Is Obama morally responsible for everyone killed or maimed in the Syrian War?

[renard_ruse]

They didn't like it when I said that on Facebook I guess.

I think its a valid question. If the US hadn't encouraged the initial uprising and continued to fund and support the rebels/terrorists for the last 6 years, none of this would have happened.

Who else can be blamed? Who else is responsible?

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

You're totally ignoring the death and carnage which constituted the uprising against Assad, the Syrian civil war, before any outsiders started aggressively becoming involved. Assad and the people of Syria are wholly responsible for that.

And yes, Obama must be fully held accountable for the horrid part the United States has played in this Syria tragedy, as must Putin and Russia, Muslim Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Saudi Arabia and most of the other Muslim Arab nations.

But none of them will be, so your pondering is completely moot. As is, by this perfect example, the UN, as anarchy once more proves more powerful than pretended, utopian collectivism.

 

[patient1]

Not Obama's fault, because he got the Nobel Peace Prize for Potential.

Everybody should have stayed out of it. Prolonging the fight increased the carnage.

 

[Conager]

You're totally ignoring the death and carnage which constituted the uprising against Assad, the Syrian civil war, before any outsiders started aggressively becoming involved. Assad and the people of Syria are wholly responsible for that.

And yes, Obama must be fully held accountable for the horrid part the United States has played in this Syria tragedy, as must Putin and Russia, Muslim Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Saudi Arabia and most of the other Muslim Arab nations.

But none of them will be, so your pondering is completely moot. As is, by this perfect example, the UN, as anarchy once more proves more powerful than pretended, utopian collectivism.

Agrred, with the caveat that more likely than not, the US was more involved than we will ever admit with the inception of the uprising. Whether we armed them ourselves or simply looked the other way as they help themselves, we were probably complicit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No. Not every.



His big sin was declaring a red line and then backing down making Putin the hero of the day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBJey2dkiAI

 

[Noor]

No, if anyone is responsible it is Congress and the American people for voting the bastards in and allowing them to stay in.
If Obama is to blame so are the Arab spring demonstrators, everyone who back the destruction of Iraq and now Libya and anyone else who helped the current destabilization of the near east.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, if anyone is responsible it is Congress and the American people for voting the bastards in and allowing them to stay in.
If Obama is to blame so are the Arab spring demonstrators, everyone who back the destruction of Iraq and now Libya and anyone else who helped the current destabilization of the near east.

Sorry, but that was Obama and the harpies babe...

The women he surrounded himself with were passive-aggressive Hawks.

 

[phrodeau]

Yes, of course everything that happens overseas is the fault of the US. Every other nation on earth either kisses US ass or tries to kick it. We're that important.

But once Trump is President, the US is going into isolation and won't be bothering with any other nation ever again.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Fro-DOH! is insane...


First he's going to be colluding with Russia, starting a war with China and after all of that I guess, he's going to become a fucking turtle.

 

[Noor]

Sorry, but that was Obama and the harpies babe...

The women he surrounded himself with were passive-aggressive Hawks.

Iraq definitely predates Obama by at least 1\2 a decade, Toots.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Iraq definitely predates Obama by at least 1\2 a decade, Toots.

http://www.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Game-of-Thrones-1.gif

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http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/394/3946872/2829959-8015380047-King-.gif

Drag him, sis.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Iraq definitely predates Obama by at least 1\2 a decade, Toots.

Egypt and the Brotherhood was his, he owns it.

Libya is his and he owns it.

Iraq was won and he decided, fuck that, so he owns it and the aftermath, some of which reached our shores. I know one person who would agree with me. See it through his eyes...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Why did we do nothing in Syria? Perhaps for the same reason we did nothing to prevent Russia's invasion of Ukraine – the Iran deal. Obama, who once promised Russia's President Medvedev more "flexibility" after Obama's re-election, didn't want to offend Putin. He needed Russia's help in securing the Iran deal. Taking out Assad would have offended Tehran. So Obama and Clinton sacrificed both Ukraine and Syria to get the Iran deal and put $150 billion in the hands of Iran, a state sponsor of terror and a mass murderer of U.S. troops in both Lebanon and Iraq."

