Barry joins his Jew hating jackal buddies at the UN

[water505]

The existing WB settlements represent an intractable problem for both the Palestinians and the Israelis and irritate the rest of the world. There is nothing unreasonable in demanding they at least stop building more.

It's their land.

 

[water505]

He's a bitter little man.

Ishmael

Exactly. He'll go down in history as a petulant loser. It will take a long time to wash out the skid marks he's leaving behind.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I don't understand why Christians feel such close kinship with Jews. Both the nativity Herod and the crucifixion Herod were Jews.

I've never understood the US's (generally) unconditional support of Israel. It's a tiny, insignificant country with no natural resources. Fuck em. Although I did get a very nice blowie from a cuttie in Haifa back in 86

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If Hillary had won the election, no way would he have pulled this stunt.


We said from the get-go that he was a Leftist and his anti-Semitism is now on full display...

 

[hashtag4]

Of course you don't have a clue.
You never really seem to do.

Jackass, Jesus was a Jew...

The ignorance of the religion-hating Left is as stunning as the hatred of the middle class that led to their recent defeat...

Exactly.
They keep "white-knighteing" for radical Islam and "racists and islamophobes hunting" on the board, only because at this moment in time this religion happens to be in opposition with the two things that they hate: Christianity (they're self-haters: atheists who hate their own cultural heritage) and jews (they're aldo racists as in anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe too btw, just as much as islamophobia is. The massmedia just doesn't publish these things).

On the other hand, they cheerlead the genocide in the Middle East, which Obama enabled. Cause they want "to bring peace and democracy to those 3rd world countries who can't think for themselves".

The mentality of the GB libs. often reminds me of Bernard Shaw'. "The Devil's Disciple'. Only that the roles are reversed.

 

[JohnnySavage]

No, it was 1989. The years get away from you after you've seen so many of them.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Exactly.
They keep "white-knighteing" for radical Islam and "racists and islamophobes hunting" on the board, only because at this moment in time this religion happens to be in opposition with the two things that they hate: Christianity (they're self-haters: atheists who hate their own cultural heritage) and jews (they're aldo racists as in anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe too btw, just as much as islamophobia is. The massmedia just doesn't publish these things).

On the other hand, they cheerlead the genocide in the Middle East, which Obama enabled. Cause they want "to bring peace and democracy to those 3rd world countries who can't think for themselves".

The mentality of the GB libs. often reminds me of Bernard Shaw'. "The Devil's Disciple'. Only that the roles are reversed.

It is the extreme compartmentalization of the Liberal that leads to this. The have a set of causes that substitute for a philosophy and in order to maintain a voting block and stay on top, they have to profess a belief in all of the causes even if it means that they are in conflict. Diaspora Jews are good. Jews that return to Israel are Zionists. What about the Holocaust? Well, it was bad, but we'd never do that again, but because you are Zionists, we will look the other way while Islam tries to do it.

Because Islam is Peace and Jews are terrorists!

 

[about_average]

Exactly.
They keep "white-knighteing" for radical Islam and "racists and islamophobes hunting" on the board, only because at this moment in time this religion happens to be in opposition with the two things that they hate: Christianity (they're self-haters: atheists who hate their own cultural heritage) and jews (they're aldo racists as in anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe too btw, just as much as islamophobia is. The massmedia just doesn't publish these things).

On the other hand, they cheerlead the genocide in the Middle East, which Obama enabled. Cause they want "to bring peace and democracy to those 3rd world countries who can't think for themselves".

The mentality of the GB libs. often reminds me of Bernard Shaw'. "The Devil's Disciple'. Only that the roles are reversed.

"Our commitment to democracy is also tested in the Middle East, which is my focus today, and must be a focus of American policy for decades to come."
-- George W. Bush, 6 November 2003

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Israel is a Democracy.



"Palestine" is a thugacracy...

 

[about_average]

It's their land.

Only since the 6 day war. It was given to Palestine in 1923. From the 16th century to 1917 it was part of Syria.

