How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Hard_Rom]

Then there is you!!! LOL. How are you? I saw a picture earlier today that makes me think your avatar is a very important symbol to you. I tried briefly to find it but couldn't. Can you share or is it too personal? Just wondered. By the way, it didn't look like old news. I am hoping I am not asking a naive question and it's a symbol everyone should know. I am on lit too much today. I have a bum knee. Had an x-ray but won't, of course, get the results until next week. Should be laying low this weekend.

Kind of a totem animal.

Wild boar were held as fertility symbols by Anglo-Saxons. Also very dangerous animal to hunt. That is why the head is always the trophy with the apple in the mouth.

But wild boars and pigs are very smart, kind of dirty. But can be social. If left alone they are fine. But back one in a corner and you are in danger. Very protective of family group. Lots of cool things about wild boars. Dirty and dangerous but smart and protective. A cool totem animal, IMO.

All my tats except cycling one on leg are pagan. Wild boar totem, bindrune metaphysical defibulator and Wotan's/Odin's ravens with Norse saga poetry on shoulders.

Did you know Tuesday is Tyr's Day (AS god of war), Wednesday is Wodan's Day, Thursday is Thuror's/Thor's Day and Friday is Frigga's Day (AS fertility goddess), Saturday is Roman Saturnalis, Sunday and Monday self explanatory.

 

[Tryharder62]

Kind of a totem animal.

Wild boar were held as fertility symbols by Anglo-Saxons. Also very dangerous animal to hunt. That is why the head is always the trophy with the apple in the mouth.

But wild boars and pigs are very smart, kind of dirty. But can be social. If left alone they are fine. But back one in a corner and you are in danger. Very protective of family group. Lots of cool things about wild boars. Dirty and dangerous but smart and protective. A cool totem animal, IMO.

All my tats except cycling one on leg are pagan. Wild boar totem, bindrune metaphysical defibulator and Wotan's/Odin's ravens with Norse saga poetry on shoulders.

Did you know Tuesday is Tyr's Day (AS god of war), Wednesday is Wodan's Day, Thursday is Thuror's/Thor's Day and Friday is Frigga's Day (AS fertility goddess), Saturday is Roman Saturnalis, Sunday and Monday self explanatory.

No, I did not know that, but I do know that some things that continue today were not Christian. Like having wedding rings in Christian weddings.Thanks for sharing about your tattoos. Didn't know what the other symbol was either. Now I do.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No, I did not know that, but I do know that some things that continue today were not Christian. Like having wedding rings in Christian weddings.

And Christmas. 'Twas Saturnalia -- which in pagan Roman times was kind of a combination New Year's, April Fool's Day and Halloween. But it did include the custom of gift-giving.

Easter is even weirder. It involves a rabbit that delivers colored eggs and gets crucified. Never understood that, but my family always scrupulously observed the custom. Got really messy, some years. Until we figured out you're supposed to boil the eggs.

 

[colddiesel]

Nope. Think again. Even that isn't original.

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[Tryharder62]

And Christmas. 'Twas Saturnalia -- which in pagan Roman times was kind of a combination New Year's, April Fool's Day and Halloween. But it did include the custom of gift-giving.

Easter is even weirder. It involves a rabbit that delivers colored eggs and gets crucified. Never understood that, but my family always scrupulously observed the custom. Got really messy, some years. Until we figured out you're supposed to boil the eggs.

Christians are suppose to celebrate Jesus everyday.

Constantine was the first Christian emperor. He was a pagan and converted to Christianity. Either as a means to unify his empire or to make converting to Christianity easier, he sought to blend Christian and pagan roots. That is why the date of Christmas is set around the other pagan festivals and incorporate some of the pagan traditions. Man chose to celebrate his birth like that.

The bible mentions, of course, Jesus' death and resurrection but nowhere does it say that it is to be a holiday. Jesus mentions at the last supper that he is glad to be celebrating Passover before he suffers. That is why Easter is set around Passover and the spring equinox. Again pagan traditions seem to get included. Man chose to celebrate his death and resurrection like that.

Christmas and Easter are wonderful holidays and a nice time of reflection and worship. However, they are not how Jesus asked to be remembered and are not in the bible. He asked to be remembered in the Lord's supper. Communion! That is why some Christians choose not to celebrate Christmas and Easter. I choose to celebrate!

 

[Tryharder62]

I have a couple cute stories. One year, my son was in pre-school, and we had about 5 Easter Egg hunts we could go to that year. For some reason my son decides he loves the color green and only wants green eggs. So kids are running around grabbing all kinds of eggs and my son has a few green eggs in the bucket. He was happy though- I guess that is all that matters. He got wiser the next year.

One year my mother-in-law got a pinatta and the kids worked on it for a half an hour or more. They got a big hole in it and my mother-in law discovered that it was an empty pinata and it had to be filled with candy.

I'm probably the only mother whose child liked to find an empty plastic egg. I hid one every year to remember the empty tomb. Good memories.

 

[Hard_Rom]

When Pope Gregory sent Augustine to Christianise the English he was instructed to conduct a 'hearts and minds' campaign and adopt native traditions into Christianity.

