The Exhaustion of American Liberalism

[KingOrfeo]

The whole world isn't crapping its pants, just our enemies . . .

And our allies.

 

[contrifan32]

Yes, according to common sense. Government is complicated. Anything complicated should be left to career specialists.

Yes, because common sense career politicians like Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Debbie Wasserman Schuitz are the type of "specialists" that we need more of in Washington.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yes, because common sense career politicians like Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Debbie Wasserman Schuitz are the type of "specialists" that we need more of in Washington.

Sanders progressives would be better, but those ain't bad.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sanders progressives would be better, but those ain't bad.

Wow.....those are the scum bags that have been and are most likely still trying to subvert the Sanders progressives LMAO!!

They are the BIGGEST enemy of the Sanders progressives as of right now.

They are the reason ACA wasn't actual HC reform for the people but HC reform for ubercorp greed.

They are the corporate (D)'s that cock block actual 'progress' and sell out the working class at every turn.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Schumer plans to resist Gorsuch, whicj means Gorsuch goes in by the nuclear option. As will Grinchburgers replacement too. Its over for liberals for a generation or two. It aint what they like, but its what they want.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Face it, if Trump were still a Democrat, none of these people would be going with crazy.

They've suffered Honest Joe, Commie Bernie, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, that guy who thought the Marines could tip Guam over, I mean the list goes on and on and on...

They even had a President who could see dead heroes, celebrated corpsemen, admitted he could not speak Austrian, said there were 57 states, that Hawaii was part of Asia, did not know where the Maldives were, promised us that we could keep our doctors and that our premiums would go down, promised us shovel-ready jobs that he later had a good laugh over stating that they weren't all that shovel ready after all...,

I mean come on. They are still in the early stages of grief and under the complete sway of fake news...

 

[Liar]

Only two. Kennedy had three. But before you reply you should probably read this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/jared-kushner-trump-family.html

"Not quite as nepotistic as the Kennedys" isn't exactly a high mark.

 

[Rightguide]

"Not quite as nepotistic as the Kennedys" isn't exactly a high mark.

But it isn't illegal according to the article I linked.

 

[HisArpy]

Yes, according to common sense. Government is complicated. Anything complicated should be left to career specialists.

Ok, let's actually take a look at this.

Career specialists. Is there some sort of college degree for that? Nope. Pol-Sci seems to be the closest and it's markedly absent in the pedigrees of D's in power. Is there any other qualifying perquisite? Not that I can see, except having a D as one's political party choice and a mantra of gimme gimme gimme.

Now, let's look at the other side.

Hmmm, all these business exec's seem to have gone to college and gotten REAL DEGREES. Business admin, finance, yada yada yada.

Then they went out and got REAL JOBS. You know, jobs where they had to get up in the morning, drink a cuppa joe and rush to the bus to get to work. Where they worked. For years. As they climbed the corporate ladder to the top. And got real time, real world experience in how to run and manage huge (excuse me, I meant YUGE!) international corporations that make a profit, please investors, employ millions of people, and not go bankrupt in the process.

These are the choices we have. One side of whiners who haven't done ANYTHING in their lives except slurp it up at the public trough. Or doers who have actually done things.

It doesn't take much to see which is the better choice.

In closing I wanted to mention that I think the whole "no political experience" thing is so much bullshit. George Washington had NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE prior to being elected President. I would think that his plate of issues was much broader and more difficult than anything our current elected leadership has to face today. Yet the guy with no experience somehow got it done without resorting to fakery and smear and fearmongering. Unlike the D's of today who seem to revel in it.

The whole socialism thing being touted as "better" is pathetic.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Ok, let's actually take a look at this.

Career specialists. Is there some sort of college degree for that? Nope. Pol-Sci seems to be the closest and it's markedly absent in the pedigrees of D's in power. Is there any other qualifying perquisite? Not that I can see, except having a D as one's political party choice and a mantra of gimme gimme gimme.

