Extreme pain and blood play

[song_bird]

I'm not quite sure what I'm asking..Other than expressing curiosity and tentative interest in extreme pain and blood play. Anyone have credible resources or information? Please let me know if this post is not appropriate. I just needed to start somewhere. Thank you!

 

[song_bird]

Update: I found some great info in the BDSM library. My apologies for not checking first. Still, any other resources or personal experiences or recommendations would be nifty.

 

[Username_of_Sean]

I would recommend finding your local BDSM scene and using that to find classes to learn both safety and technique. I've taken a few of these classes. It's not all that difficult, but it's better to see visually and be able to ask direct questions than to try to get the information from some form of text, or a pre-made video.

 

[song_bird]

I would recommend finding your local BDSM scene and using that to find classes to learn both safety and technique. I've taken a few of these classes. It's not all that difficult, but it's better to see visually and be able to ask direct questions than to try to get the information from some form of text, or a pre-made video.

Oh, absolutely. I just created a FetLife account and joined a few groups.

 

[song_bird]

I would recommend finding your local BDSM scene and using that to find classes to learn both safety and technique. I've taken a few of these classes. It's not all that difficult, but it's better to see visually and be able to ask direct questions than to try to get the information from some form of text, or a pre-made video.

Of course, there is something comforting and safe about being able to ask and share thoughts anonymously with such an intimate subject

 

[Dribble]

Of course, there is something comforting and safe about being able to ask and share thoughts anonymously with such an intimate subject

The problem is this subject matter has potential to go very wrong. Is that worth the anonymity? Here...let me say this and take the flack (i dont give a shit)....there are too many posers and people thinking they know more than they do. I would want to know who i am getting information from.

 

[Username_of_Sean]

I would add to take classes from multiple different instructors as well. I took two before I started my first bloodplay scene, and I've taken more advanced bloodplay classes since then.

Anonymity can be important... Having your boss find out, for example, might not go well, depending on your profession... But at kink events, everyone there is into stuff, and they want their anonymity as well. If you meet someone from a kink event outside of the kink world, you treat them like a new person you've never met before. The same usually goes for the reverse. That's why people use scene names.

If someone is "Sarah" in real life, but "Amanda" at kink events, then you treat Sarah and Amanda as two completely separate people and assume they've never met one another. This is as much for your own protection as it is for hers, and is a very common rule in the kink community.

This means that anonymity is not something you really need to be concerned about with this.

The things you should be the most concerned about with bloodplay are the risk of infection, the locations of the major arteries, bloodborne pathogens, and scarring. That's enough to worry about already, and each can realistically be its own entire class.

 

[song_bird]

The problem is this subject matter has potential to go very wrong. Is that worth the anonymity? Here...let me say this and take the flack (i dont give a shit)....there are too many posers and people thinking they know more than they do. I would want to know who i am getting information from.

I appreciate your feedback and definitely take what people say here and other places with a grain of salt. I've been burned before. I'm curious about this type of play, as I've never really been exposed to it before. It's so very taboo. Would I even really like it? I like doing things for others, even if I don't want to do them. Is this a boundary for me? I have so many questions and thought this would at least be a place to start.

 

[song_bird]

I would add to take classes from multiple different instructors as well. I took two before I started my first bloodplay scene, and I've taken more advanced bloodplay classes since then.

Anonymity can be important... Having your boss find out, for example, might not go well, depending on your profession... But at kink events, everyone there is into stuff, and they want their anonymity as well. If you meet someone from a kink event outside of the kink world, you treat them like a new person you've never met before. The same usually goes for the reverse. That's why people use scene names.

If someone is "Sarah" in real life, but "Amanda" at kink events, then you treat Sarah and Amanda as two completely separate people and assume they've never met one another. This is as much for your own protection as it is for hers, and is a very common rule in the kink community.

This means that anonymity is not something you really need to be concerned about with this.

The things you should be the most concerned about with bloodplay are the risk of infection, the locations of the major arteries, bloodborne pathogens, and scarring. That's enough to worry about already, and each can realistically be its own entire class.

If there can be a community that is safe to play, ask questions, and explore, then I am eager to find it. To trust such an establishment is still very tricky.. wouldn't it be so very easy to be branded as liking something just by inquiring about it? People are fallible, even if ideals and expectations of trust and anonymity are high.

