The Greatest Scientic Fraud of All Time

[Ms_Ann]

You said global warming is a myth and a scam, but you have no evidence of that.

The global surface temperature records show a substantial increase in recent decades. If global warming isn't real, there needs to be a hiatus and a decrease in those temperature records. Go fetch.

Decades...lol.

 

[phrodeau]

Decades...lol.

Go and find some images to post.

 

[trysail]

How To Tell Who's Lying To You (Climate Science Edition)
by Francis Menton
"The Manhattan Contrarian"

Scott Adams -- known, among other things, as the cartoonist behind the Dilbert series -- has an excellent blog on which he posts something thoughtful nearly every day. His particular interest is in the arts of persuasion. Recently he has dipped his toe into the subject of "climate science," with a focus on the apparent inability of partisans on either side of the debate ever to convince a single person to come over from the other side. Now, suppose you come to this debate with no scientific expertise and no ax to grind for either side. The debate has very significant public policy implications, and understanding it is important to being an informed voter. How are you to supposed to evaluate the arguments and come to a view? Adams comments:

My bottom-line belief about climate science is that non-scientists such as myself have no reliable way to evaluate any of this stuff. Our brains and experience are not up to the task. When I apply my tiny brain to sniffing out the truth about climate science I see rock-solid arguments on both sides of the debate.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Adams on this one. If you are a reasonably intelligent person, and you are willing to spend a few hours on an issue, there is a very workable method to discern which side of a debate is not playing straight with you. This method is the same method generally used by judges and juries in deciding which side is going to win a trial. The method is this: look to which side has and provides the best answers to the hard questions posed by the other side. If one side refuses to answer hard questions, or is evasive, or refuses to provide the underlying methodology by which it came up with its answers, then that side has a problem. And rightfully so.

I'll give just a few examples of this phenomenon relevant to the climate change issue...



Read the rest here:

http://manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2016/12/22/how-to-tell-whos-lying-to-you-climate-science-edition

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[water505]

You said global warming is a myth and a scam, but you have no evidence of that.
h.

Frodough, the Endless Loop of Stupid.

 

[about_average]

Bullshit.

The material is not copyrighted. It is in the public domain. It's a fucking blog ferchrissakes. Copyright law does not apply.

Beyond that, the quotation was a goddamn comment ( https://judithcurry.com/2017/01/03/jc-in-transition/#comment-833254 ) on a blog.

You really are a sleazebag.

You really should take some time from all your C&P of other's work and educate yourself.

One, of several myths about copyright and the internet

"If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted."
This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follow the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

It is not necessary to have a notice of copyright (i.e.: © 1997 Jane Doe) for material to be copyright protected in the U.S. Once something tangible is produced, text, graphics, music, video, etc., it is automatically copyrighted. Sound recordings and some other property use other copyright symbols. Anyone can use the copyright symbol on her or his original work.

https://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm

Many works on the Internet are available for public use. However, the author of the work must have explicitly granted it to public domain. If a work is in public domain, granted by saying "I grant this to the public domain,"

https://webcache.googleusercontent....ducation/copyright/+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



You probably want to be a little less hasty to call someone else a sleazebag, considering you're

Ignoring the Rule Of Law

Though I suppose you can continue to ignore the law, and reality, and whine when you're held accountable.

 

[Lancecastor]

The Internet was designed for and is at its best when it is used to deliver text.

The GB was designed for and is at its best when it is used to deliver original thoughts from individual users.

The purest GB Discussions would involve nothing but original thoughts from users in text format.

To the extent that any poster comes to rely upon the words or images of others over its own words, that poster is deficient and of decreased value to the GB.

I don't need Trysail's charts and graphs, nor do I need zumi's puerile garbage.

That stuff is all lipstick on a pig and reflects only the emptiness of their heads.

Rule 3 exists, it seems, to trim the branches. And rightly so.

Posters who need crutches should get with the program or stay in the blurt thread.

 

[trysail]

idiotic nonsense

Thank you for demonstrating your complete lack of reading comprehension and ignorance of the law.


You obviously don't understand this stuff.

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[BattlingSoul]

How bogus. Wu Ding has more secular documentation, and he lived 1,200 years before Jesus.

BTW, you do realize Tolkien was a Christian...grin.

 

[trysail]

So, you think the historic global temperature records are reliable?

Here's how the temperature records for the ocean (remember, that's 70% of the earth's surface) were compiled.



ERI= Engine room intake
Bucket= (literally) throwing a canvas bucket overboard (I swear to god, I'm not making this up)

https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/figure-2.png
Source: Hadley Centre, Climate Research Unit
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadsst3/part_1_figinline.pdf


They haven't got a frickin' clue whether global temperatures are warmer or not.



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[phrodeau]

So, you think the historic global temperature records are reliable?

Here's how the temperature records for the ocean (remember, that's 70% of the earth's surface) were compiled.



ERI= Engine room intake
Bucket= (literally) throwing a canvas bucket overboard (I swear to god, I'm not making this up)

https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/figure-2.png
Source: Hadley Centre, Climate Research Unit
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadsst3/part_1_figinline.pdf


They haven't got a frickin' clue whether global temperatures are warmer or not.



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No scientist would rely solely on those records. That's why they compile tree-ring, ice-core, glacier-topology and crop-yield records to confirm the temperature record.

Why don't you know about this stuff?

 

[Lancecastor]

I guess what Trysail is saying is Scientists haven't figured out how to balance the trends and factor in the differences from the data sources.

Scientists confused = no climate change.

It's very simple....how come Phrodeau can't figure it out?

