To clarify the success of the Obamaconomy

[4est_4est_Gump]

You cite example of low, homogeneous populations with access to energy reserves.


The reply is North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and Puerto Rico...

 

[Hard_Rom]

You cite example of low, homogeneous populations with access to energy reserves.

The reply is North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and Puerto Rico...

If those are your examples then I suggest Americans have little to complain about. I'm sticking with comparative western democracies. Danes and Irish have little energy reserves. And Canada has an 'ethnic' population of just as big a percentage as the US. The US has vast energy reserves too.

And the remark about 'homogenous population' hints that poverty is a result of ethnicity and race not a social-economic one.

 

[OldJourno]

George Bush is probably responsible for far more deaths. How many died in Guatemala after the CIA backed coup to remove the democratically elected government in support of the United Fruit Company? Guatemala was thrown into a series of right wing dictatorships. It was the end of democracy in that country. Most historians agree those executed by Castro and the revolutionaries immediately after the revolution were guilty but due process was not followed. As long as Saddam Hussein was fighting Iran he had the full backing of the US. How many did he kill?

Che was radicalized by the UFC coup. Previously he had been a lefty doctor helping the poor. The CIA created Che Guevara.

There is enough blame to go around that almost any government leader can be held as a murderer. The US has supported many a right wing dictatorship.

Up here we may wring our hands over dictatorships yet sell arms to the Saudis to the tune of 50 billion dollars. We tip toe around Chinese human rights violations for the sake of trade. Mao killed more people than Hitler or Stalin. Stalin killed more than Hitler. Putin is an old school communist KGB man.

Would Castro's history stop American capitalist from flooding the country with US bucks to exploit cheap labour?

Suppose America had embraced Castro very early one. Could American investment in the economy have mitigated the worst parts about Cuba's Marxist policies?

He who is without sin cast the first stone, sort of thing.

And blah, blah, blah ...
Forgot to mention Obama (Captain Drone), but that's OK. Bush is a war criminal, but when Obama drone strikes a crowd it's all good.

 

[Hard_Rom]

And blah, blah, blah ...
Forgot to mention Obama (Captain Drone), but that's OK. Bush is a war criminal, but when Obama drone strikes a crowd it's all good.

It's not all good. But his kill rate pales in comparison to GW's.

 

[phrodeau]

And blah, blah, blah ...
Forgot to mention Obama (Captain Drone), but that's OK. Bush is a war criminal, but when Obama drone strikes a crowd it's all good.

Obama is continuing Bush's WOT, but instead of risking American lives, he's using drones for the dirty work.

If you want the WOT to stop, better have a word with Donald Trump about that.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Obama is continuing Bush's WOT, but instead of risking American lives, he's using drones for the dirty work.

If you want the WOT to stop, better have a word with Donald Trump about that.

Careful what you ask for. He may just do that. Pull all US troops out of foreign countries and leave the world to Russia and China to divide. Good excuse to slash military spending and make the books look better.

I suspect T-Rump is an isolationist.

 

[Conager]

I think the most misleading statistic used by those who suggest the last eight years helped the economy is the Unemployment Rate, supposedly now at 4.7%. The dirty little secret is this only counts those listed as actively seeking employment to qualify for unemployment benefits. It has almost nothing to do with how many people are or are not working.

The key fact is that the Labor Participation Rate under Pres. Obama hit the lowest its been since women started entering the workforce in high numbers in the 1970s. In other words, less people have jobs under Pres. Obama than at any time during the past two generations! Combine that fact with the fact that he is the first president in modern times not to ever have a year in which GDP grew by more than 2% shows what an economic disaster the last eight years have been.

The most glaring numbers are exactly what you point out: how few people work and how little the GDP has increased under Obama.

The response is that he actually created and millions and millions of jobs, something that technically no president really does or is responsible to do but his apologists are making the claim.

If that was true and "new" jobs are anything more than a reshuffling of the deck chairs on the malingering U.S.S. Obama- what is it that these "new" employees are being employed to do if the thing that they're doing has not increased the GDP substantially?