It's not a degreed profession -- although I'm sure practically all civil servants and pols in Washington have degrees -- it's a field where you learn on the job. The longer you do it, the more you know about it.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

https://www.amren.com/news/2017/03/exhaustion-american-liberalism/

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/170109_a20630-1200.jpg

“These smug pilots have lost touch with regular passengers like us. Who thinks I should fly the plane?”

 

[HisArpy]

It's not a degreed profession -- although I'm sure practically all civil servants and pols in Washington have degrees -- it's a field where you learn on the job. The longer you do it, the more you know about it.

Yet the people who get degrees in a specific profession and spend YEARS doing just that aren't as qualified as the hack learning on the job?

You have no fucking clue that what you're saying is pure nonsense. I think you just say stupid shit so that someone, somewhere, will think you're smart. You aren't. Not even close.

There are people on this forum who actually CAN do internet research, think about what they're reading, then give us logical and well thought out positions on the subject. When they post I tend to want to read their stuff. Your shit, I just flush.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yet the people who get degrees in a specific profession and spend YEARS doing just that aren't as qualified as the hack learning on the job?

Of course they are -- in their professions. Not necessarily in government.

Businessman is not a degreed profession either; more importantly, business skills are not well transferable to government work.

 

[Pairaclities]

You've managed to project a proper representation of where your brain resides with that inflamed AV, so since you have nothing to offer but a vertical smile and some gut wind, you can join my ignore list.

Baa-Zinnnng!

 

[HisArpy]

Of course they are -- in their professions.

Businessman is not a degreed profession either.

I have yet to see a help-wanted ad for "businessman wanted". If however, in you're vagueness, you are talking about mom & pop businesses, ASK ANY OF THEM if they think they are qualified to successfully run Exxon-Mobil's global operation starting on day 1.

Yet, assholes like you think you're MORE qualified without ANY of the knowledge, experience, or education. And, that somehow your LACK of qualifications make you more capable of creating, implementing, and maintaining a global and domestic policy that is millions of times larger and vastly more complicated.

It's no fucking wonder we're in trouble.

 

[Rightguide]

It's not a degreed profession -- although I'm sure practically all civil servants and pols in Washington have degrees -- it's a field where you learn on the job. The longer you do it, the more you know about it.

It's those "learned" people who have brought us to the brink of disaster as well. The American people do not want to compete with a government class who's own self-interests are antithetical to their liberty.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's those "learned" people who have brought us to the brink of disaster as well.

We have not been at the brink of disaster since 2009.

The American people do not want to compete with a government class who's own self-interests are antithetical to their liberty.

The people do not compete with the civil servants, whose interests, insofar as they have any, are pretty much limited to holding on to their jobs, and are in no way antithetical to their liberty. Same with pols.

 

[Rightguide]

We have not been at the brink of disaster since 2009.



The people do not compete with the civil servants, whose interests, insofar as they have any, are pretty much limited to holding on to their jobs, and are in no way antithetical to their liberty. Same with pols.

But they do. Tell that to property owners who have lost their private property rights under the EPA, or conservatives who have lost their first amendment rights under the IRS, or all Americans who have last their freedom of choice under Obamacare.

 

[HisArpy]

We have not been at the brink of disaster since 2009.

We are still on the brink. Terrorism is everywhere, thanks to liberal socialism policies which allowed terrorists to spread all over the map without limitation. Economic collapse is still a potential crisis in many countries like Greece. Venezuela IS collapsing.

The Ukraine is at risk from Russian invasion. Again, thanks to liberal socialism policies that allowed Russia to invade Crimea unchecked.

NK is lobbing missiles and working on a long range nuclear missile program. Iran is doing the same while ramping up its weapons of mass destruction capability. Syria is a disaster that no one can predict the outcome of.

Yet, you sit in Florida in the good old USA and proclaim we are not on the brink of disaster. How lame.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But they do. Tell that to property owners who have lost their private property rights under the EPA . . .

Oh, the tyranny!