Daniel John Sobieski

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/12/aleppos_blood_on_obamas_hands.html#ixzz4THlNQQ4t

 

[KingOrfeo]

Agrred, with the caveat that more likely than not, the US was more involved than we will ever admit with the inception of the uprising.

And you know that how?

 

[Fagin]

The short answer is "No".

The long answer still is a "no".

 

[hashtag4]

Renard gave us the other day a link to one of Assad's interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgl6qb8Z_

I was more interested in the other -excellent- points made by Assad and far less by his take on the role played by the US in this conflict.
Nevertheless, I was struck by the blunt manner in which he decided to express his views re the US.





Here are my captions from that part of the interview:

"REPORTER
President Obama has lifted a ban on arming some Syrian rebels just recently. What impact do you think it could have on the situation on the ground?
ASSAD
He may have lifted it before, but he announced it for political legitimacy, let's say.
Second point; the timing of the announcement coincides with the timing of the attacks of Palmira.

But the question is: where are these arms going to? In the arms of hands of Isis and Al Mussa; there's coordination between isis and Al Moussra. So the announcement of this lifting of this embargo is related directly on the attack on Palmyra, and to the support of other terrorists outside of Aleppo. Because when they are defeated in Aleppo, the US need to support their proxies Somewhere else, because they don't have the interest in solving the conflicts in Syria.
So the goal of that announcement is to create more chaos. Because the US create chaos in order to manage this chaos, and when they manage this chaos, they wanted to use the different factors in that chaos in order to exploit the different parties of the conflict, whether they are internal parties or external parties.

REPORTER:
The humanitarian situation in Syria. We hear from the EU foreign poling chief that EU is the only entity to deliver humanitarian aid to Syria. is that true?
ASSAD:
Actually, all the aid that they sent was towards the terrorists. To be very blunt and transparent, they never cared about a single syrian human life. We have so many cities in Syria surrounded by and besieged by and surrondd by terrorists. They prevented anything from reaching them:food, water, anything. All the basic needs of life. On the other hand they attack them on the daily basis and try to kill them."

 

[hashtag4]

I just saw that the link expired. Here's another one:
Assad: West is telling Russia that Syrian Army went too far in defeating terrorists (FULL INTERVIEW)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9klSm1bGO2M

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh no!! Not DEAR LEADER!!!

Obama can't be held responsible for ANYTHING that he was directly involved in and largely in control of.




It's all Bush's fault!!

LMFAO.

 

[Conager]

And you know that how?

I said that I know? You are welcome to opine that it is LESS than likely that the arms that went unaccounted for in Libya ended up in Syria or that we did not knos they were going that direction and/or help facilitate the arms going that direction, but your opinion on that would have no more weight than mine.

Evidently, they don't teach rhetorical argument in law school anymore.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And you know that how?

Follow the money.

Sure, that is not always an accurate trail/indicator or whatever you want to call it...

But the other 99% of the time it's pretty accurate.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

Not contesting that Obama wasn't covertly a match to the volatile, civil uprising against Assad eventually (as Obama was an instigator of the infamous Arab Spring generally), but Syria's civil war began while Gaddafi was still in power, so no meaningful arms were leaking from Libya into Syria at that time. I do fully acknowledge that after the UN-recognized leader of Libya was easily liquidated , again thanks a lot to Obama, a lot of Libya's mightiest arms began flowing to not only al Qaeda and its affiliates, but they also heavily seeded Daesh's almost instantaneous, formidable weapons buildup.

Instigators need always share in the blame no doubt, but never any more so than actual participants.

 

[toubab]

Today's murder in Ankara of the Russian ambassador to Turkey is potentially a powder keg. Let's hope it doesn't go off.

 

[toubab]

The assassin preaches

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0DfJYUXEAA2o7s.jpg

 

[KingOrfeo]

I said that I know? You are welcome to opine that it is LESS than likely that the arms that went unaccounted for in Libya ended up in Syria or that we did not knos they were going that direction and/or help facilitate the arms going that direction, but your opinion on that would have no more weight than mine.

Evidently, they don't teach rhetorical argument in law school anymore.

Put another way, then, what makes you think so?

 

[Conager]

Put another way, then, what makes you think so?

Put another way, I reject ypur gratuitous refutation.