Before you go, Obama: 'Has any other Nobel Peace prize winner dropped 100k bombs?'

[hashtag46]

Russians.

Before you go, Obama: 'Has any other Nobel Peace prize winner dropped 100k bombs?'
https://www.rt.com/usa/374292-obama-bomb-nobel-peace-prize/

"On President Barack Obama's last day in office, the legacy of the first president to win a Nobel Peace Prize so early in office is weighed against his becoming the first president to bomb several countries over eight years."

 

[Radiohead]

Russians.

Before you go, Obama: 'Has any other Nobel Peace prize winner dropped 100k bombs?'
https://www.rt.com/usa/374292-obama-bomb-nobel-peace-prize/

"On President Barack Obama's last day in office, the legacy of the first president to win a Nobel Peace Prize so early in office is weighed against his becoming the first president to bomb several countries over eight years."

First thing I think of is Netanyahu but it depends on who claims which marks

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No other winner of the Peace Prize has spent every single day of his rule at war...

 

[EmpressJosephine]

Yasser Arafat did far worse things, and he got a "Peace Prize."

Surely, you can blame Obama for a lot of mistakes in dealing with Islamic jihad and terrorism, including snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by pulling out of Iraq when he did. On the other hand, he did seem to learn from that mistake and pursued a more aggressive war policy after that. Indeed, his nearly indiscriminate use of drone attacks made GWB look absolutely passive by comparison.

When the other side is the aggressor, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, etc., sometimes the only way to peace is through swift victory in war. Harry Truman probably deserved the "Peace Prize" for the atomic attacks on Japan, given the millions of Allied and Japanese lives thereby saved by forcing the peace.

I thought it was silly when Obama got the "Peace Prize" at the start of his presidency. He hadn't done anything yet! Now, I say, good on him for pursuing a policy of peace through strength.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, he didn't learn his lesson because he only committed enough force not to lose.



If he won, then he would become everything he hates with a passion: an American Colonialist.

 

[hashtag46]

1.Yasser Arafat did far worse things, and he got a "Peace Prize."

2.When the other side is the aggressor, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, etc., sometimes the only way to peace is through swift victory in war.


3. Harry Truman probably deserved the "Peace Prize" for the atomic attacks on Japan, given the millions of Allied and Japanese lives thereby saved by forcing the peace.

I thought it was silly when Obama got the "Peace Prize" at the start of his presidency. He hadn't done anything yet! Now, I say, good on him for pursuing a policy of peace through strength.

1.Wow. I didn't know that.

2.Is that why the US has been supporting and financing ISIS?

2, 3.You seem to have taken for granted the propaganda bullshit that they've been feeding you guys

 

[EmpressJosephine]

1.Wow. I didn't know that.

2.Is that why the US has been supporting and financing ISIS?

2, 3.You seem to have taken for granted the propaganda bullshit that they've been feeding you guys

Sorry for the delay.

I'm never sure how best to respond to delusional people, but lets try with the basic facts:

1. If you didn't know that, then you seem ignorant of history (Yasser Arafat received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994), which certainly weakens your later points.

2. While the USA does support some of the rebels in Syria, I know of no evidence that ISIS is among them.

3. Again, you show your ignorance of history. Up until the day the Emperor went on the radio to explain to the Japanese people why they must surrender, the military was not only preparing for the Allied invasion, but they were training all Japanese citizens, 12 years old and up, how to use various improvised weapons to fight and resist the Allied invasion. If not for the atomic bombs, countless tens of thousands of Allied solders and countless millions of Japanese would have died in the inevitable invasion.

 

[hashtag46]

Sorry for the delay.

I'm never sure how best to respond to delusional people, but lets try with the basic facts:

1. If you didn't know that, then you seem ignorant of history (Yasser Arafat received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994), which certainly weakens your later points.

2. While the USA does support some of the rebels in Syria, I know of no evidence that ISIS is among them.

3. Again, you show your ignorance of history. Up until the day the Emperor went on the radio to explain to the Japanese people why they must surrender, the military was not only preparing for the Allied invasion, but they were training all Japanese citizens, 12 years old and up, how to use various improvised weapons to fight and resist the Allied invasion. If not for the atomic bombs, countless tens of thousands of Allied solders and countless millions of Japanese would have died in the inevitable invasion.

1,My first point was exactly to admit to my ignorance and to say: "Wow! Arafat too." Good to know.
I fear I might come across the wrong way.

