Can You Write Something Too Kinky? Is That Even A Real Thing?

[GoodGameBadMan]

Does subject matter turn people off automatically, if it's too hardcore? If your story uses coercion and rape as themes, does that hurt or hinder getting people to read your story?

Is there such a thing as a story being too vanilla to be called erotic?

Is there a better way of using such dark themes? Is there no need to worry?

What is your opinion?

 

[sr71plt]

Yes a story can be too vanilla to be called erotic. This site even has a category for those stories--Nonerotic.

I don't think a story can be too kinky, though, and I say that because I write some of the most outlandish fetishes--to provide variety--and those stories are received well here--and sell well in the marketplace. So, there is a market for them. There's no one "people" to turn off or on. This seems to quite often not to be understood on the forum. Posters always seem to be looking for that one "people" who will only give them adulation, and they also seem to become too concerned about squeamish readers who require babysitting and won't be adults on an adult site and take responsibility for themselves and just move on when they encounter something top kinky/nasty for their delicate constitutions.

 

[Handley_Page]

Does subject matter turn people off automatically, if it's too hardcore? If your story uses coercion and rape as themes, does that hurt or hinder getting people to read your story?

Is there such a thing as a story being too vanilla to be called erotic?

Is there a better way of using such dark themes? Is there no need to worry?

What is your opinion?

There are two things that can really get up a readers nose.
Rape & Underage.

Both are, at best, contentious, but there are those who write them just the same, and we'll get the usual arguments.
I suggest you steer well clear of them - at least for now

 

[sr71plt]

There are two things that can really get up a readers nose.
Rape & Underage.

Some readers--one can't even claim is most readers. Other readers are looking for it. That's why there are attempts (often successful) to write it here and that's what a lot of readers come here to find. God, twice a week we get forum threads on wanting to circumvent the rules here about writing it.

This is yet another "there is no one 'people' here" issue running here today--and every day. There is no one "people" to please.

 

[oggbashan]

I write kinky, weird and for obscure fetishes.

I also write vanilla romance with no, or only implied, sex.

Rape and coercion have to stay within Literotica's rules. In the end it should be consensual.

There is an audience for nearly anything. There is a Lit readership for almost any type of story posted here but the odd, weird and extreme fetish reduce the potential readership significantly.

 

[GoodGameBadMan]

Yes a story can be too vanilla to be called erotic. This site even has a category for those stories--Nonerotic.

I don't think a story can be too kinky, though, and I say that because I write some of the most outlandish fetishes--to provide variety--and those stories are received well here--and sell well in the marketplace. So, there is a market for them. There's no one "people" to turn off or on. This seems to quite often not to be understood on the forum. Posters always seem to be looking for that one "people" who will only give them adulation, and they also seem to become too concerned about squeamish readers who require babysitting and won't be adults on an adult site and take responsibility for themselves and just move on when they encounter something top kinky/nasty for their delicate constitutions.

Rape and coercion aren't the most well-received themes. I just know if it was written well, that it would still have an audience. And adulation isn't my goal. Getting more people to read my work and vote, so more people will be exposed to my writing. Isn't that what most writer's want on here? Honestly, I ask because my tastes run strictly through the dark corners. I don't think I could write a romantic story if I was paid too. Nor a light vanilla story.

 

[sr71plt]

Rape and coercion aren't the most well-received themes.

Neither you nor I know what is the most well-received theme--or the least well-received theme--is here. (My guess would be it was mother-son incest is the answer to both , but I don't know any more than you do).

We have no idea how well rape and coercion would be received here it if was welcome here. We certainly know we have weekly complaints that it isn't welcomed here. They aren't complaining because they don't want to see it here.

But no one has a handle on the numbers of people involved in anything here.

Isn't that what most writer's want on here?

Neither you nor I know what most writer's want on here.[/QUOTE]

Could you people just start getting a clue that there are some things that aren't knowable because there is no reliable data base existent toward that question?

 

[NicoleZ]

Some readers--one can't even claim is most readers. Other readers are looking for it. That's why there are attempts (often successful) to write it here and that's what a lot of readers come here to find. God, twice a week we get forum threads on wanting to circumvent the rules here about writing it.

This is yet another "there is no one 'people' here" issue running here today--and every day. There is no one "people" to please.

Yes!

I write some of the most outlandish fetishes

Err...,

As per you first statement above, what's "outlandish" to you is someone else's vanilla. As I don't have the the time to search through your 900+ stories, did you ever write one about a young man who like to put on a diaper, poop it and then have his lover make love to him through it? Or have you ever written a Nullo-story, GM of course?

(I'm only asking in order to illustrate the point)

 

[Bramblethorn]

Everything imaginable is a fetish for some readers and a turn-off for others. As long as you're working within the site's rules, write what you like, and make sure that the blurb and intro of your story are informative enough for readers to figure out whether it's going to be their thing.

 

[Hypoxia]

Everything imaginable is a fetish for some readers and a turn-off for others.

"Celibacy is the most unnatural perversion." And cf. Rule 34.

 

[sr71plt]

Yes!



Err...,

As per you first statement above, what's "outlandish" to you is someone else's vanilla. As I don't have the the time to search through your 900+ stories, did you ever write one about a young man who like to put on a diaper, poop it and then have his lover make love to him through it? Or have you ever written a Nullo-story, GM of course?

(I'm only asking in order to illustrate the point)

Some of my best-selling books in the market are on sounding--urethral penetration. You don't get much more extreme fetish than that. I have an essay on Lit. on that extreme fetish too. My best-selling book in the market place is Fetish Galore--628 paperback pages covering 40 different sexual fetishes. (Once again you didn't bother to do any research before posting or you wouldn't have had to ask the question.) All of those stories are here on Lit. too.

