems and even moderate to liberal Pubs have done since 1933, but now they're learning that actually undoing it would be political suicide in the reddest of states; and beyond that they haven't a clue. The old kind of Pub who is both capable of and interested in constructive policy proposals has been sidelined. Even W's feeble "compassionate conservatism" would be off the table in today's GOP.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It is if full membership in the nation is exclusively by heredity and ethnicity, and that is what King is implying.

Ethnicity had nothing to do with it.

That's your justice demo psychosis where anything that you don't agree with = racism and misogyny.

You're fucking DESPERATE to make nationalism racist because you fucking hate the USA and everything it stands for.

If they were Dems, health care reform was part of what they were elected to do.

Then why the fuck didn't they do it when they had the opportunity to?

Why fuck with a totally lame bullshit ACA.......??

Because they are there to fill their pockets, not do right by the people they are supposed to be representing.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Ethnicity had nothing to do with it.

It obviously did in King's mind and the minds of his target audience.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It obviously did in King's mind and the minds of his target audience.

Americans? That's not white supremacy.

You're just making shit up KO.....100% assumption of white supremacy.


Just own up to your hatred of the USA and quit trying to make every shred of nationalism and patriotism into white supremacy.....it's not.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not for the price, it's a fucking scam.

Yes, you keep repeating your little talking point over and over: "Whaaaa! It's too expensive!". It might be, but America seems willing to bear the cost, especially considering the alternatives.

I realize this is anathema to ideological purists such as yourself, as is the idea of "compromise solution".

Then they need to have a convention and enshrine that shit.

Oh wait, there is no general consensus in Asmerica so it's not.

Nice attempt to move the goalposts.
You won't find 75% of America willing to agree on anything in this toxic political climate. I could promote an amendment to declare the sky was blue and you'd immediately oppose it, because reasons.

The consensus I speak of consists of the following:

• The ACA passed the House by majority vote
• The ACA passed the Senate by majority vote
• The President signed the ACA into law
• The Supreme Court upheld the constutionality of the ACA not once but twice
• An attempt to repeal the ACA failed to leave the Republican-led House of Representatives

That's a pretty solid indicator of "consensus", in my opinion.

Tell me, do you have a right to privacy?

 

[sr71plt]

The problem is, the Pubs finally have power and don't know what to do with it. They don't know what they want to do about health care or anything else. They know they want to undo everything the Dems and even moderate to liberal Pubs have done since 1933, but now they're learning that actually undoing it would be political suicide in the reddest of states; and beyond that they haven't a clue. The old kind of Pub who is both capable of and interested in constructive policy proposals has been sidelined. Even W's feeble "compassionate conservatism" would be off the table in today's GOP.

Not only did they have seven years to come up with their own plan, they have had four months knowing they were the party in power in both the Congress and the White House and they still didn't come up with their own plan. And they didn't do that because they just don't want to accept that the people want reasonably priced health care and that they don't just want to make Insurance Company execs billionaires. They couldn't get a plan of their own because they are owned by the monied interests. And to the extent that Obamacare isn't working is because the monied interests are doing everything they can to undermine it. Where the scalpel needs to be applied is on the insurance companies and their lobbyists. There's no way the Trump Administration is going to do that and there's no way that Trump is going to deliver the cheap health care coverage that he promised unless he does do that.

 

[zipman]

I love it when morons scream "you hate the USA" as part of a lame attempt to promote their position.

Nothing screams stupidity quite like that.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Americans? That's not white supremacy.

You're just making shit up KO.....100% assumption of white supremacy.


Just own up to your hatred of the USA and quit trying to make every shred of nationalism and patriotism into white supremacy.....it's not.

No, not all Americans are part of King's intended audience. You can hear the dog-whistles, Bot, stop pretending you can't.

And besides, King is just flat wrong; our civilization is not in need of rebuilding (where did that come from?!), and if it were, of course we could do it with other people's babies.

 

[zipman]

Here's a great article on the ACA and repeal efforts.

http://www.motherjones.com/contributor/2017/03/trump-ryan-took-voters-for-a-ride

 

[phrodeau]

No, not all Americans are part of King's intended audience. You can hear the dog-whistles, Bot, stop pretending you can't.

