How You Can Support Women Today

[BotanyBoy]

Once again, see post #188. If you adjust your calculations to account for the different numbers of women and men beginning a career track that might lead to CEO, I think you'll find men still have a better chance than women of getting there.

None of that makes end results any measure for opportunity as the two are not related.

Opportunity =/= results.

92% of RN's are female, less than 1% of RN's in leading positions are male, that doesn't mean males don't have an equal opportunity to be or achieve success in a nursing career. Guys, in general, just don't go to nursing school and apply themselves.

99% of women quit special forces training within hours....that doesn't mean women don't have an equal opportunity to try and graduate. Most women just don't have the desire needed to do that crazy shit.

 

[KingOrfeo]

None of that makes end results any measure for opportunity as the two are not related.

Obviously they are; a man and a woman who join X Corp. as junior execs have the same opportunity to join X Corp. as junior execs, but they do not have the same opportunity to climb the ladder to the top.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Obviously they are; a man and a woman who join X Corp. as junior execs have the same opportunity to join X Corp. as junior execs, but they do not have the same opportunity to climb the ladder to the top.

The multitudes of women who have and are currently doing exactly that prove that the same opportunity is there. Their ability to be their own CEO is certainly equal as a number of highly successful women have shown.

Just because more don't....doesn't meant they don't have the opportunity to.

Unless you're saying only 8% of RN's are male because men are oppressed and excluded from this valuable economic opportunity???

 

[Phelia]

You are completely, utterly wrong. The availability of opportunity is the whole fucking point and exactly what I provided evidence about. What the fuck do you think opportunity is? It's your relative chance of getting hired, and then your relative chance of getting promoted. Jesus christ.

I know you have a different fucking POV. That's exactly what I spent my time attempting to address. I gave you:

a) A very personal testimony of my first-hand experience as a fucking woman in a discussion about how fucking women are treated. Of course, first-hand testimony is admissible evidence in court, but I only included it for human context. I don't give a fuck what people think about who I am or how I got here. So let's take it off the table.

b) Evidence from goddamn Standford that a female name on a resume is a disadvantage when it comes to evaluating STEM candidate resumes (here's a dumbed-down article for morons and the full study for People Who Can Read Real Good).

c) A computer simulation from Google (video queued up to the time, and you should watch the whole fucking thing if you give a shit about equality, as you claim) that proves even the tiniest disadvantage (1% variance) can have a significant cumulative effect on the ability of women to be promoted.

It is absolutely undeniable that women have a disadvantage compared to men, and even if literally everyone you know is an exception to this (and I'm sure they aren't), then you are a statistical outlier. Like nursing, as a female-dominated profession (WHERE MEN ARE LITERALLY STILL EARNING MORE THAN WOMEN).

Add race, religion, age, disability into the mix and the impact of unconscious bias is compounded. It's also undeniable that women have it far worse elsewhere, and that American society benefits women over men in different ways that also need to be talked about. THAT CHANGES NONE OF THE ABOVE.

I saw your edits. They weren't perfect, but I thought you were at least gonna try. I tell you my story, I show you evidence, and you say: "Doesn't matter. I have a different life experience." What the fuck is that. How exactly would you respond to that, if you were in my position?

Anyway. I've had enough of talking to people who have no interest listening this week, so fuck you too, man. Kindly take your delusions elsewhere.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You don't do it like this! Fuck sakes! Have a bit of respect!

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...rsonalization_enabled:false&OCID=ansmsnnews11

Man pictured 'humping' Fearless Girl statue unveiled on Wall Street for International Women's Day

 

[BotanyBoy]

fuck you too, man.

Yea that's what I figured from the get go.

I picked it up under your smug "You're just misguided, let me fix that for you." bit.

 

[Phelia]

In certain areas sure. So do men.

But I'm not talking about the advantages, disadvantages and challenges of being one gender or the other.

I'm talking about opportunity.



Then tell me men don't have equal opportunity to be an RN.

Bro. Read the fucking post and put it together for yourself and get the fuck out. I laid it all out. You have more posts than every other person in this thread except KingO (who can shut the fuck up, too), myself included (and I FUCKING STARTED IT) going on and on about how entitled cunt bitches demand handouts while we actively chose NOT to become CEOs because we're too interested in sitting around complaining about our periods.

And now you're fucking losing and can't deny it or admit it, so you COMPLETELY move the goalposts and expect me to explain shit to you over and over and over.

FUCK you. Start your own goddamn thread if you're so fucking concerned about the employment opportunities for male nurses.

 

[raindancer]

Mansplaining.

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[BotanyBoy]

get the fuck out.

FUCK you.

See I knew this was all there was to you in the first place.

going on and on about how entitled cunt bitches demand handouts while we actively chose NOT to become CEOs because we're too interested in sitting around complaining about our periods.

And you call me delusional? LOL holy fuck take your meds I never said anything of the sort.

Start your own goddamn thread if you're so fucking concerned about the employment opportunities for male nurses.

I'm not, Nursing is an equal opportunity career here in the US. I had zero problems in school, getting into it, kicking everyone's ass at it and I can pretty much go make bank wherever I want if I wanted to go back to that hellish job.

 

[Phelia]

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Hate us cuz they ain't us

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How's your caulk? I'm mounting curtain rods today! Drill baby drill.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Hate us cuz they ain't us

https://68.media.tumblr.com/0b40ad0af1e3ede84d8d10357c330696/tumblr_nsvn3fUJGe1sfii5ho1_400.gif

How's your caulk? I'm mounting curtain rods today! Drill baby drill.

At least we're all now being honest about what this thread is REALLY about.

 

[raindancer]

My post is merely a reflection of my feelings concerning a man attempting to tell me what my experience, as a woman, is within society. You don't see me spouting my opinion as to how living with a penis affects your life.

The thread, in my opinion, has nothing to do with my aggravation.

Phelia, I finished my caulking! I have an air compressor so I can paint, soon.

 

[BotanyBoy]

My post is merely a reflection of my feelings concerning a man attempting to tell me what my experience, as a woman, is within society. You don't see me spouting my opinion as to how living with a penis affects your life.

The thread, in my opinion, has nothing to do with my aggravation.

You talking to me? Don't want to quote the icky thing so your friends don't have to see me or just randomly posting maybe?

 

[raindancer]

Friends? Ha. I'm a lone wolf. I'm speaking to anyone who cares to listen. I am aggravated by some of the posts. I don't think anything I type in this little box will change any opinions. But sometimes, I'm inclined to share mine.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Friends? Ha. I'm a lone wolf. I'm speaking to anyone who cares to listen. I am aggravated by some of the posts. I don't think anything I type in this little box will change any opinions. But sometimes, I'm inclined to share mine.

OK