New York to scrap literacy test for teachers. Guess why.

[Ishmael]

It's obvious that Spidey either hasn't discovered Google, or doesn't know how to use it.

Ishmael

 

[Rightguide]

It's obvious that Spidey either hasn't discovered Google, or doesn't know how to use it.

Ishmael

Apparently, his frontal lobe is armored up.

 

[SyKoKo]

It's bizarre that he posts all these threads but consistently never posts the link to the story that he rants about.

It's like calling 911 to report crimes and then hanging up before giving the location.

how complicated is it for yu to look it up?

 

[SyKoKo]

I wonder about his self-congratulatory "cool" emogees immediately following the OP.
Like he's jerking off into a fan.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

how complicated is it for yu to look it up?

I've seen it on three different sites this morning.


:shrug:

 

[hashtag46]

My first thought was: are they paying their teachers so poorly that they fail to attract more skilled candidates? (be they whites or non-whites)

 

[Rightguide]

This is education for the benefit of teacher unions, the price is the future of our children.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

My first thought was: are they paying their teachers so poorly that they fail to attract more skilled candidates? (be they whites or non-whites)

It's not a matter of pay, I would surmise, but one of quotas. The SJW mind demands that there must be minority teachers with a certain percentage in mind. To avoid being sued (like the fire department that did not promote enough minorities because they kept failing the promotion board's exams) then, school districts have to fight each other over a small pool of minority candidates, and while some are qualified, we can see by the empirical proof of testing, most are not. Now, as we can easily see there is a problem with them living up to literacy standards but if we stop and think critically about it, in order to placate the SJWs, we do a harm to the children by not providing them with the most qualified people available in the teaching pool (and on the flip side, we punish qualified teachers merely on a racial basis).

 

[SyKoKo]

My first thought was: are they paying their teachers so poorly that they fail to attract more skilled candidates? (be they whites or non-whites)

your 1st thought is as fucked as your turd thought

 

[BotanyBoy]

American History was replaced with the study of the Civil Rights movement.

I went through 3 history professors at university, dropped the first 2 because it took them like 15 min to get to women's suffrage. which was then the first month of class after which was all civil rights movement and Cesar Chavez.

That's literally the only things the University of Texas in Austin history department is able to talk about.

1776 racism is invented by the USA.

WWII, racist Americans bomb innocent and loving Japan for no good reason!!

And civil rights movement because America is sooooooooo evil.

That's it! Nothing else in US history worth mentioning.

 

[hashtag46]

It's not a matter of pay, I would surmise, but one of quotas. The SJW mind demands that there must be minority teachers with a certain percentage in mind. To avoid being sued (like the fire department that did not promote enough minorities because they kept failing the promotion board's exams) then, school districts have to fight each other over a small pool of minority candidates, and while some are qualified, we can see by the empirical proof of testing, most are not. Now, as we can easily see there is a problem with them living up to literacy standards but if we stop and think critically about it, in order to placate the SJWs, we do a harm to the children by not providing them with the most qualified people available in the teaching pool (and on the flip side, we punish qualified teachers merely on a racial basis).

Well, my friends & family who live in the States tell me that, in order to give your kid a good education, you should:
a)Move into a richer neighborhood because those have better schools. b)send your kid to a private school c)double up math classes with Kumon classes.

And I understand that the problems aren't specific to the States either.
So my first thought was to wonder whether undergraduate education has gon. down on the priority list of most politicians. I guess they need a trained workforce, not well educated citizens.

But I obviously don't know the situation in the States as well as you guys do.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I went through 3 history professors at university, dropped the first 2 because it took them like 15 min to get to women's suffrage. which was then the first month of class after which was all civil rights movement and Cesar Chavez.

That's literally the only things the University of Texas in Austin history department is able to talk about.

1776 racism is invented by the USA.

WWII, racist Americans bomb innocent and loving Japan for no good reason!!

And civil rights movement because America is sooooooooo evil.

That's it! Nothing else in US history worth mentioning.

Another thing was the gradual elimination of the Presidential Birthday observations and then replacing them with Dr. King Day and Black History month.

As you may recall, I've taught martial arts for most of my life, and when I moved here, some of my private students were from the local college. After workouts we would often discuss philosophy, politics and history. I have a couple of copies of Zinn that were specifically presented to me in order to get my mind right.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I gave you the answer that I went to public school and college. What was your experience in school? Mandated goverment test or majority of the tests coming from teachers?

K-12 it was nothing but how to take a multiple choice test.

That's all I was ever taught....the standardized state test which we took practice tests nearly every month until the BIG test every spring.

So I can fill out scan-tron bubble sheets real good.

UT was pretty awesome in the science department but their humanities and liberal arts are fucking insane and infested with the most dramatic victims I've ever met in my life running the show.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, my friends & family who live in the States tell me that, in order to give your kid a good education, you should:
a)Move into a richer neighborhood because those have better schools. b)send your kid to a private school c)double up math classes with Kumon classes.

