What did we learn today?

[BoyNextDoor]

In view of this latest dump, how do you know who the "Russians" are?

I am merely stating that "the Russians did it" is in fact the expressed conclusion of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which would seeme to me to contradict the OP.

How the CIA turns on your TV is not in any way relevant, IMO.

 

[Rightguide]

What did what you just asked me for no reason have to do with the price of tea in China? Whoops, sorry. GI-NA.
And how did you come up with your definition of "victim"? The only victims are the fucktards who voted for #45.

I knew when I asked you'd deflect in order to continue the narrative that Trump is somehow a bigger problem than the 5000 man army of CIA personnel dedicated to controlling by extortion and intimidation through electronic means every citizen and government official in the United States, which BTW is outside their charter.

 

[Rightguide]

I am merely stating that "the Russians did it" is in fact the expressed conclusion of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which would seeme to me to contradict the OP.

How the CIA turns on your TV is not in any way relevant, IMO.

The focus shouldn't be on just TVs, but on every aspect of the electronic technology in use in society potentially being monitored and manipulated by agents of the government with varying and questionable allegiances.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The focus shouldn't be on just TVs, but on every aspect of the electronic technology in use in society potentially being monitored and manipulated by agents of the government with varying and questionable allegiances.

Repealing the Patriot Act would be a wonderful thing. Ending the practice of spying on American would be a wonderful thing. Breaking the cycle of hiding behind "classified information" to take away American's privacy rights would be a wonderful thing. Snowden is a Patriot without whom none of this look back on the failure the Patriot Act would be happening.

But none of that makes the OP assertion #2 any more true, IMO.

 

[Disgustipated]

I knew when I asked you'd deflect in order to continue the narrative that Trump is somehow a bigger problem than the 5000 man army of CIA personnel dedicated to controlling by extortion and intimidation through electronic means every citizen and government official in the United States, which BTW is outside their charter.

No, you rambled incoherently and got called on it.

 

[oggbashan]

My mobile phone is basic and usually off.

My television is unsmart and not web-connected. So are my refrigerator, cooker, microwave, freezer, boiler, gas and electricity meters and my computer doesn't have a camera or microphone - unless I plug the accessory in manually.

I'm invisible unless my computer is switched on and I'm online.

Edited for PS: The family's three cars are also basic. Only one has a diagnostic computer and that can't be hacked except by plugging in a specific data cable under the locked bonnet (US - hood).

 

[Conager]

My mobile phone is basic and usually off.

My television is unsmart and not web-connected. So are my refrigerator, cooker, microwave, freezer, boiler, gas and electricity meters and my computer doesn't have a camera or microphone - unless I plug the accessory in manually.

I'm invisible unless my computer is switched on and I'm online.

. . .or go outside. Doesn't the UK have more surveilance cameras per km2 than any other place on the planet, or is that exclusively concentrated in large population centers?

 

[oggbashan]

. . .or go outside. Doesn't the UK have more surveilance cameras per km2 than any other place on the planet, or is that exclusively concentrated in large population centers?

Yes. I'm on CCTV everywhere I go. In a fifty yard radius my neighbours have about eight cameras. My local council monitors our streets with a link to the Police if necessary. Walking in my local shopping area I'll pass dozens of CCTV cameras and several in almost every shop.

My appearance is distinctive and I'm locally famous/notorious/infamous - take your pick - so I'm recognised, as are my vehicles.

It does mean that if I am out and about it always takes me longer than I intend because so many people talk to me.

 

[Conager]

Yes. I'm on CCTV everywhere I go. In a fifty yard radius my neighbours have about eight cameras. My local council monitors our streets with a link to the Police if necessary. Walking in my local shopping area I'll pass dozens of CCTV cameras and several in almost every shop.

My appearance is distinctive and I'm locally famous/notorious/infamous - take your pick - so I'm recognised, as are my vehicles.

It does mean that if I am out and about it always takes me longer than I intend because so many people talk to me.

It's the tights and the (Elizabethian?) collar mostly, isn't it?

 

[oggbashan]

It's the tights and the (Elizabethian?) collar mostly, isn't it?

That and the Cake on Head.

 

[juttjaw]

Without Obama, they're lost. So ... make it about Obama!

Amen sister!!

 

[Pookie]

Amen sister!!

Obama says to call cousin Pookie!

 

[Rightguide]

No, you rambled incoherently and got called on it.

You read without comprehension and call like a sissy, so have a nice day with your bullshit.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The focus shouldn't be on just TVs, but on every aspect of the electronic technology in use in society potentially being monitored and manipulated by agents of the government with varying and questionable allegiances.