 

[song_bird]

The things you should be the most concerned about with bloodplay are the risk of infection, the locations of the major arteries, bloodborne pathogens, and scarring. That's enough to worry about already, and each can realistically be its own entire class.

I'm very afraid of these problems and want to know if it's even possible to play safely? I'm not wholly ignorant of bloodborne pathogens and exchanges of bodily fluids, being a child of the nineties, I've been educated just enough to be surprised that I have any level of interest at all!

 

[Username_of_Sean]

If there can be a community that is safe to play, ask questions, and explore, then I am eager to find it. To trust such an establishment is still very tricky.. wouldn't it be so very easy to be branded as liking something just by inquiring about it? People are fallible, even if ideals and expectations of trust and anonymity are high.

People might assume you're into something that you ask about... but in the various kink communities I've been in, the only such fetish that seems to put people off like that is scat.

I'm into roleplaying cannibalistic fantasies (offline). This fact is why most of my writings aren't on this site. Others in the community are either into this as well, and we might discuss it or do a scene or whatever, or they're not into it so I don't discuss the details of it with them... But no one's ever avoided me or had a negative opinion or even been like "What!? How can you like THAT?" because of it or anything like that, despite how extreme of a fetish it is and how taboo it feels to me like it would be.

As for bloodplay, I've had a lot of trouble finding people who want me to do scalpel play on them, but I've also found that most of the masochists I'm friends with love to be poked with needles. When I manage to find enough time to go to parties I'll wind up doing 4-5 needle scenes in a row, with each bottom replacing the previous as soon as I throw away the previous pads and set out new ones. They treat these scenes very casually. It's really not as taboo as you think.

It can certainly squick some people, but if there's enough warning, those people simply don't watch the scenes, and I'm still friends with plenty such people.

But if you mention poop, then yeah, you'll totally get some stigma... But it's the only fetish I've ever seen that reaction to, and this has been a consistent fact in all of the kink communities that I've been a part of. It makes me feel bad for the people who're into scat.

I've heard of people having some stigma against ageplayers, but haven't seen it myself, and it seems to be going away as best I can tell as people realize it has nothing to do with children. I would also guess that if someone was really into bestiality or pedophilia that there would be stigma, but I haven't seen or heard of anyone coming out about those in the community, and really, who knows? You'd think a murder related fetish would have that same stigma too, but apparently not based on my own experience. (As long as the person isn't actually killing people, that is.)

The kink communities are, for the most part, very open and tolerant. I know a lot of my examples are a lot darker and a lot more extreme, but that's in part to point out how not-extreme bloodplay is often viewed as. It is still a form of edgeplay though, and as such shouldn't be done without some level of training in it, just like breathplay, electrical play, fire play, and all the other forms of edgeplay.

 

[Username_of_Sean]

I'm very afraid of these problems and want to know if it's even possible to play safely? I'm not wholly ignorant of bloodborne pathogens and exchanges of bodily fluids, being a child of the nineties, I've been educated just enough to be surprised that I have any level of interest at all!

Yes, absolutely! You need the right equipment and the right knowledge to use that equipment properly. You need to know how to set up a sterile environment. You need to know where the major arteries are to avoid them. You need to either get an autoclave or buy sterile one-use items from medical retailers (which you can do online).

You should also get a wire cutter if you do needle play. If you accidentally stick yourself with a needle that is poking out of a bottom, you want to clip the end off before puling it back out... but you should avoid getting your fingers close enough to the needle tips to have this problem.

But find out if you like it or not first. One thing that could help is simply watching someone else's bloodplay scene. Try looking up videos of a few bloodplay scenes. Needle corsets are a common request of masochists I play with, but there are a lot of different kinds of bloodplay scenes. Flesh hooks is on the more extreme end, being something that squicks even a lot of people who're into other bloodplay techniques. Videos are no replacement for trying it out yourself, but they can sometimes help a person who's on the fence about anything decide.

I personally use ethanol to clean with & I think ethanol creates an environment that's plenty sterile enough, but those who disagree with me use betadine, as it's the best for sterility. (It tastes terrible though, has very little shelf life, and I enjoy licking my wife's blood off of her.)

