So lemme see if I get this straight

[EternalFantasy]

When a clerk refuses to sign a gay marriage certificate due to a moral obligation she has, she is vilified.

But sanctuary cities have a moral obligation to refuse to comply with an executive order regarding illegal immigrants who committed crimes? And to the extent of suggesting that if the police grabs a criminal in a criminal act who happens to be an illegal immigrant, not to arrest and finger print them, but give them civil citations, so as the Fed doesn't find out who that illegal immigrant is?

 

[Lancecastor]

The USA has been bipolar about immigration for decades... and you're still trying to figure it out?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The Sanctuary mentality contains within itself the self-assurance that it is the moral high ground.


Therefore any person(s) who disagree with them lack the moral authority to even participate in the discussion.


Liberals/Progressives/"Democratic" Socialists are done discussing because they are right (to the point of religiosity) and everyone else is wrong; there is no middle ground and you do not compromise moral right with bigots, xenophobes, haters and racists.

(Also, subsequent examination showed that the clerk was right on legal grounds. The Sanctuary movement puts their ethics above legality, that which the poor clerk was accused of.)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The USA has been bipolar about immigration for decades... and you're still trying to figure it out?

If you'll take them, I'll happily pay more in taxes to get them there.

Remember, legal immigrants don't need sanctuary in any way, shape or form.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The Federal government has sole responsibility for immigration. It's their problem, not local jurisdictions. As I stated in some other thread (I think), the Feds are telling the locals to do the Fed's job without remuneration.

My local jail holds about 10 people. Why should my local taxes go to fill it up with people who have broken no local/state law? We paid good money for that jail to house drunks and wife beaters.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The Federal government has sole responsibility for immigration. It's their problem, not local jurisdictions. As I stated in some other thread (I think), the Feds are telling the locals to do the Fed's job without remuneration.

My local jail holds about 10 people. Why should my local taxes go to fill it up with people who have broken no local/state law? We paid good money for that jail to house drunks and wife beaters.

Yes, it is very expensive to notify ICE and hold people for a short period of time, so terribly expensive...



Anecdotal evidence is fake evidence and poor argumentation.

 

[Lancecastor]

If you'll take them, I'll happily pay more in taxes to get them there.

Remember, legal immigrants don't need sanctuary in any way, shape or form.

Oh, you'll be paying more in taxes and paying more for everything in short order.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh, you'll be paying more in taxes and paying more for everything in short order.

Yes, but my wages will rise, so I won't notice it all that much and my stock holding will continue their Y-U-U-U-UGE surge.



Look past the Broken Window...

 

[JohnnySavage]

Yes, it is very expensive to notify ICE and hold people for a short period of time, so terribly expensive...



Anecdotal evidence is fake evidence and poor argumentation.

Do Federal facilities take wife beaters?

I don't know why you are missing the concept: It's not the local's job to enforce Federal laws. That's what the 1000s of Federal LEOs are supposed to be doing.

 

[DooleyDarter]

I really thought we settled this who's who in the legal hierarchy back in the civil rights days. When the Democrat George Wallace tried to keep black students out of the University of Alabama the feds sent in the Nat. Guard to supersede him. this has already been decided, the sanctuary city mayors and councils should be charged with federal civil rights crimes and tried.

 

[pete]

The Federal government has sole responsibility for immigration. It's their problem, not local jurisdictions. As I stated in some other thread (I think), the Feds are telling the locals to do the Fed's job without remuneration.

i have a hunch its not about the money

 

[JohnnySavage]

i have a hunch its not about the money

Everything is about the money. If Congress were serious about illegal immigration, they'd pass a law mandating jail time for everyone that hires an illegal.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Everything is about the money. If Congress were serious about illegal immigration, they'd pass a law mandating jail time for everyone that hires an illegal.

*puts handcuffs on white people*

Yer under arrrrrest!

but-but-but-what did I do wronnnnng

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[Lancecastor]

Everything is about the money. If Congress were serious about illegal immigration, they'd pass a law mandating jail time for everyone that hires an illegal.

Rock vs powder.

 

[Pookie]

If there wasn't selective enforcement, there'd be a serious shortage of nannies.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do Federal facilities take wife beaters?

I don't know why you are missing the concept: It's not the local's job to enforce Federal laws. That's what the 1000s of Federal LEOs are supposed to be doing.

I think that you are missing the point.

Sanctuary cities are, in effect, protecting the wife beaters who should be deported. Is that how you get them to stop wife-beating?