The only government agents with questionable allegiances work in the West Wing.

 

[EternalFantasies]

So I see some mistakes on your post. Maybe you did not see some of this ....

on #2: From the report "Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions
in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution

Key Judgments: We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.

Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”

To me that says "The Russians did it". Maybe its just me.

Believe it or not, it's just you.

Stop fucking up the narrative!!!

He has an obsession mixed with a lot of information and a lot of ego. He is willing to do anything, everything, to prove his lifelong theories in his head to be correct, instead of properly and objectively evaluating alternatives.

In meantime, he posts annoying long signatures, hogs every thread and every post, and loads the GB with random threads.

I am seriously considering making him my first on my ignore list.

 

[Rightguide]

That's the NSA; the CIA spies on foreigners.

Yes that's their charter, but their practice is much different. This is from the ACLU


Although EO 12333, AR 2-2, and Annex B prohibit the agency from engaging in electronic surveillance within the United States, the CIA can nevertheless ask the FBI to do its bidding:

HIGHLIGHTED PORTION: Request that the FBI or any other authorized intelligence agency undertake electronic surveillance in the United States

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_area_full_width/public/wysiwyg/ciansdblog-2.png?itok=iCrP4DIy


https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/new-docs-raise-questions-about-cia-spying-here-home

 

[Pookie]

He has an obsession mixed with a lot of information and a lot of ego. He is willing to do anything, everything, to prove his lifelong theories in his head to be correct, instead of properly and objectively evaluating alternatives.

In meantime, he posts annoying long signatures, hogs every thread and every post, and loads the GB with random threads.

I am seriously considering making him my first on my ignore list.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/98067/low-fly-by-o.gif

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yes that's their charter, but their practice is much different. This is from the ACLU


Although EO 12333, AR 2-2, and Annex B prohibit the agency from engaging in electronic surveillance within the United States, the CIA can nevertheless ask the FBI to do its bidding:

HIGHLIGHTED PORTION: Request that the FBI or any other authorized intelligence agency undertake electronic surveillance in the United States

Well, there you are: The CIA has to ask the FBI because they're not set up to do it themselves.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Believe it or not, it's just you.

Great. So what conclusion do you come to from reading that report?

 

[juttjaw]

Obama says to call cousin Pookie!

I tried, the phones been disconnected.

Thanks Trump!!

 

[Rightguide]

Well, there you are: The CIA has to ask the FBI because they're not set up to do it themselves.

Under the auspices of the FBI. Read note #1 below the highlighted portion. see the words "assistance," this does not preclude the use of CIA technology or capability. This from the link previously provided:

"Annex B and the CIA-FBI memorandum of understanding comport with past reporting that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorized the FBI to work with the CIA to collect Americans' financial records in bulk under Patriot Act Section 215.

In addition, Annex B explains that the CIA may "use a monitoring device within the United States under circumstances in which a warrant would not be required for law enforcement purposes if the CIA General Counsel concurs."

 

[zipman]

How does Ish know it wasn't just some guy in his mother's basement who hacked Trump?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So many logical fallacies and leaps to conclusions in Ish's list. The Breakfast Club is really slipping lately.

Explain to us your lessons in logic that you were compelled to undertake to obtain your degree.

I suspect that you have no idea what a logical fallacy is.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Great. So what conclusion do you come to from reading that report?

I have enough sense in me to realize the overall picture of this context and just ignore this matter instead of endlessly whining about it:

1. The US has meddled in elections worldwide, for decades, and repeatedly; and often, through tricks and lies not by mere divulging hidden truths. So i'm not a hypocrite.

2. The affected parties have not contested the divulged info; meaning info is correct. So i have integrity.

3. In today's world and especially a digitized, electronic and networked one, information has many way of being leaked. So pinning it where it can hurt my adversary the most is mere snaking around only from being childish and butthurt. So I'm mature.

4. This new wiki leaks report only reinforces that notion where internal forces can leak it and make it look like someone else etc. So I was all along realistic.

5. Would I have rathered i not know those hidden info (Bernie's burns, Clinton's dishonesty, etc.) and voted based on that?

Well I'll leave that as a personal choice, and up to you.


How are you faring my Atheist friend?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That's the NSA; the CIA spies on foreigners.

And, as I pointed out, it was the NSA who provided the Trump wiretap information to the Obama Administration.

To assume that they do not have the same tools would be foolish.

Pookie would call it a logical fallacy.

She would be wrong.