And yes, while I've been reading a lot from good sources lately, I do admit that I was quite ignorant of history before joining the forum. And I still am.
But one thing that I'm sure about is that americans are much more indoctrinated (starting from middle school to later on) than the rest of the world. Regardless of social class or education.

2.Several members of the international community (not those belonging to the Eu - NATO axis) have been making an increase nomber of accusations lately. Backed by pretty plausible facts, the most obvious being the US's bizarre moves in Syria, which are at complete odds with their rhetoric.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Sorry for the delay.

I'm never sure how best to respond to delusional people, but lets try with the basic facts:

1. If you didn't know that, then you seem ignorant of history (Yasser Arafat received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994), which certainly weakens your later points.

2. While the USA does support some of the rebels in Syria, I know of no evidence that ISIS is among them.

3. Again, you show your ignorance of history. Up until the day the Emperor went on the radio to explain to the Japanese people why they must surrender, the military was not only preparing for the Allied invasion, but they were training all Japanese citizens, 12 years old and up, how to use various improvised weapons to fight and resist the Allied invasion. If not for the atomic bombs, countless tens of thousands of Allied solders and countless millions of Japanese would have died in the inevitable invasion.

Holy shit, you are pushing the frontier of sheer stupidity.

But then you showed what a vacant headed idiot you were when you tried to tangle with me over the impending collapse of the white majority in this country.

 

[BotanyBoy]

1.Wow. I didn't know that.

2.Is that why the US has been supporting and financing ISIS?

No, US is backing ISIS because it needs a boogeyman for a reason to spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on the 'war' against terror.

We have to feed our war machine or economically the country shits the bed.

2, 3.You seem to have taken for granted the propaganda bullshit that they've been feeding you guys

How many lives do you think it would have cost to invade and submit mainland Japan with conventional weapons and warfare?

 

[Nezhul]

This particular issue is not really about Obama being a jerk and starting wars.

I think in this particular case, you should criticize Noble Committee first, and not Obama. After all, they gave him this award before he did ANYTHING substantial as a president. He basically talked a lot about how he will stop Iraq campaign and how he will warm up the relationship with Russia.

He talked. He didn't even have a time to DO shit. And they gave him the prize.
As if politicians don't always talk like that.

He got it a MONTH after he became a president, for fuck's sake.
Or was it for being a black-ass president? Laughable, really.

 

[Nezhul]

How many lives do you think it would have cost to invade and submit mainland Japan with conventional weapons and warfare?

So yea, just bomb the shit out of civillians. Who cares. They are not really human beings anyway. So it's saving lives, in the end.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So yea, just bomb the shit out of civillians.

That's war.

Yea it's ugly, but it's fucking effective.

Did you think war = warm fuzzies, puppy kisses and fairness for all or some shit?

Who cares.

The people with a vested interest in bringing the fastest victory with the least amount of bloodshed possible.

That's should ALWAYS be the objective once peaceful discourse is no longer possible.

If it's not, the war is most likely a money based scam and not a national security imperative.

They are not really human beings anyway.

Them or us, would you rather we have surrendered?

So it's saving lives, in the end.

More than likely yes, by a significant margin.

The casualty estimates on a mainland Japan invasion were between 1.5-2 million US troops and 3-5 more years of war AT BEST. We really weren't doing that great against Japan, not in their back yard so getting a submission out of them by going over to their hood and kicking their ass wasn't even that likely to happen much less be a best case scenario. Every fight with them was a knock down drag out blood bath and we were rather desperate to end the shit, so we wiped a couple cities off the map and the message was clear. They knew we would kill every fucking one of them if they didn't surrender. And it worked.

 

[Duncan113]

Russians.

Before you go, Obama: 'Has any other Nobel Peace prize winner dropped 100k bombs?'
https://www.rt.com/usa/374292-obama-bomb-nobel-peace-prize/

"On President Barack Obama's last day in office, the legacy of the first president to win a Nobel Peace Prize so early in office is weighed against his becoming the first president to bomb several countries over eight years."

The funny thing about that is he was awarded the Peace Prize like ten minutes after he became President. He hadn't even done anything yet. Sums up his presidency very well: symbolism and facade, no accomplishments needed.

 

[Bray123]

Surely the obvious answer is Henry Kissinger?

 

[angelique127]

Too bad he didn't drop any bombs on any live targets...wasted in the desert