And I understand that the problems aren't specific to the States either.
So my first thought was to wonder whether undergraduate education has gon. down on the priority list of most politicians. I guess they need a trained workforce, not well educated citizens.

But I obviously don't know the situation in the States as well as you guys do.

Give it some time and Spidey will be along with a very imaginative defense of education, an adamant declaration of racism and a thorough denunciation of anyone who believes otherwise.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I have a couple of copies of Zinn that were specifically presented to me in order to get my mind right.

Well that's because if you're not thinking like them you're obviously misguided!!

Diversity of thought is NOT welcome.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Give it some time and Spidey will be along with a very imaginative defense of education, an adamant declaration of racism and a thorough denunciation of anyone who believes otherwise.

Not just education, but state run education.

Private education is racism and misogyny unless private school excludes white males then it's ok but still totally inferior to state run education.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I really was not that aware of it.


Living out in rural KANSAS pretty much insulates you from the SJW mindset...



It took me moving to a college town to see proof first-hand of what a lot of people were saying about diversity and tolerance. I never really experienced it at UMKC, but I was a math and computer student, so that probably spared me. There's no politics inside the inner workings of computer architecture and no social justice in a math formula/theorem.

You can prove that you can make a map in three colors ,but you cannot prove which one of them is the good color and which is the oppressed color...

 

[hashtag46]

Give it some time and Spidey will be along with a very imaginative defense of education, an adamant declaration of racism and a thorough denunciation of anyone who believes otherwise.

You mean with the "Spidey/islandman/Oreo style of twisted, deflecting, shit for brains nonsense world of ass backwards logic."

Sorry, Spidey, but water505's comment cracked me up and I felt the need to quote it.

 

[Ishmael]

I really was not that aware of it.


Living out in rural KANSAS pretty much insulates you from the SJW mindset...



It took me moving to a college town to see proof first-hand of what a lot of people were saying about diversity and tolerance. I never really experienced it at UMKC, but I was a math and computer student, so that probably spared me. There's no politics inside the inner workings of computer architecture and no social justice in a math formula/theorem.

You can prove that you can make a map in three colors ,but you cannot prove which one of them is the good color and which is the oppressed color...

But there is an entire mind set out there that will damn sure make a try for it.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They will fight for their Soylent Green...


It's green right? ORGANIC!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Umm. Politely asking. Government tests or teacher tests as a majority?

I don't know & you don't know either.

I'm not saying teachers never gave tests or shouldn't give some.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's obvious that Spidey either hasn't discovered Google, or doesn't know how to use it.

Ishmael

And it's obvious that when called out to back up your claims you resort to personal attacks. Provide proof of your claim or rescind it.

 

[james_1957]

I don't know & you don't know either.

I'm not saying teachers never gave tests or shouldn't give some.

What's with the avatar, Spidey?

Did you lose the knife fight?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It's not a matter of pay, I would surmise, but one of quotas. The SJW mind demands that there must be minority teachers with a certain percentage in mind. To avoid being sued (like the fire department that did not promote enough minorities because they kept failing the promotion board's exams) then, school districts have to fight each other over a small pool of minority candidates, and while some are qualified, we can see by the empirical proof of testing, most are not. Now, as we can easily see there is a problem with them living up to literacy standards but if we stop and think critically about it, in order to placate the SJWs, we do a harm to the children by not providing them with the most qualified people available in the teaching pool (and on the flip side, we punish qualified teachers merely on a racial basis).

The bolded portion of your post is laughable at best. You're assuming a test you've never seen and in an area you know nothing about is a valid test.

"Michael Middleton, dean of the Hunter College School of Education in Manhattan, said that of the battery of assessments, "It's the one that looks like it's the least related to the actual work that teachers do day to day."

Charles Sahm, the director of education policy at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank, is a strong supporter of raising the bar for teachers but not a fan of this particular literacy test.

Sahm took the $20 practice exam and thought it was a poorly designed test with multiple-choice questions that seemed to have more than one correct answer.

"I do agree that it's not a great test," Sahm said. "I found the reading comprehension section to be kind of infuriating. I only got 21 out of 40 right."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/test-meant-screen-teachers-weeded-minorities-46065836

 

[Christobal]

I don't know & you don't know either.

I'm not saying teachers never gave tests or shouldn't give some.

I have no idea what you know so that is why I asked. It is completely presumptuous and silly to assume you know what I know. You asked how I knew what I know and I told you I lived through public school and college. I stated most tests came from teachers and not the state. Teachers say that testing them is unfair as does not reflect their abilities. There are many points you choose to ignore. Teachers give tests to students and give them a grade.Yet somehow the idea of testing teachers is unfair.