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I could go on and on... Really, what you need is a class or two, not a few forum posts.

 

[song_bird]

You've given me so much to think about that I'm not exactly confident in how to respond. Needles sound unpleasant and feel like a boundary, but scalpels don't? I'm going to proceed extremely carefully. First FetLife and integrating into a safe and accepting community. You mention breath play, which I have done to mixed results in the past. I've found that some partners latch onto ideas and assume that's always what you want. I'm learning from my past relationships and hopefully will be stronger for my experiences. I really appreciate the experience you have and your willingness to share it with me.

 

[song_bird]

Yes, absolutely! You need the right equipment and the right knowledge to use that equipment properly. You need to know how to set up a sterile environment. You need to know where the major arteries are to avoid them. You need to either get an autoclave or buy sterile one-use items from medical retailers (which you can do online).

You should also get a wire cutter if you do needle play. If you accidentally stick yourself with a needle that is poking out of a bottom, you want to clip the end off before puling it back out... but you should avoid getting your fingers close enough to the needle tips to have this problem.

But find out if you like it or not first. One thing that could help is simply watching someone else's bloodplay scene. Try looking up videos of a few bloodplay scenes. Needle corsets are a common request of masochists I play with, but there are a lot of different kinds of bloodplay scenes. Flesh hooks is on the more extreme end, being something that squicks even a lot of people who're into other bloodplay techniques. Videos are no replacement for trying it out yourself, but they can sometimes help a person who's on the fence about anything decide.

I personally use ethanol to clean with & I think ethanol creates an environment that's plenty sterile enough, but those who disagree with me use betadine, as it's the best for sterility. (It tastes terrible though, has very little shelf life, and I enjoy licking my wife's blood off of her.)

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I could go on and on... Really, what you need is a class or two, not a few forum posts.

Thank you for the information and examples though... I'm feeling even more intrigued now. The crazy amount of considerations for safety is an odd and somewhat unexpected turn on! I suppose I do like being protected, so that shouldn't surprise me. Lol. I'll definitely seek out classes!

 

[song_bird]

I don't want to give the impression that I'm just looking for masterbation material. Thank you so much for the thorough advice!!

 

[Username_of_Sean]

I wish you the best of luck! When in doubt, just take things slow. If someone makes an assumption about what you like, simply correct them. I've explained to a lot of people that not all Sadists are Dominant and how I can enjoy causing pain, but not want control or enjoy causing humiliation. If someone assumes you're into something and it turns out that you're not, just do the same and explain that you were just curious, but didn't wind up liking it.

On the "Human Sexmap", they have 4 kinds of pins to place on fetishes. Purple pins are "Curious to try". When you try a thing, the pin can either become green ("Tried and liked") or red ("Tried and didn't like"). Everyone with enough green on their map is going to have some red too... I think most people understand that it's folly to assume that if someone is curious about something, that means that they will definitely enjoy it.

 

[song_bird]

How extreme do things typically get? What is considered mild, moderate, extreme? Understanding of course that all things are situational

 

[song_bird]

I'm distrustful of most porn sites. I'd like to watch some videos, as you recommend. Would you be willing to share a few links that you trust to be virus and malware free?

 

[Username_of_Sean]

How extreme do things typically get? What is considered mild, moderate, extreme? Understanding of course that all things are situational

In my mildest scene? I put two needles into someone's boobs, and she discovered that she has a negative physical response to this. I took them out and cleaned her up after taking out one of my smelling salts packets just in case. (She didn't pass out, so I didn't need it, but she came close...)

In a typical scene I do? I poke a few needles (12-40) in the bottom's flesh, tie some ribbon around them to make a corset or design, take a picture for them, take it all down, and they barely bleed.

My favorite scenes? I put needles under other needles creating raised areas that I press for extra pain (called a "button"). When I finally remove the needles, there's plenty of blood and I lick it off... Or rarely when I use a scalpel to make a small design.

What I wish I could find a bottom for? Suturing a pussy shut... Pushing skewers through both of a woman's breasts (shishkaboobs!)... Creating a "crown" of needles around the head of a penis... Using double-sided flesh hooks to attach one woman's breasts to another's... Creating a design with a scalpel, then having the person put on a plain white shirt to stain the shirt so they'll have that design for their wardrobe... Putting flesh hooks through a person's back and using them to suspend the person... Blood cupping (Using needle pokes with the suction created from fire cupping to pull more blood out)... etc...