 

[Ishmael]

Unfortunately this is something that any subsequent administration cannot undo. This is a one-way ticket to another shit storm in the mid-east.

I notice that JS is at least honest enough to side with the Arabs in calling for the complete eradication of Israel. Of course he's going to demand that I show where he posted such a sentiment, but I think his quote is sufficient;

I've never understood the US's (generally) unconditional support of Israel. It's a tiny, insignificant country with no natural resources. Fuck em.

What those that are calling for these condemnations of Israel can't quite seem to grasp is that their very survival is at stake. To the Arab mind ALL of Israel is Palestine, and indeed historically that is true. Palestine is NOT a state and never was, it's an area, not unlike the Great Plains or the Rocky Mountains. So the Arab claims to "Palestine" encompass ALL of that area, including Israel.

Then we look at the Hams Covenant/Charter and we find that;

A. There can be NO negotiated settlement, jihad is the only answser. (Article 13)

B. Jihad as a means to restore 'Palestine' to the "Faithful" is a religious obligation of ALL Muslims. (Article 15)

There are those in the West that say, "Well, those are just negotiating stances." Really? 1300 years of dealing with Islam and it appears that these people haven't learned a God damned thing. Those are core tenants of the religion as derived from the Qur'an and the Haddith's. Who among you are insane enough to believe that they're going to negotiate away their religious beliefs?

Then there are the apologists that say, "Well, until 1967 those were Arab lands." Yes they were, and so what? There are consequences to losing wars. Should we, the US, be negotiating with Mexico to return Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and California to the Mexican government? After all until 1836/1848 they WERE Mexican territories! And by extension you could apply that misguided logic to damn near every square inch of land on the face of the earth save Antarctica.

This little spiteful act has done nothing but hasten a new conflict.

Ishmael

 

[water505]

I've never understood the US's (generally) unconditional support of Israel. It's a tiny, insignificant country with no natural resources. Fuck em. Although I did get a very nice blowie from a cuttie in Haifa back in 86

"She" was an Egyptian tranny.

 

[water505]

If Hillary had won the election, no way would he have pulled this stunt.


We said from the get-go that he was a Leftist and his anti-Semitism is now on full display...

If it looks like a duck...

 

[water505]

Only since the 6 day war. It was given to Palestine in 1923. From the 16th century to 1917 it was part of Syria.

As I said it's their land.

 

[hashtag4]

I'm obviously a dilettante here, and many thanks to those who treated me with respect despite that and answered my questions instead of ignoring me or the "GFY, moron" (this discourse being my "Happy Hollidays" wish to you all).

But I read all the posts and as informative and multifaceted as they are, none of them answered the question:
"Why now?"

The OP kindof highlighted that in a tongue amd cheek way. But of course there's more to it.
So why now, after 8 long years?

 

[Ishmael]

I'm obviously a dilettante here, and many thanks to those who treated me with respect despite that and answered my questions instead of ignoring me or the "GFY, moron" (this discourse being my "Happy Hollidays" wish to you all).

But I read all the posts and as informative and multifaceted as they are, none of them answered the question:
"Why now?"

The OP kindof highlighted that in a tongue amd cheek way. But of course there's more to it.
So why now, after 8 long years?

AJ answered you. Obama is a lame duck and the elections are over.

Ishmael

 

[water505]

During Barry's disastrous eight year regime his party has lost around 900 legislative seats. His latest bonehead move will only serve to flush Democrats further down into the sewer.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Humans have been fighting over that scrap of sand for all of recorded history. They will be fighting over it long after everyone posting in this thread has turned to dust.

You'd think the God would just take a moment and tell everyone who he wants to have it.


And Ish, JS isn't siding with anyone. That's kinda implied in my Fuck em statement that you so kindly bolded. Isn't it? If not I'll be clearer for you: Fuck em ALL.

There's absolutely nothing there worth fighting over, except for the competing fairy tales of gods and prophets, and if that's your basis of giving up your life and the life of your children, you don't deserve that life.

