It is your business

[pollynova]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...er-after-death-16-year-old-daughter/95139632/

There were warning signs everywhere. Everyone in the neighborhood knew. But no one did anything. Why not?

 

[pollynova]

I am so mad right now I can't even think. What is wrong with people? First, the parents. I hope they burn in hell. And the neighbors. Why didn't they call the police or something? "Oh, I don't want to get involved." Well, not a young girl is DEAD because you didn't want to get involved. I hope it eats at these people for the rest of their life.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

More satisfying information (at least to me) can be found in this article:

Neighbor: Iowa agency never followed up on complaint of starving child
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ollowed-up-complaint-starving-child/95146664/

It's so disserving that so many newspapers today have become mostly subjective tale-tellers instead of reporting stone-cold news. I don't want to read how everyone and their sister feels about what went down: I just want the reporter to tell me factually what went down.

 

[pollynova]

More satisfying information (at least to me) can be found in this article:

Neighbor: Iowa agency never followed up on complaint of starving child
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ollowed-up-complaint-starving-child/95146664/

It's so disserving that so many newspapers today have become mostly subjective tale-tellers instead of reporting stone-cold news. I don't want to read how everyone and their sister feels about what went down: I just want the reporter to tell me factually what went down.

WHAT THE HELL????????

What the fuck is wrong with the world?????

Police reports show that the same day they were called, West Des Moines police contacted the Iowa Department of Human Services and notified worker Lauren Templeman.

Police never faxed their report to Templeman because she did not know a fax number. But abuse reports can be made over the phone or by fax, said Amy Lorentzen McCoy, a spokesperson for the agency.

Fuck you, police! "We didn't know the fax number." How about you goddamn figure it out! She is dead because you were to lazy to find out a fax number. Or, how about this? A girl is being abused and begging for food. How about you drive over to her house and see what is going on????? Is that so hard?????

Gordon said — and police reports confirm — that officers Matthew Granzow and Barry Graham went to Natalie's house May 31 to check on her welfare. Granzow said he saw someone peeking out the window of the house, but no one answered when they knocked multiple times.

Earlier in the day, another officer reported coming across two children who appeared homeless near 14th Street and Grand Avenue in West Des Moines. He didn’t know if they might have been the children who lived at the Finns' home at 805 15th St.

You have reports of children starving and all you do is knock on the door?????

And you see what look like homeless children, but you do nothing about it??????

I hope these are the next cops to get shot. They deserve it. They could have stopped this all!!!

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I am so mad right now I can't even think. What is wrong with people? First, the parents. I hope they burn in hell. And the neighbors. Why didn't they call the police or something? "Oh, I don't want to get involved." Well, not a young girl is DEAD because you didn't want to get involved. I hope it eats at these people for the rest of their life.

Take a deep breath. This is one of those tragedies that is typically clearer with the benefit of hindsight.

I find it hard to fault the neighbors. The fact that the girl was obviously being mistreated does not mean that she was necessarily being criminally mistreated to the point of justifying law enforcement intervention before the fact.

Besides, as the article makes clear, social services WAS notified and dropped the ball. Little more than that could have been done.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

Maybe it was someone else, but aren't you the person who was going to teach Catholic Sunday school or something like that for your church?

 

[pollynova]

Maybe it was someone else, but aren't you the person who was going to teach Catholic Sunday school or something like that for your church?

I used to be a helper at CCD.

 

[oggbashan]

Press reporting of child neglect/child abuse is rarely accurate or comprehensive in the UK.

When the serious case review report is finally published there is usually a long list of people who have raised concerns about the situation but the reports have been treated minimally or just not acted on.

If a neighbour has a suspicion that a child is neglected or abused they virtually have to start a sustained campaign to get their concerns registered. A single phone call, email or letter isn't enough although many people think it is. Social workers, the Police and other agencies just don't have enough resources to follow up every slight expression of concern. If at first sight the parents seem caring? No action would be taken.

"It's not my business" is NOT the usual response, but going from expressing concern to the authorities to constantly kicking the authorities to act is a step too far for many.

Social workers in the UK are in a Lose/Lose situation most of the time. If they remove a child from its parents they are criticised; if they don't and the child is abused or even killed they are criticised. Social workers don't kill children. Usually the parents do, and have been lying to the authorities for years.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

And you really "hope these are the next cops to get shot" because "They deserve it."?

 

[pollynova]

And you really "hope these are the next cops to get shot" because "They deserve it."?

Yes I do. I know that's bad of me, and not very Christian, but I don't care. A child is dead because they didn't do anything.

