Noir violence (against women) and How I Met Guccifer 2.0

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Noir Violence (against women) and How I Met Guccifer 2.0...

I still remember, even from such a long time ago, the very first time I watched 'The Third Man.' I was very very young. I think it is was in fact that very first 'adult' type movie that my mother took me to and she went because SHE wanted to see it and for some reason on that particular day didn't or couldn't leave me with the um 'household staff.' (That would have likely been due to some kind of local cultural or religious festival very probably).

The MOST lingering memory is to do with this thin, echoing sound of running footsteps up and down empty cobbled streets, and down into underground tunnels, and then the sound of pistol shots, again, loudly firing, but also echoing into the darkness everywhere.

The scenes are not over-burdened with detail or visual elements - but those that are there, are like threatening chess-pieces on a stilted kind of Cosmic chessboard, and actually playing out in front of you in a live, and very serious, Cosmic chess-game.

The real violence in the noir style is not the physical fights, or the 'gut-shooting' of the side-kick or the two-bit villain, or anyone else; often the villain sort of 'gets away' in one sense or another.

The violence is always the encircling of the female main character who is compromised, by circumstances of life. There is a looming 'fate worse than death' in there somewhere, regularly.

The Third Man, Casablanca, Kiss Me Deadly - all have this element in them.

And of The Big Sleep. There are many titles. Not to say all THAT many, but 'many.'

The darkness in the noir style, is a way of 'blacking out' or blurring the misleading narratives of our daily waking world.

And in that matte arrangement, the REAL chess pieces can be allowed to come out and be seen.

Right now, the story is more 'ultra-violet' than 'noir' for me. So, no fun for ol' JBJ here.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

 

[lovecraft68]

That's because they were made in a time women were third class citizens and kept there by the weak men who were afraid of women.

The woman always had to be in trouble to make the 'real man' look like a hero and that she actually needed him.

The misogynists who JBJ worships would spin in their graves if they saw how popular kick ass female heroes are today. JBJ and handsinthedark just try to pretend its not real so they don't have to be as scared as the people who wrote that crap.

 

[sr71plt]

I know it bursts a bubble a bit, but what was behind the sounds-of-footsteps-on-wet-cobblestones-and-shots/screams-in-the-night-played-against-near-darkness of noir thriller scenes was a cost efficiency measure of filming, particularly by British film makers "back then." Those scenes were cheap to film. I've worked on some movies where that was talked about as low-cost filler to keep overall production costs down and fill time out.

 

[TxRad]

I know it bursts a bubble a bit, but what was behind the sounds-of-footsteps-on-wet-cobblestones-and-shots/screams-in-the-night-played-against-near-darkness of noir thriller scenes was a cost efficiency measure of filming, particularly by British film makers "back then." Those scenes were cheap to film. I've worked on some movies where that was talked about as low-cost filler to keep overall production costs down and fill time out.

Oh hell, now you've done it. JBJ's precious, tight and lean noir has filler.

 

[Handley_Page]

The third man ?
Damned good music track, and a very good film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEsWi88Qv0

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Hmn, interesting points Lovecraft...

I don't think of course, that JBJ actually believes there ARE such REAL things as kick ass females, heroes or just 'kick-ass.'

But I have a question soon that will come in a NEW THREAD that if he doesn't respond to, will mean he really has gone into hibernation.

 

[sr71plt]

But I have a question soon that will come in a NEW THREAD that if he doesn't respond to, will mean he really has gone into hibernation.

He hasn't gone into hibernation. He's posted a handful of posts every day. You should see the sort of stuff he posts to the GB. And here on the AH, he's been posting a house tour to himself that sort of makes you feel his family has deteriorated across recent generations.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

He hasn't gone into hibernation. He's posted a handful of posts every day. You should see the sort of stuff he posts to the GB. And here on the AH, he's been posting a house tour to himself that sort of makes you feel his family has deteriorated across recent generations.

Yeah I did eventually stop by GB and noticed...

By the way, what do YOU think of Steve Pieczenik (if you have a view at all there)?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I go with what research reveals, and what I observe.

The research says women start all the fights and get their asses stomped. That's true.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah I did eventually stop by GB and noticed...

By the way, what do YOU think of Steve Pieczenik (if you have a view at all there)?

I've never heard of him either.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

That's because they were made in a time women were third class citizens and kept there by the weak men who were afraid of women.

The woman always had to be in trouble to make the 'real man' look like a hero and that she actually needed him.

The misogynists who JBJ worships would spin in their graves if they saw how popular kick ass female heroes are today. JBJ and handsinthedark just try to pretend its not real so they don't have to be as scared as the people who wrote that crap.

Interesting take.

Kind of.

Sometimes I wonder if you're therapist gets paid enough though.