 

[JohnnySavage]

I guess what Trysail is saying is Scientists haven't figured out how to balance the trends and factor in the differences from the data sources.

Scientists confused = no climate change.

It's very simple....how come Phrodeau can't figure it out?

Well thanks be to the Baby Jesus that a man of his education and intellect is here to solve this thorny issue.

 

[trysail]

No scientist would rely solely on those records. That's why they compile tree-ring, ice-core, glacier-topology and crop-yield records to confirm the temperature record.

Why don't you know about this stuff?

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, you don't even know how the frickin' temperature records are compiled and calculated.

Do you know what GISS is ?

Do you know what HadCRUT is ?

Do you know where any of this stuff comes from ?

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[Ishmael]

What is particularly sleazy about this is the FACT that the quotation is from a COMMENT made by Dr. Curry appearing on her website. Quoting a comment from a NON-COPYRIGHTED blog is clearly not a violation of anything. A link was given to the comment ( https://judithcurry.com/2017/01/03/jc-in-transition/#comment-833254 ).

There are sleazeballs at work.

My post should not have been deleted. Whoever did it, didn't do their homework and, obviously, fell victim to porky-pies originating with those who intend to suppress facts.


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More than a few are abysmally IGNORANT around here. I got banned for referencing a cartoon character. Dumb shits.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Well thanks be to the Baby Jesus that a man of his education and intellect is here to solve this thorny issue.

I see climate change as a chess piece in the movement towards global economic parity.

My argument against global economic parity is that it reduces the standard of living in north america.

I think the standard of living in the savage regions can be increased without messing with my chi.

Plus, I have no problem with Canada becoming a few degrees warmer.

 

[Ishmael]

So, you think the historic global temperature records are reliable?

Here's how the temperature records for the ocean (remember, that's 70% of the earth's surface) were compiled.



ERI= Engine room intake
Bucket= (literally) throwing a canvas bucket overboard (I swear to god, I'm not making this up)

https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/figure-2.png
Source: Hadley Centre, Climate Research Unit
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadsst3/part_1_figinline.pdf


They haven't got a frickin' clue whether global temperatures are warmer or not.



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And that doesn't even include the ARGOS series. An experiment designed to absolutely PROVE the oceans were warming. Unfortunately the data set proved just the opposite, the oceans are cooling. And the last I read they are trying to apply the same "Finnegan's Finagling Factor" to those data sets that they have been to the surface measurements.

Apparently there is no level low enough for these prostitutes with advanced degrees.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, you don't even know how the frickin' temperature records are compiled and calculated.

Do you know what GISS is ?

Do you know what HadCRUT is ?

Do you know where any of this stuff comes from ?

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Why should I tell you? Look it up for yourself.

 

[Lancecastor]

An as yet unexplained sealife mass kill in the Gulf of Maine over the past few weeks includes herring, lobster, starfish and a whale...and that's just the dead critters that are washing up in bulk.

https://i.cbc.ca/1.3913269.1482852251!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/starfish-near-savary-park.jpg

Almost certainly temperature related, possibly a mass inversion in a post el nino long autumn....but the more interesting fact is that sea bottom temperatures are up by about 3 degrees and have been since 2012.

Speculation suggests the Gulf Stream is shifting, thereby shifting the Labrador Current, thereby warming the Gulf of Maine.

I personally think it's more el nino cyclical than man made.

 

[sethp]

So, you think the historic global temperature records are reliable?

Here's how the temperature records for the ocean (remember, that's 70% of the earth's surface) were compiled.



ERI= Engine room intake
Bucket= (literally) throwing a canvas bucket overboard (I swear to god, I'm not making this up)

https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/figure-2.png
Source: Hadley Centre, Climate Research Unit
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadsst3/part_1_figinline.pdf


They haven't got a frickin' clue whether global temperatures are warmer or not.



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But we do. For example Vegas keeps breaking temperature records. Every year. They don't get that information from NASA. We know that earth is in an excelerated warming cycle.

 

[Ishmael]

But we do. For example Vegas keeps breaking temperature records. Every year. They don't get that information from NASA. We know that earth is in an excelerated warming cycle.

Bulldoze the fucking place over, dump all the rubble in the Grand Canyon, then set up a temperature monitoring station. Bet ya the daily average drops like a rock.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

The earth is definitely warming, because snow melts very quickly on the streets of downtown Toronto.

 

[Conager]

No scientist would rely solely on those records. That's why they compile tree-ring, ice-core, glacier-topology and crop-yield records to confirm the temperature record.

Why don't you know about this stuff?

I patiently explained to you the areas of study that you need to apply yourself to understand this stuff. Why is it that you still don't know why it is that homogenizing all those records will not yield a level of accuracy of tenths of a degree especially when we're talking over geologic time?

 

[Conager]

Bulldoze the fucking place over, dump all the rubble in the Grand Canyon, then set up a temperature monitoring station. Bet ya the daily average drops like a rock.

Ishmael

Same people that don't get that irrigated Farmland is 10 degrees cooler then asphalt

 

[Ishmael]

The earth is definitely warming, because snow melts very quickly on the streets of downtown Toronto.

I'm watching last nights snow melt before my very eyes. PROOF!!!!!

Ishmael

 

[Conager]

I'm watching last nights snow melt before my very eyes. PROOF!!!!!

Ishmael

These localized anecdotal data points are so far off the charts from the what is even being claimed by alarmists it's silly. As if you could actually measure climate change in a lifetime the current claim is 2/10 of a degree over the course of a decade that has nothing to do with any record temperature that anyone wants to throw out there