Other than that, I don't know why you even posted other than to razz me. What's your point? How does it counter/question anything I've posted to this thread?

 

[ElectricBlue]

What is your opinion?

Write and submit, you'll quickly find out.

Just keep within Literotica rules, don't try to stretch them or interpret them in any way other than plain English. No sexual activity under eighteen really does mean that, no bestiality means no human/animal interaction - unicorns are fantasy beasts, apparently, but I wouldn't have a clue - rape must eventually become consensual. One or two others, but over eighteen is fundamental.

If you know you're dark or think you're dark, you'll get a following; and you'll probably get an even bigger bunch of folk who just stay away and leave you alone.

Nobody can tell you anything about numbers other than at the crudest, highest level (you can see for yourself the number of stories in each category), and there is no typical reader. There are plenty of soap boxes though, and Hyde Park Corner gets really noisy sometimes. Lots of people go shooting in barrels, fishing trips are popular, and the salmon always rises....

You'll soon figure it out

 

[NicoleZ]

Once again you didn't bother to do any research before posting

I've already said I have no intention of reading your 900+ stories on Lit nor have I even the remotest interest in reading a 628-page paperback just to satisfy your criterion of "research" - nor would any sane person. I asked a civil question, politely, yet you cannot abstain from your snide remarks so I'll put it in plain English that I hope even you may understand:

How fucking far up your own arse are you? I mean, seriously?

What's your point? How does it counter/question anything I've posted to this thread?

You only managed to contradict yourself <shrugs> Now read THIS:

Everything imaginable is a fetish for some readers and a turn-off for others.

It's saying the same as THIS, but using different words

what's "outlandish" to you is someone else's vanilla.

You may consider urethral penetration an extreme fetish but compared to the full nullification* including amputations of the lower extremities in a BDSM pleasure slave it's quite frankly little more than a bland vanilla fudge, topped with sprinkles and whipped cream.

* Male: castration & penectomy. Female: excision, infibulation, mastectomy, hysterectomy, surgical removal of ovaries, fallopian tubes and vagina. Both: complete and permanent removal of all bodily hair except, possibly, eyebrows and eyelashes.

 

[sr71plt]

I've already said I have no intention of reading your 900+ stories on Lit nor have I even the remotest interest in reading a 628-page paperback just to satisfy your criterion of "research" - nor would any sane person. I asked a civil question, politely, yet you cannot abstain from your snide remarks so I'll put it in plain English that I hope even you may understand:

How fucking far up your own arse are you? I mean, seriously?


You only managed to contradict yourself <shrugs> Now read THIS:


It's saying the same as THIS, but using different words


You may consider urethral penetration an extreme fetish but compared to the full nullification* including amputations of the lower extremities in a BDSM pleasure slave it's quite frankly little more than a bland vanilla fudge, topped with sprinkles and whipped cream.

* Male: castration & penectomy. Female: excision, infibulation, mastectomy, hysterectomy, surgical removal of ovaries, fallopian tubes and vagina. Both: complete and permanent removal of all bodily hair except, possibly, eyebrows and eyelashes.

Well, OK, you're just posting to stalk me. Nothing new. You haven't posted anything counter to what I posted to the thread--which (my first response) was that I didn't think any story line was too kinky to be posted here if it made the submissions cut (or even if it didn't)--that there would be an audience for it here. You've posted nothing that argues against this position. You are just backbiting to be nasty. And, once again, you've searched google to appear as some sort of expert in something--once again overspeak (telling me that you probably are a high school student).

Since I don't post to folks I suspect are underage or are clueless and just stalking me, I'll let it you rant on if you wish. I'll stand by my original responses--that (A), yes, nonerotic vanilla could be posted here because there's even a category for it, and (B) no, there is no kink that could be posted here and not have an audience here.

 

[NicoleZ]

Well, OK, you're just posting to stalk me. Nothing new. You haven't posted anything counter to what I posted to the thread--which (my first response) was that I didn't think any story line was too kinky to be posted here if it made the submissions cut (or even if it didn't)--that there would be an audience for it here. You've posted nothing that argues against this position. You are just backbiting to be nasty. And, once again, you've searched google to appear as some sort of expert in something--once again overspeak (telling me that you probably are a high school student).

Since I don't post to folks I suspect are underage or are clueless and just stalking me, I'll let it you rant on if you wish. I'll stand by my original responses--that (A), yes, nonerotic vanilla could be posted here because there's even a category for it, and (B) no, there is no kink that could be posted here and not have an audience here.

O, hear ye! Hear ye!

His Most Exalted Vacuousness, Lord sr71plt, Master of the Known Universes, has Spoken.

 

[GoodGameBadMan]

You know this was one of my first posts on this site, and this thread is an effort to have a discourse on themes, which is important to me. Now, please take your arguments elsewhere or stay and choose to be part of a civil conversation. If you wanted, either of you can choose to give each other the respect that you both want. But it starts with you.

 

[sr71plt]

You know this was one of my first posts on this site, and this thread is an effort to have a discourse on themes, which is important to me. Now, please take your arguments elsewhere or stay and choose to be part of a civil conversation. If you wanted, either of you can choose to give each other the respect that you both want. But it starts with you.

Did I or did I not respond to your original post? If so, you're welcome for me taking the time and effort to respond (as well as doing so on another thread too). You got responses and you don't own this forum or even this thread. You might just stay out any argument if you don't want to become part of it (This "you guys to someplace else to fight" is just a goading Internet game in its own right. If you don't want to goad, just don't post to it). I didn't start any argument on this thread.

 

[werdsmith]

don't write about cheating on your spouse without their consent, or its all over, lol.

 

[GoodGameBadMan]

You are correct, sir!

Very good advise