I'm gonna disagree though. Sr pointed out the cost of production; I'll do the opposite (but not disagree with him). If you'll notice the list of films and its length, you'll see a pattern, which you were responding to. However, Hollywood always has a pattern. It's a "what sells today" pattern. If one film makes money, others will follow suit. As far as the man being the hero; well, men had the money, so they dpent in that direction, and they added the romance element to make sure the wives enjoyed it too (cuz if you did, she'll need a ticket to the next one).

Not much more to it than that.

Q_C

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

There's definitely truth in what you say re film budgeting and formula selecting.

But I think that only defines the period post people like Howard Hughes and even Kevin McClory and all of those super-larger-than-real-life producers, who were also, inventors and innovators too.

Things change, everything material does eventually.

And Hollywood is dead.

La La Land is a joke. Not bad actors, worked very hard.

Terrible script, bullshit patronizing political Left crap.

Bond is gay. Yeah, right.

Hillary is way ahead in the polls. U-huh.

Hollywood is making money and more people than ever are going to see first release movies. Of course they are, the world population is increasing and China has brought its people into todayland.

But Hollywood has absolutely no clue what it is doing.

It can't see the flow of technology and what that means for entertainment and creative ideas.

It's a Zombie. Cooker-cutter dead people.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

There's definitely truth in what you say re film budgeting and formula selecting.

But I think that only defines the period post people like Howard Hughes and even Kevin McClory and all of those super-larger-than-real-life producers, who were also, inventors and innovators too.

Things change, everything material does eventually.

And Hollywood is dead.

La La Land is a joke. Not bad actors, worked very hard.

Terrible script, bullshit patronizing political Left crap.

Bond is gay. Yeah, right.

Hillary is way ahead in the polls. U-huh.

Hollywood is making money and more people than ever are going to see first release movies. Of course they are, the world population is increasing and China has brought its people into todayland.

But Hollywood has absolutely no clue what it is doing.

It can't see the flow of technology and what that means for entertainment and creative ideas.

It's a Zombie. Cooker-cutter dead people.

H2O2 (peroxide) and H3O (deuterium-heavy water) look like the real deal but wont quench thirst. Art is getting closer to the real deal than before.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Art is getting closer to the real deal than before.

How could anyone argue with this?

They're making another Transformers movie.

Q_C

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Poor PILETTE must be my best fan. I never read his posts unless someone I respect copies something PILETTE said. My IGGY list is enormous. PILETTE and his admirers, mostly.

I roll my eyes at the notion of FEMALE MARINE COMMANDOS. They don't exist. A while back I saw an ARMY FEMALE BADASS get in the ring with a Marine who knocked her unconscious in no time. I saw the same result in Vietnam when a Korean Flying Monkey assaulted a large black kid we called GENTLE BEN. Flying Monkey was a karate klown. Ben set his beer down and knocked the man out cold. On the other hand I knew a huge human named Frankie. Sitting in a chair Frankie was taller than anyone. His wife was maybe 5-9 and a 100 pounds. But she kicked Frankies ass when he was passed out. She used a cast iron frying pan to beat some good manners into his skull.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Yep. I know what you're saying re the false portrayal of female 'marine commandos.'

The problem is this, though, NT - tigers are dangerous and deadly, but their attacks can only last about fifteen consecutive large, fast steps in more or less one direction. After that, a wild boar can kill them, an elephant can certainly kill them, and a human can get away from them.

Marines are only effective instruments in the (admittedly broad) context in which they should be used and preferred to be used.

I don't know any marines who can literally 'fly.' All of them can more or less jump out of aeroplanes. Flying takes a body that can execute from a figure-eight descender.

The question of doing actual physical harm to someone in the end resolves in the willingness and psychological neutrality over hurting someone badly.

...And there are a lot of different reasons that some people are 'better at' this kind of thing in any given situation that other people.

There is muscle, there is aesthetic muscle, there is muscle with a truly useful lifespan at peak of maybe ten years at most.

I've done some work looking at various athletes and physical performance subjects - at one time we conducted the work at the Eagles facilities in Philly. There were marines there, and football players, and 'others.' The highest rated physiques in terms of actual combat functionality were - a world champion squash player, an Olympic fencer, and an 'other.'

The quantum of speed differential AND stamina was staggering, even between the top American football players, some of whom were at least as 'good' as top professional ballet dancers in agility and flexibility - and the top three individuals. The marines ranked equal to the world's best fire fighters - and that's all. LOL 'That's all' not necessarily being an indication of anything poor!

If you ever have the chance, or get the chance, to observe a top professional boxer, out of the ring, in normal clothes, and relaxing, you won't see all that 'muscle.' They're almost positively THIN.

If a tiger CATCHES you, then that's a different thing.

Half the battle with 'hits' is in not suspecting what you're looking at. Next is the speed. And the impact tool.

Lucky you're not Mikhail Lesin. It wasn't a marine that did him in... No clues, no evidence, just the dead body. In the middle of Washington no less. Literally right under the noses of the center where Dr Sebastian Gorka works and where he had just been moments earlier. This takes some balls, for me.