Regarding gun control

KingOrfeo

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I'm not really a confiscate-all-guns kinda person. Gun-crime and gun-violence and gun-suicide and accidental shootings are serious problems, but in no way an existential threat to American society. We can well afford to tolerate a large number of firearms in private hands, and we can well afford to lose a large number of people shot dead every year; society will keep ticking along regardless. I have no brief for any particular gun-control regime. It is a highly complex issue, to which expert studies are relevant, but elements of local political culture are also relevant. What works in New York might not work in Colorado. Any system of gun control should be carefully worked out by legislatures in a process involving studies and hearings and testimony, by legislators who know they are answerable to voters who might place a very high value on their personal firearms.

But that should be a political process, not a legal one. The right to bear arms is not important enough to be set above and beyond the reach of ordinary electoral and legislative politics by constitutional protection. The Second Amendment was always a bad idea and should be repealed.
 
But that should be a political process, not a legal one. The right to bear arms is not important enough to be set above and beyond the reach of ordinary electoral and legislative politics by constitutional protection.

The overwhelming majority of M'uricans disagree. :)

The Second Amendment was always a bad idea and should be repealed.

Nothing bad about it, they knew there was people like you out there looking to destroy the rights of the individual to empower the state that's why it was added.

Maybe one day it will.

But I doubt it and I very much doubt it will happen at a time when any one living today will see it.
 
Gun control means using both hands right? There is no one stop solution for making guns safer. People live in different environments. What might work for one demographic won't work for another. Plus you have the issue of only talking about legal firearms sales and not addressing illegal sales.
 
But that should be a political process, not a legal one. The right to bear arms is not important enough to be set above and beyond the reach of ordinary electoral and legislative politics by constitutional protection. The Second Amendment was always a bad idea and should be repealed.

And until such time as public opinion expressed through our elected representatives is sufficient to affect that political repeal (the arguments surrounding which are well known by all) there really isn't much for you to flap your gums about is there?
 
And until such time as public opinion expressed through our elected representatives is sufficient to affect that political repeal (the arguments surrounding which are well known by all) there really isn't much for you to flap your gums about is there?

Won't happen until the idea of *gasp* repealing the 2nd Amendment becomes a matter for serious public discussion within the Overton Window instead of political suicide to mention. I'm just trying to help it get there.
 
Won't happen until the idea of *gasp* repealing the 2nd Amendment becomes a matter for serious public discussion within the Overton Window instead of political suicide to mention. I'm just trying to help it get there.


Spamming the front page to the point where 95% of the board has you on Ignore is probably not the way to go about it.

Why start two threads on virtually the same topic on consecutive days?

Consider this a friendly intervention.




Re the topic: repealing the Second Amendment is not a worthwhile use of one's time; just my humble opinion. There's so much that could be accomplished legislatively without trying a maneuver that's worked once in 230 years.
 
Go get 'em KO.

I think you have to go after "repeal the Second Amendment" as the target just to move the OW to the point we can discuss common sense legislation that *gasp* may keep a weapon out of the hands of someone unable to wield it for all lawful purposes.
 
If the people making laws can't even decide that arming the mentally ill is bad for our country, they shouldn't be the ones making the laws. That bloodbath will on their hands. They clearly don't have consciences.
 
Go get 'em KO.

I think you have to go after "repeal the Second Amendment" as the target just to move the OW to the point we can discuss common sense legislation that *gasp* may keep a weapon out of the hands of someone unable to wield it for all lawful purposes.

LOL....yea cuz ya'lls "Sensible" regulations have worked out well so far.


How bout them gun free zones??? :D

If the people making laws can't even decide that arming the mentally ill is bad for our country, they shouldn't be the ones making the laws. That bloodbath will on their hands. They clearly don't have consciences.

A bloodbath like the one in Chicago? A Democrat controlled highly anti-gun city/state.....

LOL
 
But that should be a political process, not a legal one. The right to bear arms is not important enough to be set above and beyond the reach of ordinary electoral and legislative politics by constitutional protection.

I note that no one has yet made any argument against this point.
 
That's because it's silly and nothing more than a commie opinion. :)

Nothing whatsoever about Communist ideology weighs for or against a right to bear arms. You could interpret it either way. On the one hand, if we're all free and equal and sharing, we have no need to shoot each other. OTOH, if guns are outlawed, how will we shoot the capitalists?!
 
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I note that no one has yet made any argument against this point.

It's because your earlier statement went beyond stupid then broke the barrier at moronic to end up somewhere south of imbecilic.

Under our precedents, if a Bill of Rights guarantee is fundamental from an American perspective, then, unless stare decisis counsels otherwise,that guarantee is fully binding on the States... McDonald et. al. v. City of Chicago, (2010) 130 S. Ct. 2030.

I have figured out that you have no idea about anything you extol so virtuously. No idea at all. From either perspective of the debate. What I've discovered is that you throw crap faster than a 2 year old in a cow pasture in an effort to continue to stir the pot and make yourself seem important to YOURSELF.

Your analysis is fake and based on a flawed understanding of the excerpts you quote. Your articulated disagreements to counter arguments are limited to one liners with no support and upon examination tend to be revealed as personal opinions contrasting with established FACTS by experts and scholars. In sum, you spew crap to cover up the other crap you spewed just to make yourself look good to yourself.

This makes you a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

We should not feed the troll any longer regardless of what he posts.
 
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It's because your earlier statement went beyond stupid then broke the barrier at moronic to end up somewhere south of imbecilic.

Why are you citing a legal opinion in support of that position? This is a political, not a legal, discussion; case law is irrelevant.
 
Why are you citing a legal opinion in support of that position? This is a political, not a legal, discussion; case law is irrelevant.

My last post before you go on ignore.

BECAUSE, you idiot, legal opinions represent and reflect the political ideals and ideology of the populace.

Done. Goodbye. Troll.
 
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