To clarify the success of the Obamaconomy

[Ms_Ann]

Investing in a third world dictatorship is always a good idea.

 

[Greypowerful]

Investing in a third world dictatorship is always a good idea.

Yup. Many American fortunes have been built upon that foundation...

 

[OldJourno]

Fidel was a pall bearer at Pierre's funeral.

That's a sad commentary right there. Castro was responsible for thousands of deaths after the "revolution." He even pulled the trigger a few times.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Don't take this as my being for socialist managed economies. Government has some role in managing economies but like most things extreme solutions usually have their own issues. Capitalist economies are very efficient and competition keeps prices down.

But don't complain when corporations go to lesser-developed countries searching for lower labour costs. Their profits are funneled into many retirement plans. Major stakeholders are typically mutual funds and retirement plan managers. And don't blame it on any one man. The Canada/US Free Trade agreement was negotiated by Ronal Reagan and Brian Mulroney. Conservative politicians. Many conservative politicians are capitalist free traders and like globalized free trade.

Much of this is driven by want not need. We want big screen TVs and 8-cylinder trucks. We don't need them. If folk lived simpler lives they could get by on a lot less, need lower salaries and keep jobs in our own countries. Fiscal austerity is not just for governments. the people should act in a similar fashion.

Socialist policies are best kept in health, welfare (including old age pensions and child benefits) and education. Let capitalism for the most part run the economy and siphon off the profits via taxation to support social programs.

Therein lies the problem. Everyone has a different definition of "some." Even worse, "some" is a moving target always tending towards one some of Socialism or another.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Investing in a third world dictatorship is always a good idea.

lol...

 

[Hard_Rom]

Governments make trade deals that allow exports to flourish and impose tariffs to protect homegrown industries. They impose taxation to fund things like armed forces and municipal services. Hard to get away from government involvement with the economy. Can't really privatize a standing army. It's a balancing act.

Without some socialist policies you have the poor begging in the streets. There has always been the poor and always will be. Capitalism works best with a low percentage of unemployed. Old age pensions are socialist. Orphans can't be left to starve. Falling church attendance is a separate issue. Churches cannot afford to shoulder the burden of social programs. Who cares for invalids and mentally challenged. These things cost money. Socialism need not be a dirty word. Neither does capitalism.

Those countries rated as best to live in typically have high levels of socialism. The worst have zero social policies and starvation. The middle road is the best way.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let the poor beg on the doorsteps of the Church and on the porches of the bleeding hearts..


You will end up with fewer "poor" and fewer por favor?"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Those countries rated as best to live in typically have high levels of socialism. The worst have zero social policies and starvation. The middle road is the best way."

Those ratings are devised by Socialists to support Socialism.

As long as you are free to choose a restaurant they control and select from a menu they approve of, that is declared as "liberty..."

 

[Ms_Ann]

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

Deuteronomy 15:11

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

Deuteronomy 15:11

Is that anything like Uranium 2:35?

 

[OldJourno]

Is that anything like Uranium 2:35?

Gump's on a roll.

 

[EmpressJosephine]

Alan Krueger, Princeton economist and former chairman of Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, just released a study with fellow Princeton economist Lawrence Katz.
They report that 94 percent of all new jobs created under Obama were part-time. In essence, Obama created an economy good only for illegal aliens. Obama’s Labor Department reported that employment gains for women over the past decade benefited mostly “foreign born women.”
Obama’s Labor Department showed that women gained 1 million net jobs in the past decade, but “native born women” experienced net job losses.

I think the most misleading statistic used by those who suggest the last eight years helped the economy is the Unemployment Rate, supposedly now at 4.7%. The dirty little secret is this only counts those listed as actively seeking employment to qualify for unemployment benefits. It has almost nothing to do with how many people are or are not working.

The key fact is that the Labor Participation Rate under Pres. Obama hit the lowest its been since women started entering the workforce in high numbers in the 1970s. In other words, less people have jobs under Pres. Obama than at any time during the past two generations! Combine that fact with the fact that he is the first president in modern times not to ever have a year in which GDP grew by more than 2% shows what an economic disaster the last eight years have been.

 

[Ms_Ann]

Gump's on a roll.

A big fatty.

 

[Ms_Ann]

I think the most misleading statistic used by those who suggest the last eight years helped the economy is the Unemployment Rate, supposedly now at 4.7%. The dirty little secret is this only counts those listed as actively seeking employment to qualify for unemployment benefits. It has almost nothing to do with how many people are or are not working.

The key fact is that the Labor Participation Rate under Pres. Obama hit the lowest its been since women started entering the workforce in high numbers in the 1970s. In other words, less people have jobs under Pres. Obama than at any time during the past two generations! Combine that fact with the fact that he is the first president in modern times not to ever have a year in which GDP grew by more than 2% shows what an economic disaster the last eight years have been.