 

[Username_of_Sean]

I'm distrustful of most porn sites. I'd like to watch some videos, as you recommend. Would you be willing to share a few links that you trust to be virus and malware free?

Honestly, I'm not sure. I don't really look up porn of the things I do offline... Most porn I look at is drawn porn of things that can't realistically be done. Hopefully someone else will see this thread and find something good for you though.

Sorry about that.

 

[song_bird]

In my mildest scene? I put two needles into someone's boobs, and she discovered that she has a negative physical response to this. I took them out and cleaned her up after taking out one of my smelling salts packets just in case. (She didn't pass out, so I didn't need it, but she came close...)

In a typical scene I do? I poke a few needles (12-40) in the bottom's flesh, tie some ribbon around them to make a corset or design, take a picture for them, take it all down, and they barely bleed.

My favorite scenes? I put needles under other needles creating raised areas that I press for extra pain (called a "button"). When I finally remove the needles, there's plenty of blood and I lick it off... Or rarely when I use a scalpel to make a small design.

What I wish I could find a bottom for? Suturing a pussy shut... Pushing skewers through both of a woman's breasts (shishkaboobs!)... Creating a "crown" of needles around the head of a penis... Using double-sided flesh hooks to attach one woman's breasts to another's... Creating a design with a scalpel, then having the person put on a plain white shirt to stain the shirt so they'll have that design for their wardrobe... Putting flesh hooks through a person's back and using them to suspend the person... Blood cupping (Using needle pokes with the suction created from fire cupping to pull more blood out)... etc...

I think I would like to be marked, to have my skin decorated with scars by an artist. To be introduced to needles would require so much trust... But I think if my partner really wanted it badly enough, I would try. I have dermatillomania and I skin pick compulsively. I wonder if a regulated ritual of play would calm my compulsions or make them worse?

 

[song_bird]

What I wish I could find a bottom for? Suturing a pussy shut..Pushing skewers through both of a woman's breasts (shishkaboobs!)... Creating a "crown" of needles around the head of a penis... Using double-sided flesh hooks to attach one woman's breasts to another's... Creating a design with a scalpel, then having the person put on a plain white shirt to stain the shirt so they'll have that design for their wardrobe... Putting flesh hooks through a person's back and using them to suspend the person... Blood cupping (Using needle pokes with the suction created from fire cupping to pull more blood out)... etc...

Suturing a pussy closed... That sounds incredible. To have the stitches cut and fucked afterward, delicious.

 

[Username_of_Sean]

Citrus will ensure that a cut scars. Lime juice is what I've generally seen used. (It also adds more pain, which is another bonus.)

The suturing can also be done after the sex to hold the cum in. A lot of options.

I'm not a psychologist, so I have no idea if it will help. The wounds might give you something more specific to pick at... Or perhaps you'll feel satisfied that your skin has been opened up enough... I have no idea and no experience with it. I only know what I know, sorry.

 

[song_bird]

Citrus will ensure that a cut scars. Lime juice is what's generally used. (It also adds more pain, which is another bonus.)

The suturing can also be done after the sex to hold the cum in. A lot of options.

I'm not a psychologist, so I have no idea if it will help. The wounds might give you something more specific to pick at... Or perhaps you'll feel satisfied that your skin has been opened up enough... I have no idea and no experience with it. I only know what I know, sorry.

Fair enough. I have a decent relationship with my therapist so I may ask her some questions. I know it's my responsibility to care for this condition, not my partner. It would be very unfair to expect a solution or a 'miracle cure'. The movie Secretary is cute and adorable, but really very topical. I really like the idea of citrus, both for the scarring and for the pain.

 

[Username_of_Sean]

Being a bottom, you might be able to try it at an event designed for trying things. A "tasting" event. These usually have stations with experienced Tops that bottoms could go to to try small samplings of different kinks. This would, of course, require you to trust that whoever's doing the bloodplay station is trustworthy enough... But you could probably watch him do a few other people first and ask lots of questions.