Jeff Sessions is not a social justice warrior ... but what is social justice?

[4est_4est_Gump]

If the frequency of the common day use of the term is dominated by perversion and abuse, the legitimacy of the term has been mortally compromised. Why do you think the perverted absconded with it?

That is where we largely are today with groups like Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter. It is why when someone wants to talk about 'social justice' to me, I am going to press the same question Botany Boy has been demanding: which SPECIFIC injustice do you wish to correct? Because even a dozen murderous racist cops do not warrant a social movement whose objective seems to be the indictment of organized law enforcement as a whole. Nor does a street long line of inside traders and embezzlers serve to indict the institution of free market capitalism and the regulated buying and selling of securities.

So you can worship your laudable definition of the phrase all you want. I'm far more concerned with the greater injustices which would all too often be persued under its banner.

It ain't that unlike Klan members who try to claim with a straight face, "We aren't anti-black. We're just pro-white." Uh, huh.

Can I be a witness?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Advances in social justice were obviously more apparent in older times. Votes for women, votes for blacks, legislation on working conditions are all examples of social justice being translated into legislation. Affirmative action laws to try reverse years of social injustice are another.

Conditions for the most part have to the point we are fine tuning social justice or perhaps picking nits. We also have to be on constant guard to ensure reversals do not occur due to the almighty dollar or the tyranny of the masses.

You missed his point or maybe his summation...

There was a time when the KKK was "social justice."

Complete with mob judge, jury and executioner (and it was an instrument of the Democratic Party) which just goes to show you how elastic is the term "social justice."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Not at all; mathematicians do it all the time.

Indeed...


Just how so?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Indeed...


Just how so?

An imaginary number is a complex number that can be written as a real number multiplied by the imaginary unit I, which is defined by its property i2 = −1. The square of an imaginary number bi is −b2. For example, 5i is an imaginary number, and its square is −25. Zero is considered to be both real and imaginary.

Was going to say zero as it has a very common usage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number

 

[KingOrfeo]

An imaginary number is a complex number that can be written as a real number multiplied by the imaginary unit I, which is defined by its property i2 = −1. The square of an imaginary number bi is −b2. For example, 5i is an imaginary number, and its square is −25. Zero is considered to be both real and imaginary.

Was going to say zero as it has a very common usage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number

Actually, any mathematical concept is a definition of something that does not exist. You have never in your life seen a circle -- you might have seen objects or images of circular shape, but that is not the same. Circles do not exist, triangles do not exist, numbers do not exist -- except as mathematical concepts.

And justice, whether legal or social, exists only in the sense that mathematical concepts exist.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Imaginary numbers fulfill a real and vital role; in this case imaginary is not a term implying what to means to the lay person.

Take Chaos Theory, for example.

It is not I. it is i.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Actually, just about any mathematical concept is a definition of something that does not exist. You have never in your life seen a circle -- you might have seen objects or images of circular shape, but that is not the same. Circles do not exist, triangles do not exist, numbers do not exist -- except as mathematical concepts.

And justice, whether legal or social, exists only in the sense that mathematical concepts exist.

Mathematics exists as the language of science.

I have seen a circle. It's called a 'wheel.'

I have seen a triangle. It is called a Dorito™.

A circle in philosophical terms is the ideal. Now the debate is does the ideal exist on a separate plane that we only access as shadows on a cave wall or in the constructs of our mind based upon observation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

PS - You just roved that mathematical terms can be defined with certainty, the certainty with which we cannot define "social justice."

 

[Hard_Rom]

Imaginary numbers fulfill a real and vital role; in this case imaginary is not a term implying what to means to the lay person.

Take Chaos Theory, for example.

It is not I. it is i.

The proper symbol doesn't c/p. Neither do the square figures. So not actually 'i'' either.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Quite apart from your admission of making a snarky comment about a post you didn't even read, what the holy fuck does the asinine perverted opinions of the (gratefully) dead Nixonian henchman John Ehrlichmann about his vile use of perfectly reasonable federal drug laws have to do with the rest of this thread?

If you want to make the argument that the selective enforcement of valid criminal drug laws can be and, in fact, was used to unfairly marginalize black people, then who am I to dispute John Ehrlichmann. May he rot in hell.

If, however, you want to try and extrapolate the fact that the non-selective enforcement of those same laws nonetheless resulted in a disproportionate racial make up of incarcerated drug felons skews toward minorities and therefore is itself prima facie evidence of social injustice engineered by the likes of John Ehrlichmann and others, I would tell you two things:

1. With respect to "engineering," you're largely full of shit. The "injustice" of social inequality, to the extent it is largely circumstantial does NOT qualify as an INJUSTICE, however, socially regrettable. The targeted activities of pricks like John Ehrlichmann are a totally different matter and fully deserve criminal sanctions and redress. The key to TRUE social justice is being able to tell the difference and apply the APPROPRIATE measures of correction to each cause. Most people, including you, are not particularly discriminating either in differentiating cause or applying affect.