Christmas is still called 'Yule" at times. Easter is Eostre a Germanic goddess celebrated in spring.

It's all about the symbolism. All the big religions use the same Golden Rules.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

When Pope Gregory sent Augustine to Christianise the English he was instructed to conduct a 'hearts and minds' campaign and adopt native traditions into Christianity.

Christmas is still called 'Yule" at times. Easter is Eostre a Germanic goddess celebrated in spring.

It's all about the symbolism. All the big religions use the same Golden Rules.

I am not a Catholic. I don't adhere to Catholic traditions. I adhere to the Bible as the authority from God.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How many Catholics does it take to change a light bulb?

Three . . . but they're really only one.

 

[Conager]

When Pope Gregory sent Augustine to Christianise the English he was instructed to conduct a 'hearts and minds' campaign and adopt native traditions into Christianity.

Christmas is still called 'Yule" at times. Easter is Eostre a Germanic goddess celebrated in spring.

It's all about the symbolism. All the big religions use the same Golden Rules.

Valid. Universal truths are such for a reason.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

How many Catholics does it take to change a light bulb?

Three . . . but they're really only one.

3 Catholics don't equal the Trinity though.

 

[phrodeau]

3 Catholics don't equal the Trinity though.

Which part of the Bible explains the Trinity? I'll hold.

 

[KingOrfeo]

3 Catholics don't equal the Trinity though.

Michelangelo was up on a scaffold, lying on his back, painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, and feeling bored. He looked down and saw an old woman kneeling and praying at the altar. Feeling like a bit of fun, he shouted, "I am Jesus Christ!"

The woman didn't look up, just kept on telling her beads.

"I am Jesus Christ!"

She didn't look up.

"I am Jesus Christ! Listen to me, my child, and I will perform miracles!"

At that point the woman looked up, shook her fist, and shouted, "Hey, you shuduppa you mouth! I'ma talka to you Mama!"

 

[Conager]

Which part of the Bible explains the Trinity? I'll hold.

Luke 3:22

You're welcome.

 

[phrodeau]

Luke 3:22

You're welcome.

That describes them, but doesn't explain them. Doesn't call them a Trinity, neither.

How about the Word? John sure thought the Word was as important as the Father and Son.

 

[EternalFantasy]

John surely. All over that book.

Mathew 28:19.

And in the old testament, God said let us make man in our own image, after our likeness.

Who was God talking to?


There are many others not so obvious in both old and new.


And a mystery is to be understood, not to be explained.

 

[phrodeau]

John surely. All over that book.

Mathew 28:19.

And in the old testament, God said let us make man in our own image, after our likeness.

Who was God talking to?


There are many others not so obvious in both old and new.


And a mystery is to be understood, not to be explained.

Maybe God was talking to that Word guy. John 1:1

 

[EternalFantasy]

Maybe God was talking to that Word guy. John 1:1

Who was with Him, who was God.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Who was with Him, who was God.

Kinda like the Point of Pointland in Flatland.

 

[Tryharder62]

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all (2 Corinthians 13:14).

To God’s elect…who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood (1 Peter 1:1-2).

Does the bible ever call it the Trinity? No. Tertullian 165-220 asserted the threesome nature of God and used the word Trinity to get Christians to wrap their mind around the concept. It's not an easy concept. Doesn't mean it isn't true.

Kind of an interesting aside but the word Bible is not in the Bible either.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Kind of an interesting aside but the word Bible is not in the Bible either.

"Bible" just means "book." I'm sure the word "book" must be in there somewhere.

 

[Tryharder62]

"Bible" just means "book." I'm sure the word "book" must be in there somewhere.

That is what I am trying to explain, but not well. The Trinity just means the three in one concept. Trinity just means the concept of the father and son and holy spirit as one God as well. It is in there! I like the first verse I quoted the best to describe it.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Bible is a diminutive of Byblos. Meaning 'papyrus'. The city that invented the papyrus, and used ink from shells to write manuscripts, was called Byblos by the Greek.

Byblos has archaeology of continuous inhabitants since circa 11,000 years. Arguably the oldest city in the world. It's God is El, the highest form of God in Canaanite/Phoenician times.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That is what I am trying to explain, but not well. The Trinity just means the three in one concept. Trinity just means the concept of the father and son and holy spirit as one God as well. It is in there! I like the first verse I quoted the best to describe it.

Where did the concept originate of the Holy Spirit as a distinct third person? That's nowhere in the OT, it treats God as a simple unity. Add a fully-divine Christ and you necessarily get a duality. But why a trinity?

It's not even clear to me what is the role and function of the HS. The other two are fairly obvious -- the Father made and rules the universe, the Son redeems the sins of mankind. But what does the HS do?

 

[Tryharder62]

Where did the concept originate of the Holy Spirit as a distinct third person? That's nowhere in the OT, it treats God as a simple unity. Add a fully-divine Christ and you get a duality. But why a trinity?

Because the old testament was before Jesus. So when Jesus came you get the son and when he goes back to his father the holy spirit is sent to be with us. John 16:7. Of course, you would have to believe in the fully divine Christ in order to believe what he said about the Holy Spirit.