The number of people off the unemployment rolls and onto permananent "disability" is note-worthy as well.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Time to refudiate a couple of dumbasses

Ask those 45 million to live at the poverty level of most of the rest of the world...

Yes, because first-world poverty (relative poverty) should always be compared to third-world shithole poverty (absolute poverty) because it assuages teh Glibertarian mind.
Hurr Durr!

I think the most misleading statistic used by those who suggest the last eight years helped the economy is the Unemployment Rate, supposedly now at 4.7%. The dirty little secret is this only counts those listed as actively seeking employment to qualify for unemployment benefits. It has almost nothing to do with how many people are or are not working.

The key fact is that the Labor Participation Rate under Pres. Obama hit the lowest its been since women started entering the workforce in high numbers in the 1970s. In other words, less people have jobs under Pres. Obama than at any time during the past two generations! Combine that fact with the fact that he is the first president in modern times not to ever have a year in which GDP grew by more than 2% shows what an economic disaster the last eight years have been.

With the demise of the late unlamented Vettebigot, I had wondered which wingnut was proudly going to fly the "But....But... U-6! Labor Participation" flag in his absence.

As I have explained no less than five times in the past 3 years (To Ishmael, AJ, Ajax Prime, Rider81 and my sugar dumpling Bidin~Time), if you want to blame someone, Blame Hitler. Seriously.

...the decline is mostly attributable to that bastard, Adolf Hitler.
Seriously!
The birth dearth happened from 1941 to 1945, when God-fearing men fought the Hun in Europe.
The war ended, and American men came home and began breeding like rabbits, all the way until the pill hit the market in the early 1960s, but especially from 1946 to 1952.

Here's the problem with that: Just as America was beginning to pull out of the Great Bush Recession in 2010, the very first of those post-Hitler babies turned the magic age of 65 and qualified for full social security in January 2011.

Experts smarter than you, me, and even the Vetteman have calculated that fully one quarter of the "discouraged" workers (the Uncle Crackheads and Vettemans of the world) are due to the glut of the first baby boomers opting to be parasitical blights upon the American economy.

I know I used a lot of big words above, but I think you get my gist.

My understanding from reading the lastest two labor reports is that the economy is strong enough now that even folks previously not seeking work are now beginning to dip their toes back in the labor pool.

In any event, both U-3 ("regular") unemployment and U-6 ("regular plus discouraged") unemployment will cease to matter once Cheetoh Benito is installed as Reichprezident later this month. Full employment will once again be achieved overnight!

So, if you would, kindly take your "but...but...discouraged workers!" boilerplate, shine it up real good, turn it sideways, and stick it up your ass.

Hail Trump!
Hail Victory!

 

[KingOrfeo]

When are you people actually going to show some interest in ADDRESSING the systemic rot that's so often talked about in such a mean-spirited manner?

Well, what would that take?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Careful what you ask for. He may just do that. Pull all US troops out of foreign countries and leave the world to Russia and China to divide. Good excuse to slash military spending and make the books look better.

I suspect T-Rump is an isolationist.

Then why does he want all those generals in his cabinet?

 

[Hard_Rom]

The baby boom was in effect an economic bubble. And it is now bursting. The euphoria of the war's end, the technology developed during the war and the economic stimulus of rebuilding were the reason for the boom. Now all we have are technology breakthroughs to stimulate the economy and in some countries increased population through immigration. At the expense of other countries. Aging infrastructure and population are drags on economic growth. Infrastructure projects are Band-Aids and short term.

Consumer driven capitalism needs population growth. The heyday of American expansion had birth rates that beat sub-Saharan African ones. That is why Germany has opened it's doors to immigrants. As long as they can be assimilated Germany stands to gain a large population increase of consumers and tax payers.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Then why does he want all those generals in his cabinet?

Cuts easier to swallow if delivered by ex-military types. Better them than some hippy peacenik.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Well, what would that take?