And besides, King is just flat wrong; our civilization is not in need of rebuilding (where did that come from?!), and if it were, of course we could do it with other people's babies.

In my experience, most immigrant families are happy to participate in their communities. It's the hundred-year occupiers who prefer to sit on the sidelines.

 

[Emerson40]

From Trump: Art Of The Deal, Chapter 2, Deliver The Goods.

“You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on … I’d never understood how Jimmy Carter became president. The answer is that as poorly qualified as he was for the job, Jimmy Carter had the nerve, the guts, the balls, to ask for something extraordinary. That ability above all helped him get elected president. But, then, of course, the American people caught on pretty quickly that Carter couldn’t do the job, and he lost in a landslide when he ran for reelection.”​

 

[Carnal_Flower]

No it isn't.

It's proof we have a representative democracy. An autocrat in training got checked by Congress. That's how it's supposed to work.

It's proof the (R)'s are just as corrupt as the (D)'s.

No, the (D)s didn't want to pass single payer with ZERO (R) support.

And it's not a steaming pile of shit. It's saved a lot of lives.

I notice Sanders and a few others came out today calling for single payer, i.e. could they have done that without 7 years of ACA? Incremental steps. That's how adults IN government have to operate. Only in your little fantasy world can you instantly get what you want.

The corporate whore (R)'s got into it with the principled (R)'s, just like when ACA was going down the principled (D)'s got into it with the Clinton (D)'s and we got a steaming pile of shit from the compromise.

Sheldon Whitehouse is critiquing corporate government better than this. All you have are repetitive whines and demands.

Guv'mint BAD, Mommy, BAD. Grow up

Only because greedy fuckers in the government lining their pockets instead of doing what is not only is a logical/rationally beneficial thing for the people of this country but also being asked for by those people

.

Case in point.

Because a good portion of the DNC, just like the GOP, is a bunch of greedy fucking slime balls....that's the only reason why.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The consensus I speak of consists of the following:

• The ACA passed the House by majority vote
• The ACA passed the Senate by majority vote
• The President signed the ACA into law
• The Supreme Court upheld the constutionality of the ACA not once but twice
• An attempt to repeal the ACA failed to leave the Republican-led House of Representatives

That's a pretty solid indicator of "consensus", in my opinion.

And then you all lost your fuckin' ass's over it.

Not really much of a consensus.

IF (D) hand't gotten wrecked so hard I might agree with you.....but your bullshit is clearly not floating as many boats as you like to think, otherwise the WH would have another Clinton, Obama 2.0, in it and the map wouldn't be red with a few blue counties.

Tell me, do you have a right to privacy?

Me personally? LOL fuck no, I don't have any rights.

That's for privileged citizens only and women getting abortions.

No, not all Americans are part of King's intended audience.

Really which ones did he exclude?

No, the (D)s didn't want to pass single payer with ZERO (R) support.

They don't want single payer at all....they want to fuck the working class for every penny they can.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ahhhh, I do love the smell of fresh AJ bullshit in the morning! This was your plan all along, right? You and daddy?

Is that what you meant when you were gloating about it a few weeks ago?



Even funnier, years ago, before it even existed!



But this was allllll part of the plan, right? Daddy says promises to repeal the yucky bill within 100 days, fails spectacularly, but that was the move all along, right? The whole point is to wait! No, seven years isn't long enough, goddamnit! We need EIGHT! OBVIOUSLY!

You've been playing the long game, haven't you? This is why you "voted for Obama" in 2008 to teach us dumb liberals a lesson. You've had this all planned out for years! You're a genius!!!!!!

I have stayed away from you and your ugliness, but you just cannot help but follow me around as yet another left-wing whack-job truth detector.

Fucking pathetic. Still haven't figured out what cost y'all the election?

Donald Trump is on you, not me...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

As Chey would say ... spreadsheets people!

Are you even half-Indian, AJ? Pookahontas wants to know. *nods*

How far back did you have to reach back for that?