2. The abuse of socially just criminal and administrative law statutes by corrupt politicians or enforcement agents does NOT invalidate those statutes or justify a disproportionate remedy that would disadvantage or infringe upon the rights and property of those who had no role in perpetuating the abuse. THAT is what SO MUCH of the debate concerning "social justice" revolves around, and the charge of callous disregard for the plight of the disenfranchised is more than matched by the callous disregard for the rights of those who would be charged with providing the full cost of reparations.

And despite your beliefs to the contrary, I am squarely on the sides of both groups of people.

It seems as if you have not read Erlichman's statement so here it is: "You want to know what this was really all about?" he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

Your continued attempt to deny that Nixon and Reagan's war on drugs was racially motivated is as pathetic as Trump's attempt to deny that he mocked the disability of a reporter.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The proper symbol doesn't c/p. Neither do the square figures. So not actually 'i'' either.

Yes it is.

Which one of us has the degree?

 

[Hard_Rom]

You will notice the 'i' in Moivre's is different than the 'i' in the equation. I believe there is a subtle difference.

http://www.mathwords.com/d/d_assets/d1.gif

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's hard to define something that doesn't exist.

It's rather challenging isn't it?

The Nazi party began as a nominal "socialist" organization and ended up fascist beyond anything ever seen to that point.

They were still socialist by every definition of the term.

Fascism is just nationalistic/pragmatic communism instead of bleeding heart bullshit communism. They function the exact same way, they both kill millions of people even though the communist body count blows the fascist out of the water...

 

[water505]

Indeed...


Just how so?

KO thinks people are impressed by his vast intellect. What a blowhard.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Have you no knowledge of standard texts?

Again. Is your degree in math or Google?

All you are doing now is talking out of ignorance trying to find examples that prove me wrong, but all you have discovered is a difference of font. That i only differs slightly from the i in sin...



... one might say only by dint of slight slant.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

KO thinks people are impressed by his vast intellect. What a blowhard.

I'm not going to go to that level. I am willing to hand him all the rope he needs.


It's the truly stoopids like FroDOH! that I go to a level they can understand.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's rather challenging isn't it?



They were still socialist by every definition of the term.

Fascism is just nationalistic/pragmatic communism instead of bleeding heart bullshit communism. They function the exact same way, they both kill millions of people even though the communist body count blows the fascist out of the water...

They're all the same thing. Different flavors of, 'You are not an individual with base selfish motives, but a member of a collective with a duty to noble self sacrifice.'

It is said that many walked voluntarily of the steps of the pyramid to have their hearts cut out to please the Gods...

 

[water505]

I'm not going to go to that level. I am willing to hand him all the rope he needs.


It's the truly stoopids like FroDOH! that I go to a level they can understand.

I really don't think there's much difference between them. When King told a poster they shouldn't call someone/something evil I LMAO.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Your continued attempt to deny that Nixon and Reagan's war on drugs was racially motivated is as pathetic as Trump's attempt to deny that he mocked the disability of a reporter.

He didn't try to deny that it was racially motivated.

I don't think anyone has.

What I am, is a civil rights activist primarily focused these days on criminal justice issues.

And the best you can come up with is 30+ year old shit that has little to no relevance to 2017?

LOL

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I really don't think there's much difference between them.

I've known both for years and yes there is a difference.

One gains his philosophy from his education and the other from pure pop culture.

From where we stand, it is hard to tell one from another without similar education.

The weekends at the college
Didn't turn out as you planned
The thinks that pass for knowledge
I can't understand...

 

[BotanyBoy]

They're all the same thing. Different flavors of, 'You are not an individual with base selfish motives, but a member of a collective with a duty to noble self sacrifice.'

It is said that many walked voluntarily of the steps of the pyramid to have their hearts cut out to please the Gods...

God...nation....party....class....race....any end big enough to justify the means.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_q0b01WwAAg8hy.jpg

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The True Believer, Eric Hopper

 

[water505]

I've known both for years and yes there is a difference.

One gains his philosophy from his education and the other from pure pop culture.

From where we stand, it is hard to tell one from another without similar education.

The weekends at the college
Didn't turn out as you planned
The thinks that pass for knowledge
I can't understand...

Both of them act as if people are hanging on their every word. What they think are profound revelations are really just mindless and random bullshit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Both of them act as if people are hanging on their every word. What they think are profound revelations are really just mindless and random bullshit.

People are hanging on my every word.

:nods:

I get dozens of This use is on ignore every time I post...

 

[LincolnDuncan]

He didn't try to deny that it was racially motivated.

I don't think anyone has.



And the best you can come up with is 30+ year old shit that has little to no relevance to 2017?

LOL

I get that you're opinionated but not particularly knowledgeable but do you understand that war was declared on a segment of The US population which no one has indicated is over?

When you send police into neighborhood and identify an enemy, they act like an invading army. The institutional racism is that someone in law enforcement sent the police into the hood instead of the campus. Please don' tell me that they are trying to keep black people from killing black people because we both know that society doesn't care about the welfare of black people.