 

[oggbashan]

Yes I do. I know that's bad of me, and not very Christian, but I don't care. A child is dead because they didn't do anything.

No. A child is dead because of its parents' actions.

The police and other agencies don't kill children. They TRY to stop children being killed but they can't succeed every time.

 

[hobbit.]

Press reporting of child neglect/child abuse is rarely accurate or comprehensive in the UK.

When the serious case review report is finally published there is usually a long list of people who have raised concerns about the situation but the reports have been treated minimally or just not acted on.

If a neighbour has a suspicion that a child is neglected or abused they virtually have to start a sustained campaign to get their concerns registered. A single phone call, email or letter isn't enough although many people think it is. Social workers, the Police and other agencies just don't have enough resources to follow up every slight expression of concern. If at first sight the parents seem caring? No action would be taken.

"It's not my business" is NOT the usual response, but going from expressing concern to the authorities to constantly kicking the authorities to act is a step too far for many.

Social workers in the UK are in a Lose/Lose situation most of the time. If they remove a child from its parents they are criticised; if they don't and the child is abused or even killed they are criticised. Social workers don't kill children. Usually the parents do, and have been lying to the authorities for years.

probably a few foriegn fuck ups in the mix aswell. bring on brexit when being foriegn will be illegal and grounds to deport. CUNTS!

"Social workers don't kill children. Usually the parents do," insight!!!!

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

No, this child is dead because her parents evidently didn't care for her healthy welfare.

You do understand that there are scores of kids right now in your own neighborhood whose welfare is being neglected just the same, don't you?

What are you doing about that?

 

[RoryN]

I find it hard to fault the neighbors. The fact that the girl was obviously being mistreated does not mean that she was necessarily being criminally mistreated to the point of justifying law enforcement intervention before the fact.

Translation: everyone minding their own business is more important than a child dying.

 

[oggbashan]

Translation: everyone minding their own business is more important than a child dying.

Do you know how many reports of neglected children are made to police forces every day?

If the parents cover up the neglect, neighbours' concerns will be ignored because there are just too many reports that lead nowhere. The single report that really matters is buried in a load of other reports that are not serious.

 

[oggbashan]

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"Social workers don't kill children. Usually the parents do," insight!!!!

It might seem to be a statement of the bleeding obvious, but the media hound social workers for deaths that were caused by the child's parents.

We can't protect every child from parents who are incompetent, drunk, drugged or just irresponsible. Apart from the numbers involved the public wouldn't support that invasion of family privacy.

 

[RoryN]

Do you know how many reports of neglected children are made to police forces every day?

Yes, and:

*They need to be investigated; it's their job
*This didn't happen in NYC

Whereas your logic is unfortunately what keeps many people from reporting real abuse, because they don't think anyone will respond.

 

[hobbit.]

It might seem to be a statement of the bleeding obvious, but the media hound social workers for deaths that were caused by the child's parents.

We can't protect every child from parents who are incompetent, drunk, drugged or just irresponsible. Apart from the numbers involved the public wouldn't support that invasion of family privacy.

surely by your logic we could just deport the bastards?

 

[oggbashan]

Yes, and:

*They need to be investigated; it's their job
*This didn't happen in NYC

Whereas your logic is unfortunately what keeps many people from reporting real abuse, because they don't think anyone will respond.

No. Read my post #8 above. If you are a concerned neighbour you have to keep reporting with chapter and verse, times and incidents.

A single phone call is NOT enough. Unfortunately people think it is and that 'they will do something'. The authorities NEED evidence.

 

[oggbashan]

surely by your logic we could just deport the bastards?

And if they are home grown British arseholes? What then?

 

[hobbit.]

And if they are home grown British arseholes? What then?

Wales has a lot of empty space.
have a good Christmas comrade.

 

[oggbashan]

Wales has a lot of empty space.
have a good Christmas comrade.

South Georgia would be a better destination. Nice and cold.

Happy Christmas to you too.

 

[hobbit.]

South Georgia would be a better destination. Nice and cold.

Happy Christmas to you too.

penguins are innocent!

right im off.

have a good 'un one and all,

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Translation: everyone minding their own business is more important than a child dying.

Oh, fuck off! The neighbors alerted authorities and the authorities dropped the ball. Read the fucking links, dip shit! What else do you want them to do?

 

[pollynova]

No, this child is dead because her parents evidently didn't care for her healthy welfare.

You do understand that there are scores of kids right now in your own neighborhood whose welfare is being neglected just the same, don't you?

What are you doing about that?

If I knew about a child being mistreated and abused, I would do everything I could.