I suppose that then you would support that the states refuse to comply with any and all federals laws that cost them any amount of money to enforce. Is that your stance, that cost implies non-compliance?

 

[Ishmael]

The Federal government has sole responsibility for immigration. It's their problem, not local jurisdictions. As I stated in some other thread (I think), the Feds are telling the locals to do the Fed's job without remuneration.

My local jail holds about 10 people. Why should my local taxes go to fill it up with people who have broken no local/state law? We paid good money for that jail to house drunks and wife beaters.

I'm going to give you a 'partial' on that one JS. Having state and local law enforcement out rounding up illegals would fall into the category of an unfunded mandate and as such is beyond the reach of the federal government.

I would also agree that holding illegals that were picked up on minor charges, speeding for example, without compensation is also beyond the reach of the federal government without compensation. But ICE should be notified none-the-less.

But that is not what is occurring in the sanctuary cities. Illegals picked up on fairly major charges are being processed without ICE being notified at all. And that is a problem. They are already in custody for having violated the law, they're being held anyway. What is the excuse for not notifying ICE?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Everything is about the money. If Congress were serious about illegal immigration, they'd pass a law mandating jail time for everyone that hires an illegal.

Ishmael and I have advocated for just that.

That would remove the lure.

 

[Lancecastor]

If there wasn't selective enforcement, there'd be a serious shortage of nannies.

It's a wonderful problem for a skilled politician to solve.

You rely on illegals for your manual labor, child care and food supply.

But you are also a nation of laws.

And compassion.

A wonderful puzzle.

I liked the Bush family's amnesty policy, myself.

Draft dodgers were eventually allowed to come back from Canada, and they were Traitors.

 

[Disgustipated]

Yes, it is very expensive to notify ICE and hold people for a short period of time, so terribly expensive...



Anecdotal evidence is fake evidence and poor argumentation.

Pookie promised you were gonna wake up soon. What a lying twatsicle.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I'm going to give you a 'partial' on that one JS. Having state and local law enforcement out rounding up illegals would fall into the category of an unfunded mandate and as such is beyond the reach of the federal government.

I would also agree that holding illegals that were picked up on minor charges, speeding for example, without compensation is also beyond the reach of the federal government without compensation. But ICE should be notified none-the-less.

But that is not what is occurring in the sanctuary cities. Illegals picked up on fairly major charges are being processed without ICE being notified at all. And that is a problem. They are already in custody for having violated the law, they're being held anyway. What is the excuse for not notifying ICE?

Ishmael

How would Sheriff PoDunk know if someone is here illegally?

If you are arrested by a town cop and tossed in the pokey, how do you prove you are here legally and how long would it take? I have a birth certificate, but I don't carry it with me nor do I resemble the description on it. I have a passport, but I don't carry it with me. I have a driver's license, but I also had one when I was 15 that said I was 18.

You are putting a huge burden on a local police department to verify everyone who passes through their jail is here legally.

 

[sweepthefloor]

When a clerk refuses to sign a gay marriage certificate due to a moral obligation she has, she is vilified.

But sanctuary cities have a moral obligation to refuse to comply with an executive order regarding illegal immigrants who committed crimes? And to the extent of suggesting that if the police grabs a criminal in a criminal act who happens to be an illegal immigrant, not to arrest and finger print them, but give them civil citations, so as the Fed doesn't find out who that illegal immigrant is?

If the clerk can't do the job the clerk should get a job that doesn't scratch the surface of morality.

I am most certain if a criminal, natural born, legal or illegal commits a heinous crime, that criminal will be arrested regardless of sanctuary location. Let's be realistic.

Seriously, my town has enough problems dealing with natural born violent criminals. The local police do not need to be arresting illegal immigrants for traffic violations.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So, do you even have an illegal immigrant problem to anecdotally worry about?


Do you have a Keystone Kop force headed up by Barney Fife?


No fingerprinting? No computers?


Everyone speaks with a thick accent as if English were a second language?

 

[Pookie]

Pookie promised you were gonna wake up soon. What a lying twatsicle.

Well, its not like we have to wait forever. And it was more wishful thinking anyway.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If the clerk can't do the job the clerk should get a job that doesn't scratch the surface of morality.

I am most certain if a criminal, natural born, legal or illegal commits a heinous crime, that criminal will be arrested regardless of sanctuary location. Let's be realistic.

Seriously, my town has enough problems dealing with natural born violent criminals. The local police do not need to be arresting illegal immigrants for traffic violations.

Serious charge that lacks truth. Fake News.