When I was self-employed, I did not pay for insurance. Once I went to work for a trucking company, I took their insurance. I was perfectly healthy. Then I got pneumonia, and retired and went on my wife's health insurance. No big deal even though I now had a pre-existing condition, all I had to do was provide proof that I had been insured. It's that simple...

It sure seems to be quite the day to be a cunt.

 

[FakeNews]

Don't blame Trump for the failure to repeal Obamacare

The chief problem with US healthcare is cost. Prices are insanely high: for decades, the poor have gone without. Obamacare tried to address that by saying that everyone has to have medical insurance and the government will pick up the tab for those who can't afford it. The Republicans said that Obamacare meddled with coverage that the middle-class was quite happy with and drove prices up, so they pledged to repeal it.

However, once the state has instituted a massive new welfare programme it becomes very hard to undo: it means taking government money away from people who have come to rely on the support. And this moral question is at the heart of Republican divisions. Moderates say repeal Obamacare a little but keep the subsidies for the poor and old. Conservatives say that piecemeal repeal leaves the most expensive aspects of Obamacare in place - that only by getting government almost completely out of healthcare can America build a competitive private market that cuts prices. Nobody wants to hurt the poor in this debate, everyone has good intentions. But the differences between the principles and constituencies of various lawmakers are almost irreconcilable.

On the other hand, this is a defeat that fair-minded people cannot pin exclusively on The Donald. Anything he could've offered the conservatives would've alienated the moderates, and vice versa. And these divisions over Obamacare long predated Trump. The conservative Freedom Caucus, which was primarily to blame for the legislative failure, was a product of the Tea Party revolution and represents a militant, anti-big government attitude that any Republican president would’ve had trouble winning over.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...p-failure-repeal-obamacare-republican-crisis/

 

[Adre]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...p-failure-repeal-obamacare-republican-crisis/

However feel free to blame him for lying and bragging about how he would definitely repeal it, and for getting so many chumps to believe his ridiculous boasts. What happened to great coverage for everyone with his beautiful new fantastic health plan?

 

[FakeNews]

Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

It was a catchy political pitch and a chance to calm nerves about his dramatic and complicated plan to bring historic change to America’s health insurance system.

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama said -- many times -- of his landmark new law.

For all of these reasons, PolitiFact has named "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," the Lie of the Year for 2013. Readers in a separate online poll overwhelmingly agreed with the choice. (PolitiFact first announced its selection on CNN's The Lead with Jake Tapper.)

Obama’s ideas on health care were first offered as general outlines then grew into specific legislation over the course of his presidency. Yet Obama never adjusted his rhetoric to give people a more accurate sense of the law’s real-world repercussions, even as fact-checkers flagged his statements as exaggerated at best.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ar-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

 

[Adre]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ar-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

All in the past. We're dealing with a bigger and better liar now.

 

[Phelia]

I have stayed away from you and your ugliness, but you just cannot help but follow me around as yet another left-wing whack-job truth detector.

Fucking pathetic. Still haven't figured out what cost y'all the election?

Donald Trump is on you, not me...

How far back did you have to reach back for that?

When I was self-employed, I did not pay for insurance. Once I went to work for a trucking company, I took their insurance. I was perfectly healthy. Then I got pneumonia, and retired and went on my wife's health insurance. No big deal even though I now had a pre-existing condition, all I had to do was provide proof that I had been insured. It's that simple...

It sure seems to be quite the day to be a cunt.

Now, now. Don't get salty, AJ. We were all merrily posting away and minding our own business, and you just had to waltz in and start lying again. It's almost like you can't help yourself! Sad.

You didn't like my last riddle (I think you got a little too scared and just started calling me a nasty bitch/cunt instead of answering), but I have another one for you:

Why do you think it was easy to get on a new plan with a pre-existing condition in 2014?

Hmmm....

It's almost like someone passed a law....

 

[doowdniw]

I'm amused by a Fox pundit now claiming Ryan sold Trump a "bill of goods". The scammer got scammed. Easy to do when he doesn't bother to actually read. Now that Ivanka has a room at the White House, she can read bills to him as she tucks him in at night and hands him his binky.