How about Free Market Care?

[OldJourno]

Republicans are reportedly fretting over what to do about Obamacare. How about shoving Medicaid down to the states and letting the free market take care of everyone else who isn't wrapped up in Medicare or the VA? And I'd tighten up who gets VA care, too.
The mostly free market does a pretty good job of putting food in the grocery stores, clothes in the clothing stores, electronics in the ... you get the idea.
Unleash insurance companies and let them compete to the point that someone like me here in the Southwest can buy a policy from Mutual of Anchorage.
And get the government the fuck out of the way.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Agree


Block grants and open markets...

 

[OldJourno]

I penned something a lot gassier than this for one of my poorly crafted columns. Many online comments were from people who couldn't comprehend health care without a hefty government involvement.
It was an alien concept.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The reliance upon and belief in government is truly The Road to Serfdom.


Aristotle proclaimed, some men are born to be slaves.


Tyranny is acceptable if the slave feels secure.

 

[Greypowerful]

Classic Adam Smith...

Like most concepts in American "Rightness", firmly couched in the late 18th Century.

Heaven forfend that ANYONE gets in the way of the ability to make money.

Y'all have way too many folks "on the take" at SO many levels, to proceed without some sort of public traffic cop.

Just my Kommie Pinko opinion...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do you write for The Red Green Show?

 

[Greypowerful]

Do you write for The Red Green Show?

Nope. A local rag...

The Bootheel Buttwipe - "All the news that's fit to recycle in th outhouse".

 

[OldJourno]

Classic Adam Smith...

Like most concepts in American "Rightness", firmly couched in the late 18th Century.

Heaven forfend that ANYONE gets in the way of the ability to make money.

Y'all have way too many folks "on the take" at SO many levels, to proceed without some sort of public traffic cop.

Just my Kommie Pinko opinion...

So putting another two or three government layers "on the take" is your solution?
Have you ever known government to streamline anything?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nope. A local rag...

The Bootheel Buttwipe - "All the news that's fit to recycle in th outhouse".

Look, this ain't Canada, we have indoor plumbing, even in the 'Heel...

 

[Greypowerful]

So putting another two or three government layers "on the take" is your solution?
Have you ever known government to streamline anything?

You are brighter than that. It's not an absolute World. Even Chump can't destroy a bureaucracy that's as entrenched as yours - but at LEAST proceed with a partnership where the big bullies STILL take their vigorish (Liberty Health, etc.), like the ACA provides.

I'm on record that the system that works here will NOT WORK there, btw.

Absolute systems are fine in theory...

 

[Greypowerful]

Look, this ain't Canada, we have indoor plumbing, even in the 'Heel...

Flatlander, are you implying that I'm full of shit?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, I was just about to suggest that another steaming hot cup of coffee could lead to a good BM which might mellow your mood a tad...

 

[water505]

The more the Feds got involved in healthcare the worse it got, just like everything else they stick their big nose into. They're very good at inventing nonexistent problems then "fixing" what they screwed up only to make things worse than ever.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Take the F-35, for example...

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[Conager]

Classic Adam Smith...

Like most concepts in American "Rightness", firmly couched in the late 18th Century.

Heaven forfend that ANYONE gets in the way of the ability to make money.

Y'all have way too many folks "on the take" at SO many levels, to proceed without some sort of public traffic cop.

Just my Kommie Pinko opinion...

If we can't afford the medical supplies in the medical professionals to deliver Healthcare to Americans currently, how can we afford those exact same expenses plus a big expensive bureaucracy?

The biggest problem with Healthcare in America is that Americans are not healthy. We don't eat healthy especially our poor and we pay them to not eat healthy. Something like 20% of food stamps are spent on soda.

 

[Ramone45]

Republicans are reportedly fretting over what to do about Obamacare. How about shoving Medicaid down to the states and letting the free market take care of everyone else who isn't wrapped up in Medicare or the VA? And I'd tighten up who gets VA care, too.
The mostly free market does a pretty good job of putting food in the grocery stores, clothes in the clothing stores, electronics in the ... you get the idea.
Unleash insurance companies and let them compete to the point that someone like me here in the Southwest can buy a policy from Mutual of Anchorage.
And get the government the fuck out of the way.

We've become addicted to "somebody else" paying for our shit. That makes everything "cost" more. Lets do a little tort reform and go to a free market. I have a super high deductible. I pay for all my care. I love the way my doctor takes care of me. No unnecessary tests. No drugs. He's willing to negotiate knowing that the money is coming out of my pocket. It's a delight.

 

[Greypowerful]

Take the F-35, for example...

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Concur.

Overpriced Yank toy. Glad we're going with more Hornets, now that the Conservative bums are gone.



Time to go work on a Harvard (T-6, to you, Chum)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I read an article yesterday, or the day before about more clinics, the one highlighted is in Oklahoma, where services are on a cash-only basis,=. No insurance and an printed "menu" of services and procedures with a set price on each one that does not change and includes transportation, therapy and complications allowing people to drop expensive insurance that would not cover the procedure due to high deductibles, copays and premiums. For those with money reserves, it cuts the cost of the procedure in half.

That is the sort of thing that would work well for my family if I were allowed to carry low-cost catastrophic insurance that I could shop from a nationwide pool of brokers, just like my auto insurance.

It might have been at Reason.com. If i run across it again, I will link to it.



http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/27/what-happens-when-doctors-only-take-cash

 

[RobDownSouth]

Sooooo....allow private insurance companies to profit from the healthiest folks and stick the government with all of the sickest people?

I don't think you've thought your cunning plan through, Connie Susie-Que.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The more the Feds got involved in healthcare the worse it got, just like everything else they stick their big nose into. They're very good at inventing nonexistent problems then "fixing" what they screwed up only to make things worse than ever.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aMXMe1ngqBA/hqdefault.jpg

 

[Sean]

If we can't afford the medical supplies in the medical professionals to deliver Healthcare to Americans currently, how can we afford those exact same expenses plus a big expensive bureaucracy?

You could go to the UK system and cut the cost by about 70%

 

[Lancecastor]

He's willing to negotiate knowing that the money is coming out of my pocket.

That's hilarious.

 

[Wrong Element]

Republicans are reportedly fretting over what to do about Obamacare. How about shoving Medicaid down to the states and letting the free market take care of everyone else who isn't wrapped up in Medicare or the VA? And I'd tighten up who gets VA care, too.
The mostly free market does a pretty good job of putting food in the grocery stores, clothes in the clothing stores, electronics in the ... you get the idea.
Unleash insurance companies and let them compete to the point that someone like me here in the Southwest can buy a policy from Mutual of Anchorage.
And get the government the fuck out of the way.

If it's all so simple, ask yourself why a group of people who all know how elections are won and lost haven't proposed something like this yet.

And what's the rationale for exempting Medicare and the VA?

 

[pointless]

the free market? i bet you still believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy as well.

 

[Liar]

How about free market firefighing?

Same dynamic. Demand is immediate and absolute, which gives the supplier all the negotiating power.