carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae
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Wonderful. Just frickin' great.
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There's a reason we have an immune system. Give your body the nutrition it needs and you won't need the drugs. But there's no money in vitamins.
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What is the reason?
“I do not cling to life sufficiently to fear death.”
― Alexandre Dumas
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Actually, there's LOTS of money in vitamins. It's a major sub-industry of the same pharmaceutical industry that brings us the antibiotics, in fact. They don't care which approach you take. They've got it covered both ways.
There is truth in what you say, but even the most healthy can be taken down by the bug Ms_Ann described. Break your leg. End up in hospital post-op. Now you're in bad-bug city. It really is scary stuff.
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I don't believe we'd be in this situation if people didn't rely so heavily on drugs to fix all their ills. It's so much easier to just pop a pill than eat properly. I think a lack of food containing probiotics in our diets contributes even further. One of the first questions a doctor should be asking is "What are you eating?"
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Or to get the fuck off ones ass and do some PT every day.
I've had several people in my life who's "I dunno what happened?" moment could be explained with "You eat like shit and haven't exercised since high school.".
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It's not so much, any longer, how healthy one eats, but that as others have said, the over-prescribing of antibiotics for anything and everything. Because many people don't take them properly (i.e. finish the entire prescription), those bugs which aren't killed have now evolved to become more or less immune to that drug at that dosage.
Personally I think it's a good thing this has happened. Once people realize there is nothing to help them if they get this infection there are two main outcomes: people will take better care of themselves so they don't get infected, and those that don't will die off.
There are over 7 billion people on this planet. We can afford to lose a few.
Personally I think it's a good thing this has happened. Once people realize there is nothing to help them if they get this infection there are two main outcomes: people will take better care of themselves so they don't get infected, and those that don't will die off.
There are over 7 billion people on this planet. We can afford to lose a few.
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Which ones?
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The ones who contract the antibiotic resistant germs.
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Value this time in your life, kids. This is the time in your life when you have choices. It goes by so fast. When you are a teenager, you think that you can do anything, and you do. Your twenties are a blur. In your thirties you make a little money, raise a family, and wonder, ‘What happened to my twenties?' In your forties, you grow a pot belly and another chin. The music starts to get too loud and one of your old girlfriends becomes a grandmother. In your fifties, you have a minor surgery - you call it a ‘procedure.' In your sixties, you have a major surgery and the music is still loud but that doesn't matter because you can no longer hear it. In your seventies, you and the wife move to Florida and you start having dinner at 2 in the afternoon, lunch at 10 in the morning, and breakfast the night before. You spend most of your time wandering around malls looking for the ultimate low-fat yogurt and muttering, ‘How come the kids don't call?' In your eighties you have a major stroke and end up babbling to a Jamaican nurse whom your wife can't stand, but who you end up calling, ‘Momma.'"
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Drug-resistant 'nightmare bacteria' show worrisome ability to diversify and spread
Researchers examined carbapenem resistant Enterobacteriaceae (CRE) causing disease in four U.S. hospitals. They found a wide variety of CRE species. They also found a wide variety of genetic traits enabling CRE to resist antibiotics, and found that these traits are transferring easily among various CRE species. The findings suggest that CRE is more widespread than previously thought, that it may well be transmitting from person to person asymptomatically, and that genomic surveillance of these dangerous bacteria should be increased.
Researchers examined carbapenem resistant Enterobacteriaceae (CRE) causing disease in four U.S. hospitals. They found a wide variety of CRE species. They also found a wide variety of genetic traits enabling CRE to resist antibiotics, and found that these traits are transferring easily among various CRE species. The findings suggest that CRE is more widespread than previously thought, that it may well be transmitting from person to person asymptomatically, and that genomic surveillance of these dangerous bacteria should be increased.
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Kids should go outside and eat dirt. They should be allowed to pick their noses in private and eat whatever it is they feel compelled to eat that they find there. (Really - I had a pediatrician tell me that's the best way to ensure a healthy immune system. LOL.)
People need to stop wiping everything down in Clorox wipes and Lysol. I literally have seen people WIPE THEIR PERSONAL FURNITURE down with antibacterial wipes. OMG.
Antibacterial Windex (yes - there was such a thing) should never have been produced.
We are meant to get sick. That doesn't mean I don't believe in medicine - I'm an NP! - but we're not meant to pop pills for every problem. We're also not meant to live as "clean" as some germophobes seem to think. The over-antibacterialisation has done its damage. And I deal with people every day who get a sniffle or an ache and think that warrants an antibiotic. Uh, no, it doesn't. I spend half an appointment trying to explain how drugs and bugs work.
Typo, I don't think you're too far off the mark either.
There is another piece to this puzzle, though.
Even Fleming saw antibiotic resistance beginning in his lab not long after his monumental discovery of penicillin. He warned against bacterial resistance back then. He asked and advised for more research into better, more durable antibiotic sources...
....and because we thought we had the wonder drugs, it fell on deaf ears. Throw that fact in with the rest of the stuff we've talked about here, and you have a recipe for disaster.
We are in very real danger of being beaten. We're reaching the end of our antibiotic rope and the only thing at the end is a noose. No joke.
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OTOH without the use of antibiotics about a 1/4 billion people would already be dead. So...don't stop all those pills cold turkey.
OTOH without the use of antibiotics about a 1/4 billion people would already be dead. So...don't stop all those pills cold turkey.
Well no one said that, did they? And I said I'm an NP - I tell folks to vaccinate and go to the provider when they're sick. But only when they're sick - not when they have a simple cold and a temp 1/2 degree above normal. Go drink some fluids, take some paracetamol, and get on with your life. In most cases that's the answer. I can't do a thing for a cold except what you can do yourself - which is treat the symptoms. People get a severe stuffy nose and a headache and they think they're dying and that they need eighteen drugs to survive. They don't. They need fluids, probably an antipyretic for comfort, maybe a decongestant, and time.
My point was antibiotic resistance is not new. You only use antibiotics when you need them, not when you think you need them. A huge majority of day to day human ills are viral in nature - against which no antibiotic will ever be effective. Every sniffle does not need a pill. In fact, most don't.
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Your last sentence is probably my biggest medical pet peeve.
"Well I had some antibiotics left over from last time...."
Jesus.