It's only a secret to the brain dead.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I haven't smoked a fatty in years...




Maybe for my birthday.

 

[sethp]

Ok so there is a lot of propaganda on both sides of this issue. How do you find the truth?

Experience. I've never had it so good...family jobs, business, healthcare, motorcycles, big house, cash. It's a great economy.

 

[Ms_Ann]

Ok so there is a lot of propaganda on both sides of this issue. How do you find the truth?

Experience. I've never had it so good...family jobs, business, healthcare, motorcycles, big house, cash. It's a great economy.

I personally know 200 people that were downsized.

 

[Hard_Rom]

That's a sad commentary right there. Castro was responsible for thousands of deaths after the "revolution." He even pulled the trigger a few times.

George Bush is probably responsible for far more deaths. How many died in Guatemala after the CIA backed coup to remove the democratically elected government in support of the United Fruit Company? Guatemala was thrown into a series of right wing dictatorships. It was the end of democracy in that country. Most historians agree those executed by Castro and the revolutionaries immediately after the revolution were guilty but due process was not followed. As long as Saddam Hussein was fighting Iran he had the full backing of the US. How many did he kill?

Che was radicalized by the UFC coup. Previously he had been a lefty doctor helping the poor. The CIA created Che Guevara.

There is enough blame to go around that almost any government leader can be held as a murderer. The US has supported many a right wing dictatorship.

Up here we may wring our hands over dictatorships yet sell arms to the Saudis to the tune of 50 billion dollars. We tip toe around Chinese human rights violations for the sake of trade. Mao killed more people than Hitler or Stalin. Stalin killed more than Hitler. Putin is an old school communist KGB man.

Would Castro's history stop American capitalist from flooding the country with US bucks to exploit cheap labour?

Suppose America had embraced Castro very early one. Could American investment in the economy have mitigated the worst parts about Cuba's Marxist policies?

He who is without sin cast the first stone, sort of thing.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ok so there is a lot of propaganda on both sides of this issue. How do you find the truth?

Experience. I've never had it so good...family jobs, business, healthcare, motorcycles, big house, cash. It's a great economy.

Yes, that is a common theme. If it's working for me, how can it not be working for you?

Well ask the coal miners who were told to their faces, we're going to put you out of business...

Ask the person who lost a job prior to Obamacare only to find that the party that was supposed to correct the "mistakes" of the Bush Administration and General Republican Philosophy was more focused on nationalizing healthcare and creating a new paradigm of part-time jobs that they were on creating a robust economy. In fact, we were told that Obamacare would, of and in of itself, create said booming economy...

Do you lack empathy for others?

 

[sethp]

I personally know 200 people that were downsized.

That's just it though. It really just depends on your location, but most areas of the us are thriving.

 

[Ms_Ann]

That's just it though. It really just depends on your location, but most areas of the us are thriving.

Just as my understanding is of a limited geographical location, I reckon yours is t oh oh.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Let the poor beg on the doorsteps of the Church and on the porches of the bleeding hearts..

You will end up with fewer "poor" and fewer por favor?"

That's just plain inhumane! 45 million Americans live below the poverty line. That's enough to elect any president or politician who panders to their needs. Enough to overwhelm the US Army if organized.

"Those countries rated as best to live in typically have high levels of socialism. The worst have zero social policies and starvation. The middle road is the best way."

Those ratings are devised by Socialists to support Socialism.

As long as you are free to choose a restaurant they control and select from a menu they approve of, that is declared as "liberty..."

Tell that to the Danes, Swedes, Irish, Canadians, and Dutch!

We are not talking about full blown communism here. We are talking about modern socialist democracies and social democracies.

 

[sethp]

Just as my understanding is of a limited geographical location, I reckon yours is t oh oh.

Perhaps but everyone I know in Florida, Nevada, California, Maryland, Oregon and Washington is thriving...hundreds of friends and family. Also Arizona and Utah...that's a pretty large diverse cross section of the USA?

 

[Ms_Ann]

Perhaps but everyone I know in Florida, Nevada, California, Maryland, Oregon and Washington is thriving...hundreds of friends and family. Also Arizona and Utah...that's a pretty large diverse cross section of the USA?

6.271e-7 %.

Not very large relatively.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That's just plain inhumane! 45 million Americans live below the poverty line. That's enough to elect any president or politician who panders to their needs. Enough to overwhelm the US Army if organized.



Tell that to the Danes, Swedes, Irish, Canadians, and Dutch!

We are not talking about full blown communism here. We are talking about modern socialist democracies and social democracies.

Ask those 45 million to live at the poverty level of most of the rest of the world...





Yes, we are talking about an idea that is bleeding the West dry and slowly grinding all progress to a halt. If you tell the poor, you do not have to even try to take care of yourself, then that is a self-fulfillig prophecy.