 

[Aglaopheme]

I don't understand why Christians feel such close kinship with Jews. Both the nativity Herod and the crucifixion Herod were Jews.

They need them in Israel, suffering and being invaded for the second coming.

 

[hashtag4]

There's absolutely nothing there worth fighting over, except for the competing fairy tales of gods and prophets, and if that's your basis of giving up your life and the life of your children, you don't deserve that life.

I understand that this is just a rant, but still taking advantage of it:

I don't think that any american president viewed things in that way, or that they hold as much power as people credit them with.
They're not idealists, neither do they care two shits about Israel or jews or palestinians. . They only supported this idea of Israel and the WB settlements that came with it, because those with a lot of international power and deep pockets did.

He didn't have the balls to admit how he really felt until he was almost out of office.
Mr. Transparency.

AJ answered you. Obama is a lame duck and the elections are over.

Which brings me back to my prior question: WHY NOW ?
I doubt that any president (who in the context of the last decades is more of a figurehead for international corporations and other powerbrokers) would hold that much power to act on a whim, because they just felt like it or they finally acquired the guts to do it.

 

[Ishmael]

Which brings me back to my prior question: WHY NOW ?
I doubt that any president (who in the context of the last decades is more of a figurehead for international corporations and other powerbrokers) would hold that much power to act on a whim, because they just felt like it or they finally acquired the guts to do it.

OK, I'll spell it out for you.

What he did is very politically unfavorable and would have effected the elections, including his own in 2012, had he taken the step earlier. More than a few Blue and Battleground states have large Jewish and pro Israeli populations.

By pulling this off now he gets to do what he's always wanted to do and no matter who was elected they could blame him while (especially had Hillary won) claiming they were always against it. From his perspective and desires now is the perfect time. And the fact that it came up now in the UN is no coincidence either.

Ishmael

 

[Adre]

Most of the civilized world condemns the settlements, as the vote shows.

 

[about_average]

Then there are the apologists that say, "Well, until 1967 those were Arab lands." Yes they were, and so what? There are consequences to losing wars. Should we, the US, be negotiating with Mexico to return Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and California to the Mexican government? After all until 1836/1848 they WERE Mexican territories! And by extension you could apply that misguided logic to damn near every square inch of land on the face of the earth save Antarctica.

You mean possessions like?
Liberia
Philippines
Parts of Japan
Parts of Honduras
Part Panama
Part of Nicaragua
Dominican Republic
Haiti
Parts of Kiribati
Part of New Zealand

Shall I go on?

As I said it's their land.

And if it changes hands again, it won't be. What's your point?

I'm obviously a dilettante here, and many thanks to those who treated me with respect despite that and answered my questions instead of ignoring me or the "GFY, moron" (this discourse being my "Happy Hollidays" wish to you all).

But I read all the posts and as informative and multifaceted as they are, none of them answered the question:
"Why now?"

The OP kindof highlighted that in a tongue amd cheek way. But of course there's more to it.
So why now, after 8 long years?

Because that's when the vote took place. In spite of Trump's attempts to negotiate on behalf of the US.

OK, I'll spell it out for you.

What he did is very politically unfavorable and would have effected the elections, including his own in 2012, had he taken the step earlier. More than a few Blue and Battleground states have large Jewish and pro Israeli populations.

By pulling this off now he gets to do what he's always wanted to do and no matter who was elected they could blame him while (especially had Hillary won) claiming they were always against it. From his perspective and desires now is the perfect time. And the fact that it came up now in the UN is no coincidence either.

Ishmael

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have caused any elections. They were all pretty much already scheduled.

 

[Disgustipated]

During Barry's disastrous eight year regime his party has lost around 900 legislative seats. His latest bonehead move will only serve to flush Democrats further down into the sewer.

Why did you let Obama ruin your already pathetic life? You whine like he bulldozed your Section 8 hovel, fucked your daughter, and killed your dog.

Again.

 

[hashtag4]

Thanks for the clarifications, aboutaverage and Ish.

Btw
look who just logged in! The clueless donkey lol