. . . or conservatives who have lost their first amendment rights under the IRS . . .

Bullshit.

. . . or all Americans who have last their freedom of choice under Obamacare.

 

[KingOrfeo]

We are still on the brink. Terrorism is everywhere, thanks to liberal socialism policies which allowed terrorists to spread all over the map without limitation.

Terrorism doesn't matter. It sucks if you happen to get in the way of it, but it is no existential threat to any society outside the MENA.

Economic collapse is still a potential crisis in many countries like Greece. Venezuela IS collapsing.

That's all worth worrying about, but it is the fault of no POTUS.

The Ukraine is at risk from Russian invasion. Again, thanks to liberal socialism policies that allowed Russia to invade Crimea unchecked.

That had nothing to do with "liberal socialism policies," it just wasn't worth starting a war over. Obama did impose sanctions (which Trump has lifted).

NK is lobbing missiles and working on a long range nuclear missile program.

It will be a long time before they have one that can hit the U.S.

Iran is doing the same while ramping up its weapons of mass destruction capability.

Bullshit.

Syria is a disaster that no one can predict the outcome of.

But that war is no threat outside Syria.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Fascinating...


Maxine Waters is to government what Carly Fiorina is to business...

 

[HisArpy]

Terrorism doesn't matter. It sucks if you happen to get in the way of it, but it is no existential threat to any society outside the MENA.

To quote you, bullshit. The goal of Fundamental Islamic Extremism is to conquer the world and impose their religious beliefs on EVERYONE. Including you.

That's all worth worrying about, but it is the fault of no POTUS.

Really? Ofuckers "line in the sand" wasn't part of it? I believe he WAS POTUS at the time and his lily livered political weakness allowed Putin to do whatever he wanted.

That had nothing to do with "liberal socialism policies," it just wasn't worth starting a war over. Obama did impose sanctions (which Trump has lifted).

The Ofuckers' sanctions weren't anything Russia worried about. The Ukraine was invaded and the Crimean peninsula was seized by Russia. Russia now has agents in all of the bordering nations and is still looking to recreate the USSR by force. And that wasn't worth starting a war over?

It will be a long time before they have one that can hit the U.S.

Oh, I see. We don't have to worry about the future at all.

Bullshit.

So eloquently said. Meaningless and without any knowledgeable support, but eloquent. In a sad misguided sort of way.

But that war is no threat outside Syria.

Really? Iraq doesn't worry? Iran doesn't worry? Turkey doesn't worry? Israel doesn't? You total lack of comprehension is amazing.

 

[KingOrfeo]

To quote you, bullshit. The goal of Fundamental Islamic Extremism is to conquer the world and impose their religious beliefs on EVERYONE. Including you.

So what? They're too weak to do it. Anyone who resorts to terrorism is too weak to win on the battlefield or at the ballot box.

Really? Ofuckers "line in the sand" wasn't part of it? I believe he WAS POTUS at the time and his lily livered political weakness allowed Putin to do whatever he wanted.

You're mixed up -- I was replying to your concern about the Euro and Venezuelan economies; their condition is the fault of no POTUS.

The Ofuckers' sanctions weren't anything Russia worried about. The Ukraine was invaded and the Crimean peninsula was seized by Russia. Russia now has agents in all of the bordering nations and is still looking to recreate the USSR by force. And that wasn't worth starting a war over?

What, between nuclear powers?! Of course not.

Oh, I see. We don't have to worry about the future at all.

We don't have to worry about NK, at any rate.

So eloquently said. Meaningless and without any knowledgeable support, but eloquent. In a sad misguided sort of way.

That's all your canard deserved. I know you have no proof that Iran is building WMDs.

Really? Iraq doesn't worry? Iran doesn't worry? Turkey doesn't worry? Israel doesn't? You total lack of comprehension is amazing.

They worry about refugees and terrorism, end of list; the Syrian Civil War is not going to destabilize their own governments.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Based on posting styles, it seems that KO probably smokes as much pot as BotanyBoi...