Four years of Donald Trump. Hopefully. Things always get worse before they get better.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Then why does he want all those generals in his cabinet?

He wants General Micheal Flynn, I believe, solely because Obama sacked him.

Flynn by all accounts was a master tactician on the battlefield, perhaps the best "on the ground" since Patton. Give him his due, there.

The trouble arose when he got his third star, which elevated him to the rarified stratus of strategy. That's where the wheels fell off his career bus. He was a disaster at logistics and planning. The top brass tried to cover their mistake by shipping him off to be one of the service academy commandants. He started agitating for a "Christian Military", i.e. Muslims 'n Jews not welcome to wear the uniform. He was sacked for his comments, and rightfully so.

Patton never made it past division commander, Flynn should have been kept at that level as well.

Flynn now wants to hasten Jesus' return to the world and does everything he can to speed up the Rapture. His long term plan is to have Israel start as many conflicts as possible, which would in turn force a major was in the Middle East. The USA would be honor-bound to nuke Israel's enemies, which would complete the prophecies in the Book of Revelations and bring Jesus back.

With a major policy position, he is uniquely situated to bring about his dream of the End of the World.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Military types may have more of a grasp of Sun Tzu's Art of War as it applies to the political field. War is a projection of force. And war is an extension of politics by other means. A good general is a good administrator and leader.

 

[sethp]

6.271e-7 %.

Not very large relatively.

You miss the point. It's people thriving across the entire country in wildly diverse states. For most people in the US, the economy is good.

Two things to remember are the world recession that Obama inherited...and manufacturing and fossil fuel jobs are going to decline no matter how good the economy is. That's just the new reality.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I've had a pretty good eight years.

I suspect that those complaining about the government of the past eight years, are those most reliant on it.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I've had a pretty good eight years.

I suspect that those complaining about the government of the past eight years, are those most reliant on it.

I think that is a bit of a stretch. More likely just extremely biased and close minded.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's ok.

Would be a lot better if the government didn't incur such high costs upon me and tax my nuts off.

Bout to put an end to that shit though

 

[Greypowerful]

Well, what would that take?

I remember well when the US Legislators leaned Right or Left issue-specifically. The ability to pass legislation in a bipartisan manner beat our Parliamentary democracy's efficiency, hands down!

The Hill was ALL about "the art of the deal". Reagan & the neocons kinda screwed THAT up...
The attitudes of such luminaries as McConnell and Pelosi have to be booted into oblivion for the Republic to function again.

Compromise is NOT a sin. The rest of the Western democracies practice it daily.

Like the ACA, that's far from a perfect concept, but at least,it'd be a start!

 

[OldJourno]

I remember we ran a story with a picture of about six or seven guys who had jobs in the new, green economy of 2009. They had just completed a two-week course (two weeks!) on weather-stripping and were now prepared to go out and make their millions.
That was almost as impressive as the well-to-do couple who cashed in on a government program and got new, very expensive energy-efficient windows with more than half of it paid for by you and me.

 

[Conager]

You miss the point. It's people thriving across the entire country in wildly diverse states. For most people in the US, the economy is good.

Two things to remember are the world recession that Obama inherited...and manufacturing and fossil fuel jobs are going to decline no matter how good the economy is. That's just the new reality.

Reagan was not whining about the economy he inherited 7 years and 11 months later.

We get it. Progessive policies and these mythical green energy economy jobs require more than 8 years to show any benefit.

The country lost patience. Sorry. It's not you, it's totally us.

 

[Greypowerful]

Trust me, not ONE of Y'all will change an opinion on my say-so...

I just shake my head when I see such rock-solid "positions" on any point of politics.

We live Next door to one another- similar on the surface, but fundementally DIFFERENT in operation.

Thank Goodness!

 

[Hard_Rom]

Solar energy provides more employment in the US than coal does.

 

[Conager]

Solar energy provides more employment in the US than coal does.

What incentives are the federal state and local governments providing for you to install coal-fired equipment in your home business or power plant?